WHY DOESN'T GOD HEAL EVERYONE?

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Well then, God is sadistic. For someone who never meant for His children to get murdered, suffer illness or whatever, He sure does a good job of allowing it to happen. :/

Well, considering God did mean for Stephen to be murdered, that seems your problem all along, doesn't it? To you, God is a sadist.

Stephen glorified in his own murder, because he trusted even that was meant for his good.

If you ever wondered what I have against you, this is it. You think God is a sadist, and yet will not call out to him to change that in you.

Truth is I've thought the same thing. But then asked God to help me understand why in the world he killed so many of his chosen people even before getting them to the Promised Land. It took years, but he finally got me to understand it. And, in understanding that, understanding so much other, including how in the world something as stupid as taking me off an operating table turned me into "disabled for life."

You really do think God is a sadist. You're just too afraid to tell him that. What's he going to do to you that is going to make things even worse for asking? Do you think he's going to cut you off merely because you asked? He already knows that's exactly what you're thinking, and no lightning bolt hitting you. Honest! Go to him! Ask the hard questions.

He answers! It requires quite some time in his book, but he does answer!

Stop being so scared of him! He's not Amway! You don't have to rally yourself to join in on the pep rally for him, just because others seem to be in the flow. Be mad! Be hurt! Be furious! But tell him! And ask him to reach you and help you handle why. Not just why with your back. Not just why with the epilepsy. You really have had a sucko life. And, look at my life, yet I can still tell you that. Your life has truly sucked! Why would God do that to you? Ask him!

Honest, honest, honest! Ask him with full sincerity PLUS that full blown wrath you have, because that wrath ain't taking him by surprise. And watch what happens. No lightning bolts. No cold shoulder. No handling you horribly like so many others have. He answers. And with all the love and kindness we'd want and more from our own dads.

And he does it something like a parent when a child is scared of the boogeyman in her room. He'll take you by the hand, and show you, spot by spot where the boogeyman was, (because you are one of the few who met the boogeyman in real life), to prove to you he's not there. And each time he shows you who isn't there, he IS there. It take a while to go about the room with him. But by the time he's got you in his lap, you notice the other thing in his belt -- the sword. The sword that is NOT for you. It is for whoever will try and take you away from him.

Not like this physically, but if you let God know how angry you are and ask him to fix it. He does.

I know. Had to have that very thing happen a few times in my life. He is not sadistic. You have had sadists in your life, so you can't tell the difference. Let HIM show you he is NOT! Let HIM show you who he is.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Trust me, God knows what I think about Him not healing everyone entirely, when He very well could..

 

[Depleted]

Yeah right, . His people are disabled, paralyzed, dead and dying. HOW is THAT good? He's picking us off one by one, to disease, murder, suicide, you name it.

He heals some, then afflicts them again. Case in point: Joidevivre. She got cured for awhile, and now her cancer is back. :/ WHY? He healed her, so WHY did He afflict her again? Why not just heal her entirely and be done with it?

Joni asked God the same question, and God answered her for her.

Joi asked God the same question, and got her answer for her.

I asked him the same question, and got my answer for me.

It's time for you to ask him that question for you. I can tell you where all three of us got our answers -- from his book and from him through his book.

 

[Depleted]

this is not a TULIP thread

no offense, but I sure would appreciate that not being a part of the discussion ... there are many threads on that already

thanks Lynn

It is on why God does not, and that was just another part of what God does not do. He doesn't do utterly, (and utterly ain't TULIP. lol)

 

[Depleted]

I would like to address this though

did God actually punish them, or did they suffer the consequences for their sin

God told them that on the day they would eat of the forbidden tree...they would die

just wanted to point that out

personally, I believe we suffer for our sinful choices ...disobedience...even a child will suffer for disobedience if they touch a hot ring on a stove after they have been warned not to do so

we are rebellious at heart

but I also agree that God does punish sin, at times, directly...or again, perhaps some sin has effects we don't know about

but now I am getting philosophical

I have never had a baby, but I truly empathize for every mom who has. AND I keep going back to part of the curse was pain in child birth. Seems like punishment to me. (Pain always does seem like punishment to me though.)

