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After fasting and praying for 40 days and being tempted by Satan and resisted by stating pertinent scripture Jesus was near death and had to be ministered by angels. The bible does not state that Jesus never got sick. Before He began his ministry Jesus was a carpenter. I'm sure that He smashed has thumb a few times with a hammer. Jesus certainly knew pain and suffering. He even wept.
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Can you elaborate a little more on what you mean by "eternal things going on"? 
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I figure and can illustrate from scripture actually, that God does not just create a heart after Him on this earth and in this life, but He works for eternity. He makes us over and it's like Angela said in her post....He wants to create in us the image of His Son
here is what she said:
here is something from scripture with regards to that...from Paul...from his letter to the Philippians
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
there is alot more scripture about being prepared for eternity as well...would make a great study!
but one thing though, we are each individuals and we should not try to pattern our lives after another, but simply keep our eyes on Jesus and pray for understanding and to be kept from deception. God knows our hearts and our lives our in His Hands.
here is a beautiful passage I bet you are familiar with, but it is beautiful to remember. I always feel so safe when I read it:
Nothing Can Separate Us from God’s Love....Romans 8
31 What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us? 32 Since he did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won’t he also give us everything else?33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. 34 Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.
35 Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? 36 (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.”[a]) 37 No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.
38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[b] neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Some thoughts after reading 7's post.
The strange way they can't hear what is being said but just keep repeating the same things/ posting the same videos is what makes me think WOF is cult like. It seems like a sort of brainwashing to me. When you throw P-A into the mix, it makes you see that there's pain and anger behind why they get hooked into WOF.
The strange way they can't hear what is being said but just keep repeating the same things/ posting the same videos is what makes me think WOF is cult like. It seems like a sort of brainwashing to me. When you throw P-A into the mix, it makes you see that there's pain and anger behind why they get hooked into WOF.
Awesome.. Thank you, 7..
It's a good thing that nothing can separate us from God's love, cuz believe me, I've committed some incredibly unloving things..
I think when threads like this get made, we tend to forget about the SPIRITUAL healing, and only focus on the PHYSICAL part of healing. I know I do. From age 6 to age 27 or so, the only health problem I had was my epileptic seizures. At age 27, a bad back got added in, along with other health problems along the way.. I cannot wait for my new, eternal pain free body!!!
I can vaguely remember doing cartwheels, jumping jacks and climbing trees when I was a kid. If I tried that today, I'd break body parts. I can't wait to do them again in heaven, I'll be the one jumping and running around with a bunch of orange kitties chasing me.
It's a good thing that nothing can separate us from God's love, cuz believe me, I've committed some incredibly unloving things..
I think when threads like this get made, we tend to forget about the SPIRITUAL healing, and only focus on the PHYSICAL part of healing. I know I do. From age 6 to age 27 or so, the only health problem I had was my epileptic seizures. At age 27, a bad back got added in, along with other health problems along the way.. I cannot wait for my new, eternal pain free body!!!
I can vaguely remember doing cartwheels, jumping jacks and climbing trees when I was a kid. If I tried that today, I'd break body parts.
I can't wait to do them again in heaven, I'll be the one jumping and running around with a bunch of orange kitties chasing me.
Awesome.. Thank you, 7..
It's a good thing that nothing can separate us from God's love, cuz believe me, I've committed some incredibly unloving things..
I think when threads like this get made, we tend to forget about the SPIRITUAL healing, and only focus on the PHYSICAL part of healing. I know I do. From age 6 to age 27 or so, the only health problem I had was my epileptic seizures. At age 27, a bad back got added in, along with other health problems along the way.. I cannot wait for my new, eternal pain free body!!!
I can vaguely remember doing cartwheels, jumping jacks and climbing trees when I was a kid. If I tried that today, I'd break body parts. I can't wait to do them again in heaven, I'll be the one jumping and running around with a bunch of orange kitties chasing me.
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It's a good thing that nothing can separate us from God's love, cuz believe me, I've committed some incredibly unloving things..
I think when threads like this get made, we tend to forget about the SPIRITUAL healing, and only focus on the PHYSICAL part of healing. I know I do. From age 6 to age 27 or so, the only health problem I had was my epileptic seizures. At age 27, a bad back got added in, along with other health problems along the way.. I cannot wait for my new, eternal pain free body!!!
I can vaguely remember doing cartwheels, jumping jacks and climbing trees when I was a kid. If I tried that today, I'd break body parts.
I can't wait to do them again in heaven, I'll be the one jumping and running around with a bunch of orange kitties chasing me.
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Awesome.. Thank you, 7..
It's a good thing that nothing can separate us from God's love, cuz believe me, I've committed some incredibly unloving things..
I think when threads like this get made, we tend to forget about the SPIRITUAL healing, and only focus on the PHYSICAL part of healing. I know I do. From age 6 to age 27 or so, the only health problem I had was my epileptic seizures. At age 27, a bad back got added in, along with other health problems along the way.. I cannot wait for my new, eternal pain free body!!!
I can vaguely remember doing cartwheels, jumping jacks and climbing trees when I was a kid. If I tried that today, I'd break body parts. I can't wait to do them again in heaven, I'll be the one jumping and running around with a bunch of orange kitties chasing me.
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It's a good thing that nothing can separate us from God's love, cuz believe me, I've committed some incredibly unloving things..
I think when threads like this get made, we tend to forget about the SPIRITUAL healing, and only focus on the PHYSICAL part of healing. I know I do. From age 6 to age 27 or so, the only health problem I had was my epileptic seizures. At age 27, a bad back got added in, along with other health problems along the way.. I cannot wait for my new, eternal pain free body!!!
