WHY DOESN'T GOD HEAL EVERYONE?

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The better question is "who hasn't been healed by God"?
Everyone has at some point "been healed by God" the only question is "in what way" a healing of the heart,or a physical healing?
Each and every one of us has had "healing from God" the problem is that we "don't perceive it" we vainly look for something we can "physically see".
For instance healing can be in the form a friend or a lover or relalife" and God gives what we "need" not merely what we "want".
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I liked this post on a first reading.
On a second reading today, I realized just how good and astute this is that you say here.

My thought has been a bizarre jumble where what others have been accused of is what they themselves have a problem with. What you say here helped bring it together more concretely for me.
 

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Why does not God heal everyone?
Because He has more important reasons. More important than physical health.

He is good and wise, so He always chooses what is best.
 
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Because He has more important reasons. More important than physical health.

He is good and wise, so He always chooses what is best.

no words minced and more truth than be told you don't have enough faith or your faith is not not the right kind or worse, you do not believe
 
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My first copy/paste op.


Joni Eareckson Tada struggled with this issue for a long time. As she recounts in her book
Joni, she sought physical healing of her quadriplegia. She prayed and fully believed that God would heal her. In her words, “I certainly believed. I was calling up my girlfriends saying, ‘Next time you see me I’m going to be running up your sidewalk. God’s going to heal me’” (quoted in an interview with Marvin Olasky,www.worldmag.com/2013/01/joni_eareckson_tada_on_faith_healing_and_marriage, January 17, 2013).

Yet Joni is still in a wheelchair today. Forty-five years after the accident that left her paralyzed, God has still not healed her. Her perspective is one of great faith: “God may remove your suffering, and that will be great cause for praise. But if not, He will use it, He will use anything and everything that stands in the way of His fellowship with you. So let God mold you and make you, transform you from glory to glory. That’s the deeper healing” (quoted on www.gty.org/resources/sermons/TM13-2/a-deeper-healing-joni-eareckson-tada, October 16, 2013). Some feel that God will never heal anyone miraculously today. Others feel that God will always heal a person if he or she has enough faith. But God will not be put into either box.

We need to understand that healings, even in the Bible, are very rare indeed. For the first 2,500 years of biblical history, there is no mention of any healings whatsoever. Then during the life of Abraham we have a possible healing, although it is only implied (Genesis 12:17–20). Then we have to wait until the life of Moses, who performs a number of signs to authenticate his authority as God’s leader. However, the only healing associated with Moses is Miriam’s cleansing from leprosy (Numbers 12:13–15).


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Actually, Joni has been healed, two out of three times.
1. God delivered her from separation from him, death, and hell. The separation from him and hell, are the easy ones to see. Death isn't seeable, because she will die. She really will, as we all will. BUT the thing he healed her from is what happens after that. No more hell in her future. No earth-worm food for her. She will be given new body and spend eternity with the Lord. That is the life we were healed into when he saved us.

2. Breast cancer. Yup, she was the 1 out of 8, and had breast cancer too. Not anymore. The Lord used conventional methods to heal her, but let's face it, when the word "cancer" comes along, conventional methods isn't a rubber stamp guaranteeing healing. And yet, she was.

The one thing he hasn't healed her from yet, (and he will, See #1 for when), quadriplegic.

Given she gets that first one, she has learned how to handle the last one with another of God's healings -- grace.

I believe what Joni believes -- God doesn't always heal us from physical infirmities because he has a very special place for those he won't heal. He knows exactly what we, eventually, grow to know. If we are completely healthy, we're going to give all glory for that health to the wrong one. We're going to hail ourselves on how good we take care of oursevles, and we aren't the ones taking good care of ourselves. He's taking care of us. So, this chronic pain in my waist, this deteriorating back I have, and these stupid hand tremors that are becoming more and more pronounced don't matter quite as much as God "forcing me" to stick close to him for strength. All in all, as much as I long for a morning when it doesn't feel like I lifted a house yesterday, I'd rather be close enough to the Lord to smell him, feel him, see him, etc., then wake up just one more morning and bounce out of bed.