 

[blue_ladybug]

God gives many of us a sucky life, because He's God and He can. And when many of us need Him most, He stays silent. But our trials make us stronger, right? Not always, not when you're in so much frickin' pain that you can't even breathe, so you say a silent prayer, then HE remains silent, and allows you to just keep on suffering.

 

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I think that we have to be content with the same answer God gave Job

basically, He is God and we are not...that is about the simplest answer to the big question I can think of

Miri's tagline gets to you, too?

 

[blue_ladybug]

I've asked Him every question I have. Milennia times over.

Joni asked God the same question, and God answered her for her.

Joi asked God the same question, and got her answer for her.

I asked him the same question, and got my answer for me.

It's time for you to ask him that question for you. I can tell you where all three of us got our answers -- from his book and from him through his book.

 

[blue_ladybug]

All I, and anyone else here wants to know, is WHY? Why some, not all? Why partly, not entirely? Or why entirely, then afflict it again?

So, WHY GOD? WHY?

 

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I looked her up after EG and you spoke of her and what a miracle she is. Have you seen her art (that she paints with her mouth!)?

I think Joni answers your question in these exerts of hers.

Some time ago, Ken and I had a chance to visit the holy land and he didn’t not tell me our tour itinerary but I knew that we were going to go the city of Old Jerusalem. And that we did, I was in my push wheel chair, not this power one, and he bumpy-bump, bump, bump me down the Via Delarosa, you don’t go up the Via Delarosa, you go down it when you’re in a wheel chair. And we got to the bottom and we wheeled over the cobble stoned streets and to the right was the Temple Mount, we made a left-hand turn, went pass St. Anne’s Church, and then all of a sudden the path opens up and oh my goodness, would you look at this. “Ken, come here, look at this. It’s the pool of Bethesda. O, Ken, you would not believe how many times, how many times I used to picture myself here as one of those people with disabilities.”

The place was dead quiet. All the tour buses must have been down at the Dead Sea, and it was beautiful. It was quiet. And I leaned there on the guard rail of the old ruin and while Ken, he ran down and went into the cisterns to see if there really was any water left in the pool of Bethesda. But while I was there alone, I was alone just with myself and with my Savior and tears streaming down my face,

“O Jesus, thank You, thank You for a no answer to a request for physical healing. You really knew what You were doing so many years ago because a no answer to a request for physical healing has purged so much sin out of my life, so much selfishness and bitterness, and I know I’ve got a long way to go, but every day I want to wake up and I want to be a different Joni than I was yesterday, I want to be a Joni that You created, that You’ve destined me to be. O God, help me to step into that a no answer, Lord Jesus, to a request for physical healing has meant that I’m depending more on Your grace, but it’s increasing my compassion for others who are hurt and disabled, it’s help me put complaining behind me, it stretched my grope(?), it has pushed me to give thanks in times of sorrow. It has increased my faith. It has strengthened my hope of heaven and it’s made me love You so much more…so much more. It is such a safe wonderful thing to be back in the inner sanctum of the fellowship of sharing in Your sufferings. And I would not trade it for any amount of walking.”

You should try her book When God Weeps. That's where I got my short-leash mentality.

(What amazes me is in the beginning of the book it specifically tells people not to read the book if they are angry with God. I wasn't angry. I was furious. I just got to the point of thinking, "What could he do worse to me that he already hasn't done?" So I read anyway, and the anger melted.)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I'm not angry at all. I'm frustrated!! I'm not going to keep derailing Seven's thread, but I want to know WHY He won't, heal ALL of people's illnesses, especially if they have more than one. To me, being PARTLY healed, is NOT being FULLY healed. He could fully heal John (Lynn's husband), or Joidevivre or Bella or Jenniferand2. Heck, He could heal every single cotton pickin' one of us! LOL

But He hasn't, and some here have died recently because He didn't. Frank (achildofGod) is gone now, and HE probably had the best faith of any of us. So WHY, despite our prayers, pleas, and begging, doesn't God heal ALL of us?