I can vaguely remember doing cartwheels, jumping jacks and climbing trees when I was a kid. If I tried that today, I'd break body parts.
I can't wait to do them again in heaven, I'll be the one jumping and running around with a bunch of orange kitties chasing me.
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I just reread that passage...Romans 8...again
with me, it is really the spiritual side that I constantly depend on God for
oh sure I've had some injuries and stuff...but nothing to really complain about especially considering they were all got while doing sports...trying to have fun haha
but I sure hear what you are saying
I'll be the one with the pack of dogs following...in heaven, cats and dogs should get along...
and you are very welcome!
I have to agree , the most important thing to me is growing in my faith , keeping my eyes on Jesus and not on myself , after all i am nothing without Christ but everything in Him...
Sometimes it is easy to look back on our old self and wish we were like we were as in physical , i may have been an attractive women with outward vibrance , but inside i was dead...Today i have type 2 , OCD mentally , false teeth , but i do not care because inside i am alive , i am on my way home , as Jesus said " Those who look back when their hand is on the plow is not fit for the Kingdom of God " Luke 9:62 Jesus replied, "No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."...
Maybe sometimes we just try to keep hold of our old bodies because when they fail us they bring death to reality , we must put all our trust in God , His Will be done not ours...xox...
Sometimes it is easy to look back on our old self and wish we were like we were as in physical , i may have been an attractive women with outward vibrance , but inside i was dead...Today i have type 2 , OCD mentally , false teeth , but i do not care because inside i am alive , i am on my way home , as Jesus said " Those who look back when their hand is on the plow is not fit for the Kingdom of God " Luke 9:62 Jesus replied, "No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."...
Maybe sometimes we just try to keep hold of our old bodies because when they fail us they bring death to reality , we must put all our trust in God , His Will be done not ours...xox...
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ACTS 9:15-16.
But The Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me,
to bear My Name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for My Name's sake.
ROMANS 8:17-18.
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;
if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy
to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
11COR. 1:6.
And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation,
which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer:
or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
PHI. 1:29.
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him,
but also to suffer for His sake;
HEB. 2:9.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death,
Crowned with Glory and Honour; that He by The Grace of God
should taste death for every man.
1PETER 5:10.
But The God of all Grace, Who hath called us unto His Eternal Glory by Christ Jesus,
after that you have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
ACTS 9:15-16.
But The Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me,
to bear My Name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for My Name's sake.
ROMANS 8:17-18.
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;
if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy
to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
11COR. 1:6.
And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation,
which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer:
or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
PHI. 1:29.
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him,
but also to suffer for His sake;
HEB. 2:9.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death,
Crowned with Glory and Honour; that He by The Grace of God
should taste death for every man.
1PETER 5:10.
But The God of all Grace, Who hath called us unto His Eternal Glory by Christ Jesus,
after that you have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
This was the EXACT take I had on his response! A doubling, and tripling down that says you don't have faith, and THAT'S why you aren't healed!
I have a challenge to those that believe God will heal ALL if you have faith. And I'm being serious.
My friends son is severely autistic. He is almost totally non verbal and has very little social life at all at age 19. His name is Zach, and he lives in N.J.
Also, my sister's grandchild, 2 yrs old, in Florida, has Cystic Fibrosis. He goes through a fairly terrible regimen every day to clear out his lungs. His name is Jensen.
Since there are many instances in Scripture of people getting healed BY THE HEALER'S faith, and not necessarily the patient's faith, I am asking you to heal both of these boys.
I KNOW that the Lord can heal them. But I also know their healing has to be in accord with the Will of the Father.
Both families love the Lord and have professed faith in Him.
Am I to tell them that they have NO faith (cause apparently that's the new standard) and that is why they aren't healed? Or can I tell them that YOU HAVE FAITH and will pray they are healed and it will be so?
So either you can and will glorify God by healing them, or you can't and will have to admit that healings MUST come by the Will of the Lord and His Will is not ALWAYS to heal.
Then I would politely ask you to stop posting this hurtful doctrine. Thank You.
I asked the Lord what should be a response to this PennEd.
This is what I was given..
23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
Luk 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
Luk 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
Luk 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
Luk 4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
Luk 4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,
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This is what I was given..
23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
Luk 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
Luk 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
Luk 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
Luk 4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
Luk 4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,
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Thank you Chester. I don't want to give the impression of using these boys to make a point on a chatboard, but when you put a real live person in the equation it tends bring home how hurtful this doctrine is to people.
And if the Lord uses one of these people to heal them I, along with many others, will be very grateful. I am not so arrogant to hope they fail!
And if the Lord uses one of these people to heal them I, along with many others, will be very grateful. I am not so arrogant to hope they fail!
Agreed, PennEd, I too would be elated if someone has the faith to pray and your friends were healed. But I, like you, have seen many hurt by this doctrine because they "didn't have enough faith". The handicapped, sick, and injured become looked down upon because they should not be sick or injured!
I don't see your challenge as using these boys to make a point on a chatboard, but I see it as exposing a dangerous doctrine and hopefully saving others from discouragement and frustration.
I don't see your challenge as using these boys to make a point on a chatboard, but I see it as exposing a dangerous doctrine and hopefully saving others from discouragement and frustration.
Why only those two? Famine....heavens shut up....widow...
2 Kings 5:8 And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.
They wanted to kill Jesus for these words.
2 Kings 5:8 And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.
They wanted to kill Jesus for these words.