(Hm, that didn't come out right. I never bounced out of bed, even when I could. lol)

My falling-apart body is but a short leash God has given me, because he knows how easily I stray away without it.

I think, quite often, that IS why most of his kids aren't physically healed.



Good story about Joni. One of the many things she tried to get healed was going to a Kathyrn Kohlman faith healing service. (Kathryn Kohlman was the one who taught Benny Hinn.) Joni was really excited because there was a special section for people in wheelchairs, so she knew this was the day the Lord would heal her. Lots of spotlights. And quite a few of them were aimed at people in wheelchairs. Fortunately for Joni, (because who wants a bright spotlight aimed at you for that long), she was in the shadows.

Kathryn did go into the wheelchair section, and every single person in the spotlights were "healed."

Joni was devastated. She lost it after that. Really couldn't figure out what God was doing to her. But, as depressed as she was, she kept reading the Bible. At one point she read that Jesus was traveling and healing people but made a turn. His disciples told him the sick people were the other way, but he said he had to go that way.

THAT was the moment Joni needed. She learned that the Lord's way isn't always toward the sick. He HAS to go but one way. And that's when she knew God did love her and was doing all of this for her and for all his people.

Sad that a conwoman took her trust away, but the Lord brought her back.

And because of her, he brought me back too.
 
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Actually, Joni has been healed, two out of three times.
1. God delivered her from separation from him, death, and hell. The separation from him and hell, are the easy ones to see. Death isn't seeable, because she will die. She really will, as we all will. BUT the thing he healed her from is what happens after that. No more hell in her future. No earth-worm food for her. She will be given new body and spend eternity with the Lord. That is the life we were healed into when he saved us.

2. Breast cancer. Yup, she was the 1 out of 8, and had breast cancer too. Not anymore. The Lord used conventional methods to heal her, but let's face it, when the word "cancer" comes along, conventional methods isn't a rubber stamp guaranteeing healing. And yet, she was.

The one thing he hasn't healed her from yet, (and he will, See #1 for when), quadriplegic.

Given she gets that first one, she has learned how to handle the last one with another of God's healings -- grace.

I believe what Joni believes -- God doesn't always heal us from physical infirmities because he has a very special place for those he won't heal. He knows exactly what we, eventually, grow to know. If we are completely healthy, we're going to give all glory for that health to the wrong one. We're going to hail ourselves on how good we take care of oursevles, and we aren't the ones taking good care of ourselves. He's taking care of us. So, this chronic pain in my waist, this deteriorating back I have, and these stupid hand tremors that are becoming more and more pronounced don't matter quite as much as God "forcing me" to stick close to him for strength. All in all, as much as I long for a morning when it doesn't feel like I lifted a house yesterday, I'd rather be close enough to the Lord to smell him, feel him, see him, etc., then wake up just one more morning and bounce out of bed.

(Hm, that didn't come out right. I never bounced out of bed, even when I could. lol)

My falling-apart body is but a short leash God has given me, because he knows how easily I stray away without it.

I think, quite often, that IS why most of his kids aren't physically healed.



Good story about Joni. One of the many things she tried to get healed was going to a Kathyrn Kohlman faith healing service. (Kathryn Kohlman was the one who taught Benny Hinn.) Joni was really excited because there was a special section for people in wheelchairs, so she knew this was the day the Lord would heal her. Lots of spotlights. And quite a few of them were aimed at people in wheelchairs. Fortunately for Joni, (because who wants a bright spotlight aimed at you for that long), she was in the shadows.

Kathryn did go into the wheelchair section, and every single person in the spotlights were "healed."

Joni was devastated. She lost it after that. Really couldn't figure out what God was doing to her. But, as depressed as she was, she kept reading the Bible. At one point she read that Jesus was traveling and healing people but made a turn. His disciples told him the sick people were the other way, but he said he had to go that way.