you know, and I know for a fact cause Frank himself told it to me (and maybe others...don't know) but someone said to him that God would heal him if he had enough faith

think of that...I know many of us prayed for him and he asked for our prayers...and then he had that awful accident where a woman plowed into his truck...think of that...and still he didn't blame God or even ask 'why' as far as I know...maybe between God and himself..I know I would have had some interesting questions

see here that he was already suffering plenty and then whamo...he gets it again...I have thoughts on that but I don't want to speculate

my own suffering has been of the spiritual variety..Christians who had known me all my life and knowing my integrity conniving behind my back, lying and even going so far as to go to a lawyer when I was 100% innocent of wrong doing in the accusations and if you think that does not cause great pain...let me tell you that it does

I still hurt every day over it and it was 20 years ago...I have forgiven multiple times and daily and prayed for these people and guess what? I still hurt...BUT now I hurt for THEM and not for me

I spent the first 2 years trying to pray and I could not pray...I would sit with my Bible in my hand and stare into space and could not form one prayer or even a question. I literally thought I was going to hell.

bit by bit it changed for me and it is still working in me

not all suffering is physical but believe me, God carves us out the way He wants through means best suited to us

you have no idea the questions...shouted at God I threw at Him and He let me...let me get it all out

I am not the same anymore.

not for one single moment do I think you should just be quiet and accept Blue. I emptied my heart over and over and over and God had His hand on my shoulder the entire time whether or not I 'felt' Him

I don't even like sharing this but I am for your sake.

frustration? I sure get that!

being misunderstood? sometimes I think I wrote the book!

it's ok...God does and will work it all out...He even goes after the black sheep and the lost sheep and the one sheep

don't be afraid of anger...it's a normal reaction...working through it is what a person needs to do...not keep it in and pretend they are a 'good' Christian and should not feel that way

I hope this makes some sense to you

it is harder than I ever thought it would be, Blue...saved when I was a child, and now here I am all these years later

you would not believe some of what I could say and it would all be true

but I trust more, understand more and have alot more patience then I did

hugs again to you

 

[slave]

God gives many of us a sucky life, because He's God and He can. And when many of us need Him most, He stays silent. But our trials make us stronger, right? Not always, not when you're in so much frickin' pain that you can't even breathe, so you say a silent prayer, then HE remains silent, and allows you to just keep on suffering.

blue_ladybug I want you to know I love you very much. When I first started here I tried to make a friendship with you, but you took some things I said out of context and allowed it to bend your feelings sideways. Since then, I have hoped and prayed to show you God's steadfast love in me. His Word shares God's character for us in (John 10:10); while (Romans 5:3-5) describes His wisdom over ours in how He wishes to forge our character wholly in Him - giving us hope:

(Romans 5:3-5): ...The Voice (VOICE)

3 And that’s not all. We also celebrate in seasons of suffering because we know that when we suffer we develop endurance, 4 which shapes our characters. When our characters are refined, we learn what it means to hope and anticipate God’s goodness. 5 And hope will never fail to satisfy our deepest need because the Holy Spirit that was given to us has flooded our hearts with God’s love.

I pray your pain becomes His, so that He will give you His peace over it and let you remain in His rest.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

blue_ladybug I want you to know I love you very much. When I first started here I tried to make a friendship with you, but you took some things I said out of context and allowed it to bend your feelings sideways. Since then, I have hoped and prayed to show you God's steadfast love God in me. His Word shares God's character for us in (John 10:10); while (Romans 5:3-5) describes His wisdom over ours in how He wishes to forge our character wholly in Him - giving us hope:

(Romans 5:3-5): ...The Voice (VOICE)

3 And that’s not all. We also celebrate in seasons of suffering because we know that when we suffer we develop endurance, 4 which shapes our characters. When our characters are refined, we learn what it means to hope and anticipate God’s goodness. 5 And hope will never fail to satisfy our deepest need because the Holy Spirit that was given to us has flooded our hearts with God’s love.

and big hugs to you also in Jesus, Slave

that is how I always signed off in my emails ad pms to Frank...hugs to you in Jesus

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Miri's tagline gets to you, too?

