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charisenexcelcis

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Yes, y'all are correct, I'm some dufus here preaching heresy.

So tell us about Apostle Peter in your Avatar. When he ever was in Rome.? Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles in Rome. There is no evidence Peter was ever in Rome since he was The Apostle to the Jews in Jerusalem. Further more, if he was The "Pope" as the RCC teaches, why then did Paul write the Book of Romans, rather then Peter the "Pope'.....Holy Heresy!!
I do not believe that you are unintellegent. I believe that you are a Christian, since I believe that you have placed your faith and trust in Jesus Christ. You acknowledge that Jesus was God. I believe that there are some aspects of your doctrine which are wrong. I am more concerned with the legalistic aspects of your practice than the formula with which you baptize. I do not think that the wording of the early practices had any established formula. I believe that after the gospel of Matthew was completed and circulated, that the formula became standardized based upon the command of Jesus. I am not worried that a misplaced word would somehow invalidate the act of baptism.
 
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Originally Posted by forerunner

Like I said before you are nothing but hot air. you claim to have sound doctrine, yet you cannot give one single verse to support it.
This is a blatent lie as anyone reading my posts in this thread can plainly see.
Blatant lie? Well, I will ask again. Give one single verse of scripture that shows that the apostles baptized in the trinitarian formula rather than in the name of Jesus.

Here are verses that show how they baptized.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and in the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Acts 8 :16 For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.



Now can you supply one verse that say they baptized as you suggest we should. And if not why should I believe you over Jesus' own Apostles
 
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These are lies too Ricke. I worship the God of the Bible and follow the teaching of scripture. The metaphor I used was appropriate. The clear teaching of scripture, as I have shown, is that God exists in three persons: God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. I am an authentic Christian who does not worship idols.

You are 100% incorrect and have reverted completely to making false assertions about me.

Try to refocus back on the discussion. Thank you Lord for giving me the opportunity to correct Ricke's lies here.

I worship and praise your name Lord. Thank you for leading me into your truth. Amen.


You are more like an atheist than Ricke would ever be. At least he believe scripture over the teachings of man. You worshiop your doctrine rather than God.

Anything you value more than the truth of God's word is an idol. God's word tells us who we are to baptize and you reject it for you doctrine. God word tells us that there is but ONE GOD THE FATHER, yet you reject this truth for your doctrine. You sir are an idolater.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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You are more like an atheist than Ricke would ever be. At least he believe scripture over the teachings of man. You worshiop your doctrine rather than God.

Anything you value more than the truth of God's word is an idol. God's word tells us who we are to baptize and you reject it for you doctrine. God word tells us that there is but ONE GOD THE FATHER, yet you reject this truth for your doctrine. You sir are an idolater.
Jesus said that we are to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. You interpret that command to mean that we are to baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. It has been stated several time that this interpretation is by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has not told me so, so all I have to go on is your interpretation. You are a man. I will choose to believe scripture over the teachings of man.
It is not idolatry to be passionate for the word of God.

This is what it comes down to:
1. Scripture teaches that God is one.
2. Scripture teaches that Jesus is God.
3. Jesus speaks of and to the Father as a separate person. Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit as a separate person. The apostles and the writers of the New Testament speak of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as separate persons.

These are your possible conclusions:
1. Ignore one or more of these truths.
2. Espouse some form of trinitarianism
3. Join the scoffers in saying that the Bible contradicts itself.
 
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My previous posts have provided the answer, and much other insight, but I have serious doubts based on your replies that you have even read them. So I'll happily explain again to help you because I do know that God loves you very deeply despite your lies about me on this forum and the foolishness shown.

First the phrase “in the name of Jesus” has been twisted by the Oneness sect to narrow the formula of baptism to certain words.

They don't look at all of scripture and take it into consideration nor do they take into account what it actually says in the language it was written in: Greek.

Peter said, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins” (Acts 2:38).

(Sidenote: Peter isn't the originator of the baptismal forumula. Jesus, God the Son, gave the baptismal forumla as has already been shared after receiving the authority to do so from God the Father upon his resurrection).