THAT was the moment Joni needed. She learned that the Lord's way isn't always toward the sick. He HAS to go but one way. And that's when she knew God did love her and was doing all of this for her and for all his people.

Sad that a conwoman took her trust away, but the Lord brought her back.

And because of her, he brought me back too.
I read her story many years ago and was in awe of her struggle

when I said this is my first copy/paste...I was referring, of course, to the myriad copy/pastes about WOF

you prob knew that tho

Joni's life is far and above any momentary healing

she continues to witness of real faith in God...trusting even when we do not understand

her journey is an example to the world

prob spot on comments with regards to why most are not healed

good post lynn!
 
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If God doesn't heal everyone, does that mean that I can't believe God will heal me? If I believe God will heal me, I must have a basis for this belief. Am I not allowed to believe that God will heal me? Must I only hope for healing, or has God given us something more substantial to believe in? If healing isn't a promise or a guarantee, what hope do I have? God's mercy? So then God has shown that He is merciful to our weaknesses? Is this then not a promise found in His nature (Jehovah Rapha, anyone?)?

These are all things to ponder when this topic comes up.
I believed the Eagles would win the Super Bowl for 37 out of the last 38 years I was a fan. Did they win the Super Bowl because I believed it? Was there a base for it? Was I not allowed to believe it?

And what does that have to do with reality?
(You know. This worked so much better before February 4, 2018. lol)

Yeah, no problem with you believing God will heal you. Just don't make it God's promise to heal you. God is merciful. Does that have to be proven by your healing or the Eagles winning the Super Bowl? It's already proven, and all the belief, or hope, or whatever we have doesn't change him.
 
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There are three possibilities from what I can see, there may well be more, or maybe
it’s a combination of all of the possibilities.

Possibility One

Saw a great video the other week, it might have even been on here I can’t remember
if it was here or Facebook.

But it was a relative of Benny Hinn who was brought up in the whole, “whip everyone
up into a spiritual frenzy, colour, songs, praise God” thingy etc before healings could occur as
people don’t have enough faith so got to get them in the right place spiritually etc.

He was fully into all that, then he was challenged as to why he believed all that. So he started
reading the bible.

He came across the story of the blind man who was healed by Jesus. Would he have known
it was Jesus, he couldn’t see Jesus, he couldn’t see others who had been healed for himself.
In fact when he left Jesus he was still blind, so he didn’t even see Jesus when his sight was
restored. He did not need to pray sing for hours etc. Yet he was healed and without even
seeing Jesus.


John 9:6-7 NKJV
[6] When He had said these things, He spat on the ground and made clay with
the saliva; and He anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay. [7] And
He said to him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam" (which is translated, Sent).
So he went and washed, and came back seeing.



Then the story of the lame man at the temple who met
Peter and John, he didn’t even expect healing, he was wanting
money. So how could he have had faith for healing when he wasn’t asking for
healing. Yet he was healed.

Acts 3:2-6 NKJV
[2] And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they
laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms from
those who entered the temple; [3] who, seeing Peter and John about to go
into the temple, asked for alms. [4] And fixing his eyes on him, with John,
Peter said, "Look at us." [5] So he gave them his attention, expecting to
receive something from them. [6] Then Peter said, "Silver and gold I do
not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth,
rise up and walk."





Anyway this relative of Benny Hinn felt that if there was such a thing as faith
healing, then the faith was needed by the healer! Not the person being healed, he
left the Benny Hinn family whip um up a in frenzy as he felt it was all wrong.

Plus why in the Bible are sick people told to ask deacons, elders, leaders to pray
for them. Presumably because such people should have enough knowledge, faith,
Wisdom to heal people. Yet time and time again we are led to believe by the WOF
movement that it’s the sick people who don’t have enough faith. If faith healing
exists then if anything it’s the people who claim to be faith healers, elders,
pastors etc who don’t have enough faith! Yet they put the lack of faith onto sick
people. In theory if WOF works, then all the people who believe in this should
be praying for sick people and as the WOFers have sufficient faith then people
should be healed.



