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I'm not angry at all. 
I'm frustrated!! I'm not going to keep derailing Seven's thread, but I want to know WHY He won't, heal ALL of people's illnesses, especially if they have more than one. To me, being PARTLY healed, is NOT being FULLY healed. He could fully heal John (Lynn's husband), or Joidevivre or Bella or Jenniferand2. Heck, He could heal every single cotton pickin' one of us! LOL
But He hasn't, and some here have died recently because He didn't. Frank (achildofGod) is gone now, and HE probably had the best faith of any of us. So WHY, despite our prayers, pleas, and begging, doesn't God heal ALL of us?
I'm frustrated!! I'm not going to keep derailing Seven's thread, but I want to know WHY He won't, heal ALL of people's illnesses, especially if they have more than one. To me, being PARTLY healed, is NOT being FULLY healed. He could fully heal John (Lynn's husband), or Joidevivre or Bella or Jenniferand2. Heck, He could heal every single cotton pickin' one of us! LOLBut He hasn't, and some here have died recently because He didn't. Frank (achildofGod) is gone now, and HE probably had the best faith of any of us. So WHY, despite our prayers, pleas, and begging, doesn't God heal ALL of us?
Frank is doing great. Even better than he imagined. We are still struggling.
Yes, I know he is and his suffering is over. No disrespect, but I'm glad he's "home" because he suffered here so horribly. But yet, took it all with grace and no fear about what lay ahead for him.
I DO understand that one day we WILL ALL be healed. Most likely for many, that'll be after we go to heaven. But that still doesn't answer my question of WHY some are not healed in THIS lifetime..
and his suffering is over. No disrespect, but I'm glad he's "home" because he suffered here so horribly. But yet, took it all with grace and no fear about what lay ahead for him.I DO understand that one day we WILL ALL be healed. Most likely for many, that'll be after we go to heaven. But that still doesn't answer my question of WHY some are not healed in THIS lifetime..
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Yes, I know he is and his suffering is over. No disrespect, but I'm glad he's "home" because he suffered here so horribly. But yet, took it all with grace and no fear about what lay ahead for him.
I DO understand that one day we WILL ALL be healed. Most likely for many, that'll be after we go to heaven. But that still doesn't answer my question of WHY some are not healed in THIS lifetime..
and his suffering is over. No disrespect, but I'm glad he's "home" because he suffered here so horribly. But yet, took it all with grace and no fear about what lay ahead for him.I DO understand that one day we WILL ALL be healed. Most likely for many, that'll be after we go to heaven. But that still doesn't answer my question of WHY some are not healed in THIS lifetime..
do you think God SHOULD heal everyone? and what would be the result of that?
ps...some of these questions have been covered here but it's ok to ask multiple times
myself...I gotta get going...house does not clean itself....
No it isn't.
I suffer from generalised severe anxiety.
Have done now for nearly 30 years.
It actually started in a church service.
One minute I was fine the next it felt like my stomach was ripped open and millions of butterflies were placed in my stomach.
One minute fine then the next not.
Lots of prayers over the years.
Read and read prescribed Bible verses.
Been on my knees in tears begging for release.
At its best I can just about cope at its worst all I can do is cling on to God. Even just to get out of bed, run a company and provide for my wife and kids.
I just accept it now.
I suffer from generalised severe anxiety.
Have done now for nearly 30 years.
It actually started in a church service.
One minute I was fine the next it felt like my stomach was ripped open and millions of butterflies were placed in my stomach.
One minute fine then the next not.
Lots of prayers over the years.
Read and read prescribed Bible verses.
Been on my knees in tears begging for release.
At its best I can just about cope at its worst all I can do is cling on to God. Even just to get out of bed, run a company and provide for my wife and kids.
I just accept it now.
Lynn, I've been asking Him for decades now. Ever since I was a kid. That's literally nearly my entire life. I may not have years to wait for an answer from Him. I could keel over dead in 5 minutes from now.. Who knows..
I guess I just wish.. that He would give me INSTANT answers sometimes.. I'm not asking for always, just sometimes..