yeah...you're right...now that I remember it

I like Miri's posts...that lady is sensible and God shines through her words

 

[blue_ladybug]

Firstly, that second sentence, unless you're referring to the "last person to post" thread, then I don't know what things you're talking about.. But it would help tremendously if you (and others) could clarify what they mean, when they make a vague, obscure remark that left the rest of us saying "what the heck"... lol

I DO see God's love in you. I've never said that I haven't...

blue_ladybug I want you to know I love you very much. When I first started here I tried to make a friendship with you, but you took some things I said out of context and allowed it to bend your feelings sideways. Since then, I have hoped and prayed to show you God's steadfast love God in me. His Word shares God's character for us in (John 10:10); while (Romans 5:3-5) describes His wisdom over ours in how He wishes to forge our character wholly in Him - giving us hope:

(Romans 5:3-5): ...The Voice (VOICE)

3 And that’s not all. We also celebrate in seasons of suffering because we know that when we suffer we develop endurance, 4 which shapes our characters. When our characters are refined, we learn what it means to hope and anticipate God’s goodness. 5 And hope will never fail to satisfy our deepest need because the Holy Spirit that was given to us has flooded our hearts with God’s love.

I pray your pain becomes His, so that He will give you His peace over it and let you remain in His rest.

 

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haha...I like your response and I agree

I just tend to dig deeper then a quick answer and have alot of life experience on this topic

I do believe curses can still be in effect but it seems most Christians do not believe that and point to Jesus becoming a curse for us on the cross

I believe Jesus work on the cross was perfect...He stated it was finished

but it is my experience...that people ignore the fact that just as we have to deal with sin in our lives, we may also have to deal with curses and stand on the fact that Jesus has destroyed these also

that may be conceptual and many disagree but I have found it to be true just the same

for many reasons, I have learned not to be flippant or quick in my response when dealing with 'stuff'

yeah sickness can be a physical component to a spiritual problem (please nobody take that to mean you are not healed because you have something wrong with you spiritually...like I said, you don't jump in and apply what you think you know to everything)

I've seen the end of a family curse. (Well, a deep pruning of the curse. One line within the family might be continuing it.) It was sexual sin -- incest, pedophilia, rape. I see why God's law was to kill anyone who did incest, because it grew. No idea where it started, but cousins were raping cousins (toddlers), brothers were raping sisters, and mothers and fathers were using their children as sex partners, also passing them around to their siblings (aunts and uncles of the children.)

I see why God had that law. I also see how heavily he favors mercy too. Generations of this, and once the kids were grown it might or might not continue outside the family. And then the Lord saved two of the sons in the family, unbeknownst to each other. (If you're raised in this, exactly how much do you want to hang around your brothers and sisters, once you're an adult? So, that is why they didn't know what happened to the other ones for a few years.) Out of that, another two siblings were saved. Because the ones saved were sometimes the new predators, the ones who weren't saved were no longer abused, so they were free to figure out life without the expectations of being violated again.

Most of them married and had kids of their own. And finally... FINALLY, the cycle stopped being perpetuated.

Family curses are horrible!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Firstly, that second sentence, unless you're referring to the "last person to post" thread, then I don't know what things you're talking about.. But it would help tremendously if you (and others) could clarify what they mean, when they make a vague, obscure remark that left the rest of us saying "what the heck"... lol

I DO see God's love in you. I've never said that I haven't...

no clue as to what you refer to here

not this thread I hope? last person to post?

anyway.......

 

[Depleted]

I like this!

I think it shows the sovereignty of God in giving us what we need and actually want even when we are not certain

sometimes, I know for me, it's a great mercy that He does so and does not give in to my ranting (which I have been known to do...God and I do thrash it out at times. I believe He is good with that)

Meh, God rarely gives me what I want. He always gives me what I need.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I'm gonna excuse myself off this thread for now because I just.. don't even know

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Meh, God rarely gives me what I want. He always gives me what I need.

oh I've had some wants...just took some of them too and then begged God to untake them for me

you must be familiar with the expression...'be careful what you ask for. you might get it'...