Possibility two

God does heal but not everyone and not all of the time, sometimes instant.
sometimes, not for years. Why because He is God and we are not.

Ive experienced this myself. I once had a boney nodule on my hand at the
base of my finger, the beginnings of arthritis or something. It was affecting my
ability to play my saxophone in the worship team. I felt God was telling me to
pray for healing so I did, then thought nothing more about it. A week later I
realised it was gone. It wasn’t about faith I hadn’t a specific urge to pray about it.
Didn’t know if it would work or not. This could also come under the third possibility.

I had Graves’ disease for 3.5 years I prayed all the time about that. Not specific urges
to pray just a general thing. Then I had a dream that I was told it was coming to an end.
The next hospital visit I was told my bloods were the most stable they had been for 3.5
years and from that point it was gradually healed. It was still God I believe.

Yet I also had a secondary problem to the Graves’ disease, which I haven’t been
healed from. Don’t know why. Fortunately it’s no big deal and it means I get
freebies prescriptions, so in some ways it beneficial.

My aunt was saved from death in 2015, she should have died by all accounts.
She lived, it’s a long miraculous story, but still has various medical issues.
We have learnt a lot together since that time, patience, understanding, love etc.
If she had none of these, things would not have been learnt, maybe we need to be sick
to grow in our walk with God, and grow in fruit and character.




Possibility three


Healings are there to bring glory to God not pander to our whims.

So the blind man who Jesus healed, people asked who sinned him or his parents.
Jesus said none of them it was to bring glory to God.

Job was afflicted, it was a test, he overcame and was healed and in doing so,
brought glory to God.

I know of people who have been healed and have been able to do great things for
God afterwards.

I know of unsaved people who have been healed and as a result, they turned to Christ.
(also falls into possibility one).

Maybe we ask for healing with wrong motives, or maybe there is actually more to
be gained by being sick!

To give an example a lady I know was in a bad car crash, she was paralysed from neck
down. Everyone prayed for her, she got feeling back in her arms and upper body but
was still paralysed from waist down for years. She was so frustrated and became depressed.
But then she turned to God and continued to serve him. During that time she changed as
a person grow as a Christian and began to find opportunities to share her faith,
lecture, take meetings etc. Then on day she realised feeling was coming back to her legs.
She was healed.

She started a women’s prayer ministry which took off big time, her healing brought glory
to God. She often wondered thought why she had to wait for healing, one day she felt
God tell her, that she was only interested in her body, he was more interested in her
spirit!


Plus did I say He is God and we are not.

Whatever way things work out, we will one day be fully healed body soul and
spirit when we are called home.
Two thoughts not necessarily terribly related to what you wrote:
1. "He is God and we are not" should be your epitaph. It is so incredibly you, and it's one of those sentences that sticks with me so often now.
2. Your aunt shouldn't be alive still, (we just need more oxygen then she is running on), so she is a continued miracle.
 
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I think this falls into the "why doesn't God heal amputees" category.

Imagine if God did heal everyone - even to the point of having limbs grow back. Where then, would there be room for faith? If the lost saw this, they would realize beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists, and would serve Him, not out of love, but out of obligation.

There's an old saying: God reveals Himself just enough to those who want to find Him, and conceals Himself just enough from those who don't.
Not really.

First, hubby knew a guy who really had his arm stretched out two to three inches after being prayed over. When the guy was a kid he broke his arm, so it didn't grow right after that. He had to get tailored-made shirts or forever get his sleeve in the way of his dominant hand. The proof of his healing was his shirt sleeve ripped, and after that he needed to buy a bunch of normal shirts. lol

Second, read Acts. Lots of times the apostles healed people only to get the reaction that the entire town tried to kill them. There was no shadow of a doubt, and so that infuriated those who still refuse to believe.
 
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I don't believe it is fair for us to declare someone as having an inadequate amount of faith. I do believe, however, that we can determine whether through someone's own words and theology if they have any faith to begin with. This then is not about quantity but a determination of whether or not faith is present and in use. The question isn't the amount of faith but are we in unbelief?