Now the phrase “in the name of Jesus meant “by the authority of Jesus." What the Greek shows us is that Peter was saying that they should be baptized by the authority of Jesus. In other words, Peter was declaring that Jesus commanded baptism and this is what is meant by the phrase “in Jesus name.”

It is unfortunate that Oneness Pentecostalism has stumbled so badly with these scriptures. Acts was not written in English. It was translated into English. English is not Greek. It's important to note the distinction and be familiar with God's Word in it's original language so you avoid making the sorts of errors Oneness Doctrine does regarding it.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and in the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Acts 8 :16 For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
 
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Charisenexcelsius;

Thank you for your Christian words. This entire thread is beginning to Remind me of that famous movie line from "Cool Hand Luke" with Paul Newman.

The Warden tells the Prisoners..."What we have here, is a failure to Communicate".

I went from asking you good Christian Folks show me one verse in scripture, where the Apostles actually ever LITERALLY ever Baptized Anyone in the Triune formula mentioned in Matthew 28 v 19 spoken by Jesus...for the umteenth time where of where was this ever actually done, or shown.?

Peter obeyed Jesus when he Water Baptized the converts in JESUS' NAME. I have already submitted the evidence what Jesus was actually telling his Apostles to do in Matthew 28 v 19.

Jesus IS THE NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost my friends. Want to read the proof once again That Jesus is the Name of The Father, Son, Holy Ghost?

1. I John 2 v 1 "My little children. These things I write unto you that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate WITH THE FATHER,(comma) JESUS CHRIST the righteous."

2. John 5 v 43 Jesus said; "I Am come in MY FATHER'S NAME, and you receive me not, if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive".

3. Son's Name is Jesus....Matthew 1 v 25.

4. Name of The Holy Ghost......John 14 v 26; Jesus says; "But comforter which Is THE HOLY GHOST whom The FATHER (Jesus) will send in MY NAME......."

Well, you ask how did The Father wind up with The same Name as The Son? In the OT he was called a lot of names by The Jews. Such ad Jehovah, Yahweh, and others. But if you will open your Bible to Zechariah 14 v 9 here is the future prophecy about the change coming; " In THAT DAY there shall be ONE LORD, and HIS NAME ONE."

So now you see why it is no mystery to us who know why The Apostles all Baptized Converts in The Singular Name of Jesus and not three Titles.

Don't take my word for it, just please, go read it. And let us finally communicate here. Comprende?
 
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If I said, "I wrote down the name of the Doctor and the President and the Architect," you would know that they were three separate persons because of the word "the" preceding each of the titles. If I said, "I wrote down the name of the Doctor and Coroner," then you might think that the doctor and the coroner are one person and you would be gramatically correct.
Now look at Ephesians 1:3 "Blesssed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Notice that there is no "the" in front of "Father". In this way we know that "God" and "Father" are one person. Now look at Matthew 28:19, "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." So the weight of grammar is on the three being separate persons.
 
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Charisenexcelsius;

Thank you for your Christian words. This entire thread is beginning to Remind me of that famous movie line from "Cool Hand Luke" with Paul Newman.

The Warden tells the Prisoners..."What we have here, is a failure to Communicate".

I went from asking you good Christian Folks show me one verse in scripture, where the Apostles actually ever LITERALLY ever Baptized Anyone in the Triune formula mentioned in Matthew 28 v 19 spoken by Jesus...for the umteenth time where of where was this ever actually done, or shown.?

Peter obeyed Jesus when he Water Baptized the converts in JESUS' NAME. I have already submitted the evidence what Jesus was actually telling his Apostles to do in Matthew 28 v 19.

Jesus IS THE NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost my friends. Want to read the proof once again That Jesus is the Name of The Father, Son, Holy Ghost?

1. I John 2 v 1 "My little children. These things I write unto you that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate WITH THE FATHER,(comma) JESUS CHRIST the righteous."

2. John 5 v 43 Jesus said; "I Am come in MY FATHER'S NAME, and you receive me not, if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive".

3. Son's Name is Jesus....Matthew 1 v 25.

4. Name of The Holy Ghost......John 14 v 26; Jesus says; "But comforter which Is THE HOLY GHOST whom The FATHER (Jesus) will send in MY NAME......."

