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John146

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Is this not what you do when you sit in judgment over other translations?
The KJV has not been proven corrupt, so yes, it is the standard until proven otherwise.
 

John146

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The KJV has not been proven corrupt, so yes, it is the standard until proven otherwise.
And really it comes down to two choices:

1. The Majority text, the Byzantine line
2. The Minority text, the Alexandrian line
 

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The KJV has not been proven corrupt, so yes, it is the standard until proven otherwise.
The KJV is no more reliable than most other translations. It has its problems as do they all. It is certainly not the standard. But, if that is your conviction, then j
ust consider me the weaker brother and
in the words of Paul, "have as your own conviction before God."
 

John146

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The KJV is no more reliable than most other translations. It has its problems as do they all. It is certainly not the standard. But, if that is your conviction, then j
ust consider me the weaker brother and
in the words of Paul, "have as your own conviction before God."
Do you believe the RSV is the final authority on what God has said?
 

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Where do you go for your final authority on what God has said? (Multiple versions = self as final authority)
KJV only = KJV translators as final authority.

What part of "leave the KJV-only arguments out of this thread" did you not understand?
 

John146

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What do you want, a lesson in exegesis or manuscript comparison?
Let us hear how you believe the Alexandrian bible, the RSV, is better and more accurate than the KJV.
 
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Maybe miss spelled word corrections? I do not know personally never read it.
 
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Does anyone have an opinion on the old Revised Standard Version?
BI, (before Internet), I really hated changing Bibles. All my good notes were in my Bible, so always afraid I'd forget what I learned, when I swapped.

But, you know, handling a book a whole lot, and adding notes, pieces of paper and (stupidly) shoving a pen into the pages often enough kills the book sooner or later.

With that, in order of appearance, I had a KJV, then RSV, then NIV, then ESV, and then AI. (Age of Internet. lol)

(Still have the ESV. Probably because I do my studying through eSword and don't go to church, so don't have to take a Bible anywhere.)

That said. All four versions worked fine for me as long as I used them. Never really worried about which version, as long as it was a version, (versus a mere translation.)

RSV? Yeah. Sure. Why not?
 

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Let us hear how you believe the Alexandrian bible, the RSV, is better and more accurate than the KJV.
Son, I never claimed the RSV was better or more accurate than the KJV. You are the one spoiling for a fight trying to prove the superiority of the KJV over everything else. All I have said is that I believe the RSV to be a sound translation. I use it at times but I typically teach from either the NKJV or the NAS.
 
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Why do so many people search out new translations? Not condemning nor judging, just wondering why.
Maybe I am the strange one because I have never done so. Just always stayed with the one I began to study 55 years ago.
A. Versions, not translations. (I do NOT like translations. All they did was take a version and translated it to more modern language. I much prefer the scholars who research earliest MSS and translate from them. The difference is one is making a copy of a copy of a copy, and the other is making a copy of a copy.)

B. How in the world have you managed to stay with just one Bible in 55 years? The only way I've kept it down to a mere 4 Bibles in 46 years is because I eSword now. Less need to keep turning the pages. lol
 

John146

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Son, I never claimed the RSV was better or more accurate than the KJV. You are the one spoiling for a fight trying to prove the superiority of the KJV over everything else. All I have said is that I believe the RSV to be a sound translation. I use it at times but I typically teach from either the NKJV or the NAS.
Not "spoiling for a fight", just trying to see why people believe God's word is found in multiple versions that contradict one another. Why do people not trust a particular version to be right?
 
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Thanks for that technical information: I knew the RSV was an older version I didn't see around much, but didn't know this history of it . . .
Actually, don't buy Neh's sale pitch. He lies to promote his beliefs. I don't know how they came up with the RSV, but I absolutely know he lied about the ESV. (First time in my life I actually researched Bible versions to pick a new one, when old one was dying. It's been 15-20 years since I did that, but I know one of the criteria I had for the next Bible I got was how it was created. It had to include Bible scholars searching out the oldest MSS to translate, so absolutely not true the ESV is a "translation" of the RSV.) Neh's shtick has nothing to do with God. His shtick is to preach against whatever he disagrees with.

You know that old joke about how can you tell if Bill Clinton is lying? He opens his mouth.

Works for Neh too.
 
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Another KJV only nut job site - you must have all these on a Rolodex....


You got something against Rolodex?

(I miss rolodexes. Had I known they'd stop being manufactured, I would have bought extras. lol)
 
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The truth hurts, doesn't it? So dump on the truth-tellers instead of taking a serious look at the corrupted modern versions. If the Roman Catholics can love the RSV then we know there is a serious issue with it.
Neh, truthfully truth doesn't hurt.

Just thought you'd like to know, so maybe you'd try telling truth once in a while. When you discover it doesn't hurt, maybe you'll even enjoy it enough to stay in truth. It's good not to hurt.
 
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For those interested, here is where the RSV fits into the translational tree.

The RSV 1952 actually came down from the 1901 ASV which was a revision of the 1611 KJV. The 1611 KJV translation has its roots in the 1568 Bishop's Bible with minor contributions from the Latin version of the Geneva Bible. The Bishop's Bible was a later product of the 1539 Great Bible which came from the Matthew's Bible of 1538. The predecessor of the Matthew's Bible was the Tyndale Bible which was translated from the Erasmus text of 1526.
Thank you for that.

When I read the RSV was made in the 1940s, it felt like I was in my parent's era. I instantly wondered, yet again, why I don't like Frank Sinatra or Elvis Presley. But, 1950s? Whew! Cool! Now I know it's okay to like 1910 Fruitgum Company and Petula Clark! (References only we old timers will remember. lol)
 
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Guilty by association! LOL
The theological liberals used to drool over the old RSV, so if it was good enough for them, it is awful for me LOL.
Published in 1952, therefore it can no more be considered old than we can be considered old!
 

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Not "spoiling for a fight", just trying to see why people believe God's word is found in multiple versions that contradict one another. Why do people not trust a particular version to be right?
I think I have wasted enough time on you with this. You need to take you conspiracy theories and accusations of fraud, mishandling, and deception somewhere else. This all points to a great lack of knowledge on your part about the history of MSS evidence and the challenges of trying to determine which are the more favorable.