If we study out the doctrines surrounded by healing we can conclude through some beliefs that faith is inactive (not being used). I say this because I've heard people declare with their own lips that they have faith to be healed but more than likely they will have to wait for their glorified body. So what they are basically saying is that their faith is adequate but God has denied them for the present moment. For some this is just hopelessness, giving up. No longer is it a belief that they will be healed in this life, but one day at the end.

In this we can conclude they are not using their faith (that is adequate) to obtain healing in the present but instead, have chosen to persevere until the end. They are free to do so, but they cannot claim they have faith for healing and God has denied them because through their own words they have exposed themselves as no longer seeking healing in this life but the afterlife. They have become content in their suffering, and look ahead fixing their eyes on what is to come. For others this is not acceptable for them, they will seek healing in this life by seeking God. Not healing in the afterlife but this life. Their faith is an expectation that God will heal them in this life. That is an active faith.

All I am saying is that people profess faith but their words and doctrines betray them. I am not saying their faith is inadequate, on the contrary it is more than sufficient. I am asking if they have lost hope and are no longer using that sufficient faith to seek healing from God that He, I believe, is willing to give and instead have opted to no longer use their faith to obtain but have laid it aside, having grown weary? This is an honest, almost brutal, reality check that can be heart wrenching and for that I do apologize if I have opened anyone's wounds (emotionally).
I can absolutely, 100% guarantee that Lazarus did not have enough faith or hope, (since those are two different words for a reason), to be risen from the dead. Dead men have no faith nor hope!

You can't spin this whichever way you want to affirm you're personal Benology.


 
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Two thoughts not necessarily terribly related to what you wrote:
1. "He is God and we are not" should be your epitaph. It is so incredibly you, and it's one of those sentences that sticks with me so often now.
2. Your aunt shouldn't be alive still, (we just need more oxygen then she is running on), so she is a continued miracle.
Thanks for reminding me of two especially. I just accept it as normal for her, but
yeah you are spot on and it’s easy to forget the goodness of God in among the difficulties
of life.

Maybe that’s one of the reasons why we ask so many why questions, we so easily forget
what’s already been done. I’m sure as well that when we get to eternity we will
also see everything God stopped in it’s tracks which was meant to cause harm. :)
 
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I have a question here for all you 'you don't have enough faith' folks

doesn't the Bible say faith comes from God?

doesn't the Bible say we can ask for faith...I know it says to ask and not to waiver...but presumption is not faith and I believe quite a few in this world operate on presumption and BLAME others if they are not healed and I see no response in this thread that would give me pause and change my mind

how about where is YOUR faith that God actually hears ALL prayers...even the ones you judge as not good enough?

you know...as someone in the Bible had the nerve to say....I believe...help my unbelief

everyone is not healed and I don't know how the mind works that insists everyone should be healed when the BLATANT answer from God Himself, IN His word, reveals that is not so...the evidence is all around...how can you manage to ignore it?

the irresponsible harm done to people with they teaching is something I am sure God will address when the time comes
Every time I ask for healing I do not have enough faith to be healed. The Lord has healed me three times anyway, so I'm going he has the faith I don't have.
 
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I can absolutely, 100% guarantee that Lazarus did not have enough faith or hope, (since those are two different words for a reason), to be risen from the dead. Dead men have no faith nor hope!

You can't spin this whichever way you want to affirm you're personal Benology.




Ha ha so true, the story of Lazarus always makes me chuckle.

Jesus raised him then the Pharisees sought to kill him to shut him up.
Would Jesus have raised him again again! Were the Pharisees worried
about him being raised again again!

Lazerus was born (physically) born again (physically), born again (spiritually),
Then later in life he would have been born into eternity - by which time he’d
got a lot of practice at it. :D
 
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I can absolutely, 100% guarantee that Lazarus did not have enough faith or hope, (since those are two different words for a reason), to be risen from the dead. Dead men have no faith nor hope!