Well, you ask how did The Father wind up with The same Name as The Son? In the OT he was called a lot of names by The Jews. Such ad Jehovah, Yahweh, and others. But if you will open your Bible to Zechariah 14 v 9 here is the future prophecy about the change coming; " In THAT DAY there shall be ONE LORD, and HIS NAME ONE."

So now you see why it is no mystery to us who know why The Apostles all Baptized Converts in The Singular Name of Jesus and not three Titles.

Don't take my word for it, just please, go read it. And let us finally communicate here. Comprende?
I have read these passages. the John 14 verse is particualarly important as it stresses the separate personages of the Godhead. I have just posted on the Matthew passage. As I said, prior to the circulation of Matthew there was no standard baptismal formula and I really am not as concerned with this as you might imagine. I am concerned that you are not aware of all the stands of the UPC nor it's history. The UPC doctrine states that in order to receive the full salvation of God, you must repent, be baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and recieve the Holy Spirit as evidenced by glossalia. Would you agree with that?
 
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Greek scholars explain that while the expression eis to onoma (“in the name”) did not appear in Greek classical literature, it was very common in everyday documents with the meaning of “to the account of” in banking and commercial sales.

In Jewish literature, including the Old Testament, an equivalent of the Greek expression is frequently met, namely lešēm (le = “to,” šēm = “name”). The term has a very elastic sense. Basically it means “with respect to.”

Scholar P. Billerbeck gave an illustration of its use in his discussion of baptism in Matthew 28:19. An Israelite can circumcise a Samaritan, but not a Samaritan an Israelite, because the Samaritans circumcise “in the name of Mount Gerizim,” that is, with the obligation of worshiping the God of the Samaritans who is worshiped there (Str-B, 1054–55). In light of such evidence Billerbeck affirmed:

“Baptism grounds a relation between the triune God and the baptized, which the latter has to affirm and express through his confession to the God in whose name he is baptized.”

It is evident, therefore, that the Greek and Hebrew usages of “in the name” are remarkably similar in meaning, especially when applied to baptism, and they would be similarly interpreted in Greek-speaking and Hebrew-speaking circles, despite the greater elasticity of meaning in the Hebrew language.

Sometimes one finds in Paul a shorter expression, baptism eis Christon, which can be rendered either as “into Christ” or “to Christ,” and is possibly a conscious abbreviation of the full phrase “in the name of Christ” (see Rom 6:3–4; Gal 3:27).

Significantly, both the Greek preposition eis and the Hebrew prefix le can have the meaning “with respect to.”

Baptism in the name of Jesus was not regarded as inferior to baptism in the full three names of the Trinity. The priority of God’s action applies in the reconciliation of the world in Christ and in the reconciliation of each believer who accepts it (2 Cor 5:18–21). In baptism, therefore, the Lord appropriates the baptized for his own and the baptized owns Jesus as Lord and submits to his lordship... as your other verses show. It's obvious they do not; however, in any way prove that baptism to the account of Jesus Christ was in any way contradictory to His instructions to baptize "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."

In Paul’s letters, as in the book of Acts, baptism is represented as baptism to the account of Jesus. This is reflected in a significant manner in Paul’s handling of the divisions in the Corinthian church. He cites its members as saying, “I belong to Paul,” “I belong to Apollos,” “I belong to Cephas (= Peter),” “I belong to Christ” (1 Cor 1:12). Paul, with some indignation, asks, “Has Christ been apportioned to any single group among you? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?” This final question echoes the language of baptism in the name of Jesus; its use in the context suggests that its normal usage is to make a person a follower of Jesus, even to belong to him, and somehow to be involved in his crucifixion and enjoy a special relation to him.

The trinitarian formula that appears in Matthew 28:19, “baptize... in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” is absent in the verses you listed simply because none of our NT writers was concerned to construct a full-blown doctrine of the Trinity in the text for each baptismal reference.

Nevertheless, all the necessary ingredients to do so were present in our texts from the beginning, gathered up in the experience of Jewish Christians: “their inherited conception of God as ‘Father,’ their new faith in Christ as the ‘Son,’... and their experience of the Spirit which [had] been given as the earnest and guarantee of the coming New Age."

