KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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Dino246

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This movement appears to have started with a Book entitled "Our Authorized Version Vindicated" by Benjamin Wilkinson, an SDA college president in 1930.

The movement was promoted by Peter Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, and Jack Chick in the mid to late 1940s and continuing into the 21st century.

Jerry Fallwell of Liberty College in Virginia has been an outspoken proponent in connection with his 'Moral Majority' movement.
Some of it is also based on the work of John Burgon, F.H.W. Scrivener, E.F. Hills, and a few others. Burgon wasn't so much KJV-only as a vocal opponent of Westcott and Hort.
 

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This movement appears to have started with a Book entitled "Our Authorized Version Vindicated" by Benjamin Wilkinson, an SDA college president in 1930.

The movement was promoted by Peter Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, and Jack Chick in the mid to late 1940s and continuing into the 21st century.

Jerry Fallwell of Liberty College in Virginia has been an outspoken proponent in connection with his 'Moral Majority' movement.
What do you mean "this movement?" :)
 

MarcR

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Some of it is also based on the work of John Burgon, F.H.W. Scrivener, E.F. Hills, and a few others. Burgon wasn't so much KJV-only as a vocal opponent of Westcott and Hort.
I agree..............
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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This movement appears to have started with a Book entitled "Our Authorized Version Vindicated" by Benjamin Wilkinson, an SDA college president in 1930.

The movement was promoted by Peter Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, and Jack Chick in the mid to late 1940s and continuing into the 21st century.

Jerry Fallwell of Liberty College in Virginia has been an outspoken proponent in connection with his 'Moral Majority' movement.
Funny you mention that, as I only discovered it a couple weeks ago when I was looking for the root of this problem.

Benjamin G. Wilkinson (1872–1968), a Seventh-day Adventist missionary, theology professor and college president, wroteOur Authorized Bible Vindicated (1930) in which he asserted that some of the new versions of the Bible coming out, came from manuscripts with corruptions introduced into the Septuagint by Origen, and manuscripts with deletions and changes from corrupted Alexandrian text. He criticized Westcott and Hort, believing they intentionally rejected the use of the Textus Receptus and they made changes to the text used in translation using their revised Greek text based mainly on the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus.

Sounds familiar
Cult begets cult it seems.
 

preston39

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Those who criticize the KJV need only direct me to a better one.......?

I doubt that will happen.
 

trofimus

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Those who criticize the KJV need only direct me to a better one.......?

I doubt that will happen.
First, define which area should be better.

Better OT source, better NT sources, more current English or what.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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There aren't very many people who criticise the KJV. Not in a manner of harshly condemning it. Claiming it's Satanically conceived and the like. Most of us read it to some degree if not always.The irrational prejudice is coming nearly exclusively from the KJVO freaks against any and all "modern bibles"
 

Dino246

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Those who criticize the KJV need only direct me to a better one.......?

I doubt that will happen.
You're missing the point. Some (not all) of the KJV-only proponents harshly criticize the other translations, and/or assert that the KJV is "pure" and "perfect" and is the only valid translation of the Scriptures in English, or even that it is "inspired". Some of us take issue with such attacks and assertions.

If you like the KJV, that's just fine; we have no issue with that, and at least one non-KJVo prefers the KJV to others. Most of us are at least comfortable with it. If you want to argue that the KJV is superior to all other translations in any non-subjective manner, step up and give it your best.

"Better" is subjective. Perhaps if you'd like to define "better" in an objective sense, there will be an answer for you. :)
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Angela Angela! Don't feed James 37! Or is it 46?

Don't feed The Count.
If no one else posts in his threads he might burn himself out. As long as we argue he'll never stop!


 
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If people actually read it and applied it then it becomes the living Word of Christ. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word. It is only to woefully obvious so called Christians prefer to work against the Word by continually fighting each other. Preferring to becoming involved in foolish contentions, using the Word to try and beat fellow Christians down rather than build them up. Spending more time reading it and praying as our Blessed Jesus tells us to do is preferable. This helps us see the pride we need to get rid of. That pride that leads to discussions as we have here where everyone is needing to show every one else who's wrong and wrong. So far I haven't found where that commandment appears in the Word. I have however come across two interesting ones. Love the Lord your God and love your fellow man.
 