You can't spin this whichever way you want to affirm you're personal Benology.




so obvious...that I missed it!

pretty sure no one was praying he would be raised from the dead
 

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I believed the Eagles would win the Super Bowl for 37 out of the last 38 years I was a fan. Did they win the Super Bowl because I believed it? Was there a base for it? Was I not allowed to believe it?

And what does that have to do with reality?
(You know. This worked so much better before February 4, 2018. lol)

Yeah, no problem with you believing God will heal you. Just don't make it God's promise to heal you. God is merciful. Does that have to be proven by your healing or the Eagles winning the Super Bowl? It's already proven, and all the belief, or hope, or whatever we have doesn't change him.
Dilly Philly.
 

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God uses illness and or disability in the lives of believers either to help them depend more on Him or as a witness to people who are influenced by how they handle their illness or disability. God is under NO obligation to heal ANYONE. He heals when it suits His purpose to heal; and gives grace and strength to endure when it does not suit His purpose.
 
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if Jesus totally healed me, then how could my Husband become the man that he is called
to be after God's own heart???
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He is my care-giver in every way, physically and Spiritually...this is an Holy example of True-Godly-Love...
only Spiritual Love can develop from such unselfish Love, and can only make one an example
of what our Saviour expects of us...GROWETH, day-by-day into the person that He expects us to become...
 
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It is sad to me, that there are so many people who have been railroaded into this whole Word Faith lie. And it becomes the dominant thing in their lives. Because, I wonder if they thought if they slowed down, examined Scripture, they would realize that healing for ALL sickness is not in the Bible, and then they would be up a creek with no paddle.

I also wonder if they keep on believing because their entire faith life would fall to ruins, if you pulled out the bottom level? Like, how could they believe the “promise” of salvation, if they lost the “promise’ of total healing? Sort of like God would not be on the throne anymore, because their own personal theology about healing failed?

That’s not the topic, I know 7seasr! LOL

I have seen healing, and in once case, it was the child of a Hindu, whose brother-in-law had invited him to an evangelical meeting. The doctor verified the next day, that a totally deaf child could hear. And the family was saved! And many others. And the evangelist, who did NOT have a healing ministry, was kind of stunned. He believed in healing, but he had never seen someone saved because of healing. So that was marvelous - a deaf child healed, Hindus saved, and God was glorified.

I think all the Word Faith people are looking for that kind of healing, every time someone is prayed for. For sure, it was God’s will the child be healed, and the family be saved. But, that is not the normal! That is almost the exception to the rule. (I think Lynn might disagree here!). Because, in our society, if healing was guaranteed for every Christian, our churches would be filled, missionaries sent forth, and millions saved daily.

We KNOW that doesn’t happen! So, why do these Word Faith people live in such denial? Because, despite all the people here, showing what the Bible says, they continue to believe a lie. And Ben, continues to say people like me don’t have enough faith to be healed. The usual song and dance, keep ‘em coming, just in case, somehow, suddenly every believer who prays gets healed. But, if they don’t, its not God, not their theology which is rotten to the core, but the person that is lacking. Again, insult to injury.

It is always the one praying who should be blamed when someone is not healed. I’m not talking about those getting up from a wheelchair, who were not in a wheelchair before a service, I’m talking about people who are really sick, and when the elders pray for them and anoint them with oil they are not healed.

The fact is, we are all given the measure of faith we need.

[FONT=&quot][/FONT]For by the grace given to me I say to every one of you not to think more highly of yourself than you ought to think, but to think with sober discernment, as God has distributed to each of you a measure of faith.” Romans 12:2
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Why would I need more faith than God has given me? It makes no sense at all, unless your God doesn’t know how to sancify you. A god that is not sovereign and control and NOT MY GOD.

Please note that this faith is NEVER to be used to think of yourself more highly than someone else. I think telling someone you have the faith for healing, (assuming you really do) but they don’t, is thinking more highly of yourself than you should!

When I was recovering from the devastating spiritual depression that came, not when I wasn’t healed, but when I was told “You don’t have enough faith!” God showed me this verse below.


