Why the Gap Theory is unacceptable

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Joseppi

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Okay so this still doesn't explain what light He created there. It isn't the light of the sun, so what light is it?
Its the e=mc2 kind.
Which all matter is endowed with.
Have you not seen it released in atomic explosions.

And physical things such as physical light are temporal and can only be only analogous and/or metaphorically related to the unseen eternal truth of God.

All earth wherever found in the universe is endowed with light.

The new Webb telescope planned for this year is designed to see the heat radiating out of all matter. Which by the way the scientist have not at all predicted what it will reveal. That’s because they are always wrong and dumbfounded when they collect the true data and have to regurgitate a new story of the past they have never known anything about since their basic premises are false and must rely on a “no body did anything” believe system.

Light warmed the earth before God, clumped earth into stars and galaxies etc.
 

trofimus

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The millions and billions argument is another lie.

The convenient argument of millions and billions of kinds, and eons of time is a scientific loser argument. It admits by its very construction that every excuse is needed to even pretend science is related to the satanic Darwinian philosophy.

You folks believe nonsense because you love it rather that the unyielding, you’re not as gifted, nor smart as you think, brutal truth of God.

Go write a book and pretend it’s a Bible and ya da ya da ya da.
But no, you want to attack God’s holy scriptures while pretending sincerity and whatnot.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim to be intellectual wits and then stupidly adhere to nonsense without being seen as blind followers of some cultic mindset.
I am not sure what you are trying to say. How many kinds do you want to be here?
 

Joseppi

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And speaking of separations, God does not call a few things good. These few things are separations. I don't think He views separations as good, but as necessary for some reason at this point in Genesis...
All teachers are forced to break things down do the ill informed can grow in knowledge and understanding over timee.
 

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Okay so this still doesn't explain what light He created there. It isn't the light of the sun, so what light is it?
This light has been termed "cosmic light", and that should be perfectly OK. What we cannot expect -- given the brevity of the account -- is to obtain answers to every question we might have. That was not God's purpose. Had men written the creation account it would have involved dozens of books providing every kind of detail. But God gave us an overview and that is good enough.
 

Joseppi

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I am not sure what you are trying to say. How many kinds do you want to be here?
How many there are not how many species within kinds exist due to adaption within a kind.

The evolutionists claims to be intelligent but then claims they don’t know what a biblical kind means. They’re are playing word games to cover up the truth that they aren’t using science nor are they in any way bound by the rigor of true science.

A cat is a cat.
The ark might have included a family cat as a pet. But you only need one pair of young cats to produce all forms of cats.
But, the nutty logic of evolutionists will turn around and act like evolution by adaptation within a kind isn’t that profoundly diverse or achieved quickly enough.
They want it both ways because they are lousy storytellers in the first place.

A dog is a dog.
A mammoth is an elephant.
A Neanderthal is a man.

The evolutionist wants children to believe them and so they are sneaky non scientific folk pretending they believe in a philosophy of naturalism, that all scientist must believe, but which no one really lives out because it’s so utterly limiting to knowing anything.
 
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Joseppi

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Still, the text tells us that before God separated light from darkness, they existed together. I cannot even begin to imagine what this would look like because this is something beyond human experience.
It is common and is called the diffusion of light. Light must be filtered to be seperated it into into various kinds for good use.

Like a rainbow only appears when a atmospheric filter is applied.

Take a dark room and let light enter it through a hole to shine on a plate with two holes and light mixed with dark lines appear. That is the two light sources mix and produce darkness.

This what Jesus meant. If a man let in two sources of enlightening words the result will be the worst form of darkness because the lights will resolve into darkness but with enough light to make a confused person think they are enlightened. Who’s gonna change the egotistical mind and heart of a deluded person?
 
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This light has been termed "cosmic light", and that should be perfectly OK. What we cannot expect -- given the brevity of the account -- is to obtain answers to every question we might have. That was not God's purpose. Had men written the creation account it would have involved dozens of books providing every kind of detail. But God gave us an overview and that is good enough.
Its been termed cosmic light by men. To me, john seems to say it is the light through which everything has been created, which is Jesus/the Word/the Lamb/ the Light. :)
 

Joseppi

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Where did the darkness come from?

We should take note that God is light and there is no darkness in Him according to the next verse. Also see 1 Timothy 6:16 and Psalms 104:1-2. Since in the beginning there was only God according to John 1:1, we can safely say there was no darkness at all.

1 John 1:5 “This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”

Since there is no darkness in God, why would He create the earth in darkness? The darkness had to come from a result of sin.

We also see in the Bible that darkness is never a good thing. See Luke 22:53, Acts 26:18, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Ephesians 6:12, Colossians 1:13-14, 1 Thessalonians 5:5 and 1 Peter 2:9.

In Revelation 22:1-5, we see that God will make a new heaven and earth and there will be no darkness at all. In fact, there will be no need for light because God himself will be the light. When God created the earth in Genesis 1:1 it was exactly like the creation in Revelation 22:1-5, full of light and no darkness.
God created darkness as analogous of evil that men suppose is enlightening.

All true science teaches eternal truths while false science blinds men to the truth of God.

The angels dwelt with God in a world of light where they nevertheless, found that God had created place called the deep wherein darkness covered the earth under many waters. Satan failed to think that earth of any value since he walked not by faith in God but by sight.