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Those who criticize the KJV need only direct me to a better one.......?

I doubt that will happen.
ASV. The scholars in King James' day didn't know as much about Ancient Hebrew as we do today. It's the golden standard for most seminaries.

You're welcome, spread the word and end the madness.
 

preston39

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ASV. The scholars in King James' day didn't know as much about Ancient Hebrew as we do today. It's the golden standard for most seminaries.

You're welcome, spread the word and end the madness.
a...,

What knowledge was needed to do the following;

ASV;


Christ was created?....Christ as Creator attacked in Colossians 1:16 -

Problem with The Trinity?....Trinity attacked in 1st John 5:7 -

Confess sins to one aanother?....what is that all about; ....Changes confess “faults” to confess “sins” in James 5:16 -

Blood of Jesus is removed from Colossians 1:14 -

et al.

No need explaining. Been there analyzed that...to much there. Wish not to debate it again.

Suggest you carefully analyze the faulty re-interpretation.

Not for me.
 

graceNpeace

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M...,

In your opinion..when did this begin?
It is not an opinion - the whole KJVO thing kicked off with the writings of Peter Ruckman.

A simple Google search will find plenty of information.
Wikipedia also has a piece on Peter Ruckman and KJVO that provides an easy way to get into the subject.
 

preston39

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...........If you like the KJV, that's just fine; we have no issue with that, and at least one non-KJVo prefers the KJV to others. Most of us are at least comfortable with it. If you want to argue that the KJV is superior to all other translations in any non-subjective manner, step up and give it your best. ...
D...

For what reason?

Each to his own...The Bible says..."each is responsible for understanding and applying G-d's word to their righteous life.
 
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I think its comical that ppl act pious and spell the word God like this----> G-d, then have an image of a cross in their avatar. Lullz....
 

trofimus

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a...,

What knowledge was needed to do the following;

ASV;


Christ was created?....Christ as Creator attacked in Colossians 1:16 -

Problem with The Trinity?....Trinity attacked in 1st John 5:7 -

Confess sins to one aanother?....what is that all about; ....Changes confess “faults” to confess “sins” in James 5:16 -

Blood of Jesus is removed from Colossians 1:14 -

et al.

No need explaining. Been there analyzed that...to much there. Wish not to debate it again.

Suggest you carefully analyze the faulty re-interpretation.

Not for me.

"for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him"

Col 1:16, ASV

I am not sure what you think is attacked here.

Also, there are no "attacks on [something]" if its just a better translation of older sources.

Scientists do not attack your body temperature if they will give you a better thermometer. Your aggressive position seeing evil intention or fight everywhere is what is a problem, IMHO.
 

MarcR

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Those who criticize the KJV need only direct me to a better one.......?

I doubt that will happen.

This is NOT about criticizing the KJV! this is about defending other versions from KJVO slander.
 

fredoheaven

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This movement appears to have started with a Book entitled "Our Authorized Version Vindicated" by Benjamin Wilkinson, an SDA college president in 1930.

The movement was promoted by Peter Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, and Jack Chick in the mid to late 1940s and continuing into the 21st century.

Jerry Fallwell of Liberty College in Virginia has been an outspoken proponent in connection with his 'Moral Majority' movement.
Jerry Fallwell supported much the New King James Version rather than the KJV. He is not considered a KJVO man. I think of John Bunyan as KJVO also, further, The Orthodox Creed of 1679 was written by a group of General Baptists in England, with a desire to emphasize doctrines that were held in common by all Bible-believing Christians. The following is what they believed about the Bible: "And by the Holy Scriptures we understand the canonical books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English mother-tongue, of which there hath never been any doubt of their verity and authority in the protestant churches of Christ to this day. All which are given by the inspiration of God, to be the rule of faith and life."