I guess I just wish.. that He would give me INSTANT answers sometimes.. I'm not asking for always, just sometimes..
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Wrong! Our trials don't make us stronger. Our trials weigh on us like lead ever increasing.
But this is the stuff you tell yourself instead of asking the one who does make you stronger.
Here's a question for you that I really need an answer to.
Please answer it.
You can't? Why not? Oh yeah, I never asked!
Now if I said it out loud, could you answer it? No, because you don't hear me asking it either.
Should I expect an answer to my question that is that important to me that I call it "need," even if I don't ask it and don't get your answer? Nah. Apparently it wasn't important enough for me to seek the answer.
You've gathered a lot of theories as to why over the years. I see them all in your response. The one I don't see is God's answer.
[h=1]Matthew 7:7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.[/h]
But this is the stuff you tell yourself instead of asking the one who does make you stronger.
Here's a question for you that I really need an answer to.
Please answer it.
You can't? Why not? Oh yeah, I never asked!
Now if I said it out loud, could you answer it? No, because you don't hear me asking it either.
Should I expect an answer to my question that is that important to me that I call it "need," even if I don't ask it and don't get your answer? Nah. Apparently it wasn't important enough for me to seek the answer.
You've gathered a lot of theories as to why over the years. I see them all in your response. The one I don't see is God's answer.
[h=1]Matthew 7:7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.[/h]
Thessalonians 5:18 [FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Give thanks in every circumstance, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is what I do when I do not understand the whys ...When I feel the frustration building up to do with my physical issues and mental health , I just praise and start thanking God for what I have...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Recently Ii had an episode of OCD , but the OCD I have does not show in washing hands , checking the doors , lights etc , I have it in my mind about my salvation and it is so crippling and destructive that I can not for one second take my eyes off Jesus , because if I do I become so distraught that I can hardly breath...
The episodes can last from a full day to a whole week , and one Scripture that came to mind was knowing that Psalm 139:2 [/FONT][FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Before God called me , I was under the mental health act for over 30 plus years , I suffered with psychosis , been labeled bi-polar , have been put into psychiatry wards , had many many meds and many labels , but thank God He has truly lifted me out from them dark pits when He brought me into His light through our Lord Jesus Christ our Savior , so after having 2 years clear from any psychotic illusions , I now have been getting OCD in my thoughts , but knowing God searches my heart and knows these thought I have come a sick mind brings me His peace the surpasses all my understanding , and to be honest , rather then question God why , I just give Him praise because the whys will start off a trigger for the ocd to start as giving thanks and praise keeps me still and His peace remains...
Sorry if I have waffled a bit lol , time for a nice cup of tea and some of my homemade Zucchini cake , thanks to those who have listened , feel better now...xox...P.S Sorry 7 if I have gone of key abit...xox...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is what I do when I do not understand the whys ...When I feel the frustration building up to do with my physical issues and mental health , I just praise and start thanking God for what I have...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Recently Ii had an episode of OCD , but the OCD I have does not show in washing hands , checking the doors , lights etc , I have it in my mind about my salvation and it is so crippling and destructive that I can not for one second take my eyes off Jesus , because if I do I become so distraught that I can hardly breath...
The episodes can last from a full day to a whole week , and one Scripture that came to mind was knowing that Psalm 139:2 [/FONT][FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Before God called me , I was under the mental health act for over 30 plus years , I suffered with psychosis , been labeled bi-polar , have been put into psychiatry wards , had many many meds and many labels , but thank God He has truly lifted me out from them dark pits when He brought me into His light through our Lord Jesus Christ our Savior , so after having 2 years clear from any psychotic illusions , I now have been getting OCD in my thoughts , but knowing God searches my heart and knows these thought I have come a sick mind brings me His peace the surpasses all my understanding , and to be honest , rather then question God why , I just give Him praise because the whys will start off a trigger for the ocd to start as giving thanks and praise keeps me still and His peace remains...