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More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not disappoint, because God’s love has been poured out by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.” Romans 5:3-5
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God pours out his love on us all! So, the fact is, whether from lack of finances, relationship issues, sickness or persecution, God is using suffering of every type to produce endurance, which produces character. And that is a very good God!

I used to be a big journal writer. I can go back to my healthy days, and I see someone, who despite attending church every Sunday, reading the Bible daily, and proclaiming Jesus as Lord and Saviour, for 20 years, had a very shallow and immature character.

I think God tried many other ways to help me grow. But, I was not growing. So, he had to pull me completely out of that bad soil, and prune me back to nothing, (that’s what you have to do with older trees and plants, or they will die trying to keep the tops growing) and then start again, in more fertile soil. And I am grateful for that! What if God had pulled me out and thrown me on the compost heap, in disgust?

No, God has poured out his love into my heart, and he knew he could change me, but it would take a lot of work. And a lot of time! So, here I sit, 20 years later, and God is so real, so good and I know he has worked all things together for good in my life!


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What does ALL mean in this verse? Well, it doesn’t mean, God heals ALL, or God MUST heal all. It means that all the good things, the neutral things, and the bad things, God is working for good in our lives. For me, not being healed started as a bad thing! But, although I still live in pain daily, I know that in eternity, God has changed my character a lot closer to the image of Christ!

And that is the crux of it, for me! Does healing help someone be saved? How about does it help someone be transformed into the image of Christ? Because, (I think EG said this!) if getting gloriously and wonderfully healed of an ailment in your body, means you get saved, wonderful! But if that same person walks away from God a few years later, might they have been better off not getting healed, and being reduced to a mess, so God could truly change them in to the image of Christ?


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I believe our goal on earth is to be transformed into the image of Christ. Not that we will attain it in this life, but to be on that journey with God, and our spirit being changed, into something that reflects the glory of God.

So, if healing sickness doesn’t help that goal, I don’t see God answering it. If healing will make you walk away from God, make you think more highly of yourself, even though it is God who heals, then what would be the purpose of that kind of healing?

Or perhaps a more positive way to say it, is that God has healed my heart and my spirit. He reconciled me to him, and then to my birth family, to friends, and changed me so I wasn’t sitting by the road on the narrow way, twiddling my thumbs, but I jumped up in my Spirit and began running towards God.

This is why I so strongly object to the Word Faith demand that ALL must be healed. (Besides the many Scriptures I have post elsewhere, that show healing is NOT in the atonement).Because spiritual healing is so much more important than physical healing. Twenty years I have been sick from an inherited auto-immune disorder. Maybe another 20, should I live that long?

But how long in eternity? Forever with Christ! And he is the one who planned the perfect path for me to take, how could I not trust him, whether I am never healed or not?
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Angela53510

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I really do feel sorry for those who have bought into this Word Faith lie, because by focusing on that, they have missed the real walk with God! And they are the ones sitting beside the narrow way, twiddling their thumbs. I hope they will all understand one day that God does not heal everyone, it is not in the Bible, anywhere, and they will repent of pushing this false doctrine on those who do not agree with it.

But even more, they will repent of telling sick people they don’t have enough faith to be healed. What a terrible, horrible lie from the pit of hell.
 
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I heard a preacher say this once..

”There’s either a healing of the body or healing from it.” I really liked that. Sometimes, He heals by calling someone home.
 
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Romans 8: 32 - He Who spared not His Own Son (concerns the Great Gift of God, i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ), but delivered Him up for us all (the Cross), how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? (We can have all things that pertain to Life and Godliness, which Jesus paid for at the Cross, providing our Faith is ever in Christ and the Cross [2 Peter 1:3-7].)

Most of the posting here is contaminated faith (doubt and mans point of view). They believe Jesus can, but don't believe Jesus will. Satan wants you to believe that the word of God doesn't work. The Believer must not change his or her testimony regarding the Cross to something else, even if it means death.
 
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