When we trust God the truth of God becomes apparent and we find there is only one word of God written and not yet written.

Only Christians are so foolish as to think God uses contrary bibles to teach by. But, Satan dumbs down everyone who loves the world or the things it by paying them to believe foolish notions.
 
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Another thought. Before God created the heavens and the earth, it seems there was only one place - heaven/ where God is. He is omnipresent. There would have been no place of darkness and emptiness. I believe the very act of casting Satan from His presence created a place of darkness, or, as the Hebrew words seem to suggest, a howling waste, a thing of vanity, a desert place.

See in genesis the very first place that God pronounced anything to be good.

I've GOT to stop working to sneak in here!
 

Joseppi

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Another two minute break.
I'm not suggesting every instance of light in the bible is Jesus. I'm hearing john say there is a light through which everything was created and believing that light was the first because of how he seems to connect his book to genesis.

I guess you could assume there must be some physical light other than the sun but you are assuming this without scripture. At least my thought on it comes from John instead of a straight assumption. (Whether you see this in John or not, at least I base the thought on scripture.)
Do you think man created light in a dark room with benefit of the sun. But God has to have a sun?
God created the sun for man not man for the sun.
Nothing in the creation account is unscientific.

All matter glows with energy and releases it under required conditions.

Maybe this reminder will help.
The scripture says the elements will melt with fervent heat. That heat source lies within all matter. God can allow it to burn whenever it pleases him to do so. The match was li a long time ago but not allowed to cause out of control conflagrations.

Fire and brimstone destroyed Sodom and Gommorah, yet Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego walked in fire unharmed even untouched by smoke.

What is fire but the release of energy bound in earth’
 

Joseppi

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There are millions of "kinds" of animals in the history of planet. If you do not believe in evolution, you must believe they were all created in 6 days and therefore available to Adam.
You are mistaken as to how numerous the kinds of beasts are.
And Adam wasn’t observing microbes, plants, and insects. But rather beasts of the field.
The evolutionist definition of species is not the definition of kind.
 

LibrarianLeo

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Nothing in the creation account is unscientific.
The process of Science is to create repeatable observations.
So Genesis is not a scientific account.
In a scientific account a process is followed and documented
so that events and observation can be repeated. This allows
for "hostile" re-enactment so that other can repeat an observation
and support or re-evaluate the observations and draw their
own conclusions.

The real process of science - Understanding Science
 

LibrarianLeo

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There are millions of "kinds" of animals in the history of planet. If you do not believe in evolution, you must believe they were all created in 6 days and therefore available to Adam.
"Kind" is not defined the same as "Species" but there are some common aspects.
Kind means parent.
 

Joseppi

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The light shined in the darkness. John specifically uses his words to refer us back to genesis: in the beginning.

In the beginning(of OUR story) was the word. The first words: let there be light, let light shine in this darkness. Two fields of reasoning? Or a battle?
The introduction of the Gospel of John comes before Genesis 1:1.

Darkness has no comrehension.
Dark hearts can comprehend but choose to remain blind or let the light of God’s word in.

The entrance of God’s word giveth light.
 

Joseppi

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So...from your reply I am guessing...symbolism literature would be your answer?

Yikes, getting peeved stares gotta go pizzas gone!
Literature isn’t simple but profoundly complex.
The Holy Bible was settled as one book in heaven before it was ever published by God as a completed book he authored as pleased him.
 

LibrarianLeo

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All teachers are forced to break things down so the ill informed can grow in knowledge and understanding over time.
My wife being a career Special Ed Teacher, would disagree, that is her task.
 

LibrarianLeo

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Literature isn’t simple but profoundly complex.
The Holy Bible was settled as one book in heaven before it was ever published by God as a completed book he authored as pleased him.
The Catholic or later versions?
 
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The phrase, "And the Earth was without form, and void," points to a stupendous convulsion which affected the Earth after it was created by God.

"Without form, and void," in the Hebrew is literally, "tohu" and "bohu," which signify, "wasteness and emptiness." God did not create the Earth in this fashion. It became that way at a point in time. Many Scholars believe that Lucifer ruled the Earth after it was originally created, and did so for an undetermined period of time. As well, during that time, he ruled it in Righteousness and Holiness under God. It also seems there was a race of created beings over whom he ruled. Whenever Lucifer led his rebellion against God, one-third of the Angels, plus this race of beings threw in their lot with him. Many think, and it is probably correct, that these particular beings, whatever they might have been, are the demon spirits which presently help Satan.

Some have claimed that demon spirits are fallen angels; however, angels have spirit-bodies, whereas demon spirits have no body whatsoever, and in fact, seek s body to inhabit, whether animal or human.

I think it should be obvious that whatever degree this revolution of Lucifer was, its destructive power was beyond comprehension. Genesis 2:1

JSM Bible commentary


The SDA teach Jeremiah 4:23-26 is during the millennium. Satan will be confined to this desolate earth with no one to tempt. The SDA teach at Jesus second coming the righteous and the wicked will be separated from each other "as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." The Saints will remain in heaven until the end of the 1000 years. While the wicked (the goats) remain dead until after the 1000 years.

Some scholars believe Jeremiah 4:23-26 is speaking of a pre-Adamic civilization was here on earth of men and cities (some scholars say Angels) only before Adam and Eve...and the earth became without form after the rebellion of Lucifer and one-third of the angels?