Sorry if I have waffled a bit lol , time for a nice cup of tea and some of my homemade Zucchini cake , thanks to those who have listened , feel better now...xox...P.S Sorry 7 if I have gone of key abit...xox...[/FONT]
Should he heal everyone? Well, I don't know if He should. Some people are a better testimony to Him if they're afflicted. But if He promises to heal anyone who has (or asks in) faith, then He definitely should fulfill that promise. And for some, He does. For the rest, they get to bite the bullet and persevere through any way they can.
well you are still currently here after all, so let me ask...you don't have to answer...but maybe think about it...
do you think God SHOULD heal everyone? and what would be the result of that?
ps...some of these questions have been covered here but it's ok to ask multiple times
myself...I gotta get going...house does not clean itself....
do you think God SHOULD heal everyone? and what would be the result of that?
ps...some of these questions have been covered here but it's ok to ask multiple times
myself...I gotta get going...house does not clean itself....
People do not have enough faith whether they believe God cannot heal,or does not want to heal them.
Some people depend more on God when they are not healed and they are in a better place spiritually which is a better benefit.
Some people if healed may start sinning because of their healing as someone in a wheelchair with muscular dystrophy that might be out going to the bar,and chasing after women,and drinking,which he is in a better position by being in a wheelchair.
Jesus said if your hand offends you cut it off,or if your eye offends you pluck it out,for it is better to enter life maimed than to have 2 hands or 2 eyes and lose out because of sin,but of course He does not want us to do away with a body part,but illustrating the point to abstain from sin.
So people not healed might cause them to be in a better relationship with God,and may cause them not to sin,and God knows the condition of the person whether a healing is good or not good for them and He will look at it from a spiritual perspective in their life for the good.
2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Paul received a thorn in the flesh,an infirmity,so that he would not exalt himself to think he was something great for then God could not work in his life,for God resists the proud but gives grace unto the humble.
So people may say God will heal everyone,but Paul was given an infirmity to keep him humble for then he was in a better spiritual position with God,and depended on Him,for when he is weak then he is strong for the power of Christ rests upon him.
So is it better to not be healed for then we will depend on God more,and the Bible says the Son learned obedience by the things that He suffered.
But God knows our situation and what will cause us to be in a better spiritual position with Him for that is what truly matters.
To heal or not to heal that is the question,and the answer is in yourself how it will affect your relationship with God.
2Co 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Co 6:5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
2Co 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
2Co 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Co 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
2Co 6:9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
2Co 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
We know we will go through trouble from the world as they persecute,and other troubles,so it would appear if God healed everyone no one would ever go through trouble in the flesh,and never be persecuted.
Some people depend more on God when they are not healed and they are in a better place spiritually which is a better benefit.
Some people if healed may start sinning because of their healing as someone in a wheelchair with muscular dystrophy that might be out going to the bar,and chasing after women,and drinking,which he is in a better position by being in a wheelchair.
Jesus said if your hand offends you cut it off,or if your eye offends you pluck it out,for it is better to enter life maimed than to have 2 hands or 2 eyes and lose out because of sin,but of course He does not want us to do away with a body part,but illustrating the point to abstain from sin.
So people not healed might cause them to be in a better relationship with God,and may cause them not to sin,and God knows the condition of the person whether a healing is good or not good for them and He will look at it from a spiritual perspective in their life for the good.
2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Paul received a thorn in the flesh,an infirmity,so that he would not exalt himself to think he was something great for then God could not work in his life,for God resists the proud but gives grace unto the humble.
So people may say God will heal everyone,but Paul was given an infirmity to keep him humble for then he was in a better spiritual position with God,and depended on Him,for when he is weak then he is strong for the power of Christ rests upon him.
So is it better to not be healed for then we will depend on God more,and the Bible says the Son learned obedience by the things that He suffered.
But God knows our situation and what will cause us to be in a better spiritual position with Him for that is what truly matters.
To heal or not to heal that is the question,and the answer is in yourself how it will affect your relationship with God.
2Co 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Co 6:5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
2Co 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
2Co 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Co 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
2Co 6:9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
2Co 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
We know we will go through trouble from the world as they persecute,and other troubles,so it would appear if God healed everyone no one would ever go through trouble in the flesh,and never be persecuted.