Does the Bible claim to be inerrant?
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Luke 1:1-3
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are fulfilled (or accomplished) among us,
The Greek word used is πεπληροφορημένον (accomplished, fulfilled, or completed) not πἐρίστευένων (believed).
While many accounts were published, few were accurate and undistorted.
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and servants of the Word;
servants (ὑπηρέται ) literally under-rowers.) Ones under the command of another.
the Word a reference to the LORD.
These could be the apostles or any other of His regular followers such as the seventy of Luke chapter 10.
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
3 It seemed good to me also, having accurately followed after all things from above, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
having NOT having had This is the perfect active participle NOT the pluperfect!
diligently (or accurately) NOT perfect this is the adverb ἀκριβῶς NOT the adjective τέλειον.
pursued (or followed) NOT understanding this is the verb παρηκολυθηκότι NOT the noun συνέσει.
all things NOT of all things this is the dative NOT the genitive case.
above NOT the very first this is ἄνωθεν not ἀρχῆ.
The accuracy of most of this translation demonstrates that the translators had better scholarship than one would deduce from their rendering of this verse. I believe that this is an example of allowing one’s theology to drive translation. One should rather translate the text as strictly as possible; and allow the unaltered text to drive one’s theology.
Theophilus Friend of God. There is some scholarly disagreement whether the name is intended to apply to all believers, or to an individual. In my opinion the title ‘most excellent’ suggests an individual; but, the content is certainly applicable to and pertinent to all believers
ίφ υοθ αρε γοινγ το ρεσπονδ ατ αλλ, πλεασε ρεσπονδ ηονεστλυ
sorry about that I forgot to change keyboards
If you are going to respond at all, please respond honestly!
What language do you speak? Things which are fulfilled or accomplished is the English present perfect which appropriately translates the Greek perfect passive participle.
Furthermore I have inserted NOTHING. your flawless KJV changed the verb creating an ERROR which you refuse [in your ignorance] to acknowledge.
Furthermore I have inserted NOTHING. your flawless KJV changed the verb creating an ERROR which you refuse [in your ignorance] to acknowledge.
I think you have made corrections to every existing English translation of the Bible with your rendering.
Many have undertaken to compile a narrative about the events that have been fulfilled among us, HCSB
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, NIV
Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, NKJV
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, ESV
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a narration of the things that have been accomplished among us; 1899 Jesuit Bible
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to draw up a narrative concerning those matters which have been fulfilled among us, ASV
Since many have undertaken to set down an orderly account of the events that have been fulfilled among us, NRSV
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, RSV
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, NASB
Many have undertaken to compile a narrative about the events that have been fulfilled among us, HCSB
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, NIV
Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, NKJV
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, ESV
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a narration of the things that have been accomplished among us; 1899 Jesuit Bible
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to draw up a narrative concerning those matters which have been fulfilled among us, ASV
Since many have undertaken to set down an orderly account of the events that have been fulfilled among us, NRSV
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, RSV
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, NASB
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That's playing games and avoiding the obvious. The work that Erasmus, Stephanus, Beza, and the KJV translators were doing was fundamentally identical to what the translators of the 20th-century versions were/are doing: comparing different available sources, trying to determine with God's guidance what the originals said, and translating as best they can. I don't care what it is called, but if you believe that the kind of work that produced the KJV was fundamentally different in nature to that which produced the NIV, NASB, HCSB, ESV, or any other "modern" translation, you need to reconsider your biases.
I neither know nor care. I parsed my reading from the Greek, and did so accurately. Sometimes when I parse the Hebrew none of the translations agree with me and I am still right.
I studied Hebrew 2 hrs per day, 6 days per week from the time I was 4 until I was 13; so I know the language.
I studied Greek in a Summer session 9 weeks 6 hrs / day 5 days / wk; and one full semester; so my Hebrew skills are much stronger.
I studied Hebrew 2 hrs per day, 6 days per week from the time I was 4 until I was 13; so I know the language.
I studied Greek in a Summer session 9 weeks 6 hrs / day 5 days / wk; and one full semester; so my Hebrew skills are much stronger.