As time passed and Christian writers had more time to reflect, a gradual pulling together of these elements into a unified whole took shape.

The earlier expression “baptize... in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” reemerges in the Didache (7.1, 3), the earliest noncanonical writing to give the trinitarian form of baptism (Swete 1976, 19). Polycarp’s prayer at his martyrdom is the earliest instance of a doxology that glorifies the Spirit together with the Father and the Son: “I praise thee for all things, I bless thee, I glorify thee through the everlasting and heavenly high priest, Jesus Christ, thy beloved child, through whom be glory to thee with him and the Holy Spirit, both now and for the ages that are to come. Amen”
(Mart. Pol. 14.3; cf. also 22.1).

Baptism in the name of Jesus was not regarded as inferior to baptism in the full three names of the Trinity. Baptism was done to the account of Jesus Christ as He instructed "in the name of the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit." Baptism was to the account of Jesus Christ whose own baptism and instructions were Triune.

Truly scripture teaches One God in three persons. Praise God for revealing Himself to us completely.


Charisenexcelsius;

Thank you for your Christian words. This entire thread is beginning to Remind me of that famous movie line from "Cool Hand Luke" with Paul Newman.

The Warden tells the Prisoners..."What we have here, is a failure to Communicate".

I went from asking you good Christian Folks show me one verse in scripture, where the Apostles actually ever LITERALLY ever Baptized Anyone in the Triune formula mentioned in Matthew 28 v 19 spoken by Jesus...for the umteenth time where of where was this ever actually done, or shown.?

Peter obeyed Jesus when he Water Baptized the converts in JESUS' NAME. I have already submitted the evidence what Jesus was actually telling his Apostles to do in Matthew 28 v 19.

Jesus IS THE NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost my friends. Want to read the proof once again That Jesus is the Name of The Father, Son, Holy Ghost?

1. I John 2 v 1 "My little children. These things I write unto you that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate WITH THE FATHER,(comma) JESUS CHRIST the righteous."

2. John 5 v 43 Jesus said; "I Am come in MY FATHER'S NAME, and you receive me not, if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive".

3. Son's Name is Jesus....Matthew 1 v 25.

4. Name of The Holy Ghost......John 14 v 26; Jesus says; "But comforter which Is THE HOLY GHOST whom The FATHER (Jesus) will send in MY NAME......."

Well, you ask how did The Father wind up with The same Name as The Son? In the OT he was called a lot of names by The Jews. Such ad Jehovah, Yahweh, and others. But if you will open your Bible to Zechariah 14 v 9 here is the future prophecy about the change coming; " In THAT DAY there shall be ONE LORD, and HIS NAME ONE."

So now you see why it is no mystery to us who know why The Apostles all Baptized Converts in The Singular Name of Jesus and not three Titles.

Don't take my word for it, just please, go read it. And let us finally communicate here. Comprende?
 
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Charisenexcelsius;
Regarding your understanding of The Godhead
1. Jesus is God...correct

2 The Father is God.....correct again

3 The Father, and Son are separate persons, and operate independently from each other.....BIG WRONG..

Read these two for starters.; Jesus states in John 10 v 30 "I and My Father are ONE."

Can you or I or any male on this blog site make a statement like that and be telling the truth?

I and my Father are TWO separate persons, bodies, etc., so how is it Jesus says he and The Father are ONE.? If they were not ONE how could he make that statement?... The Answer...They are One.


In John 14 v 7-9 Apostle Philip confused, asks Jesus to "Show us The Father, and it will suffice us." Jesus looks him in the eye and tells Philip: Have I been so long time with you, and yet has thou not known me Philip? He that has seen ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest then, show us the Father"?

Jesus could say that, not only because He and The Father are ONE, but Jesus is The Express Image of God who is a Spirit and cannot be seen by humanity except robed in Flesh.

The same God also created himself in a Human Body and came down and conversed with Abraham and ate food with him in Genesis 18. If that is'nt being challenged by Trinity Beleivers,
then why is a big deal to not beleive Jesus and The Father are one and the same God just like The Father and his Theopony
Appeared to Abraham and were both One and The Same God.?

I beleive in The Father, Son, and The Holy Ghost but know for a fact they are not "individuals" or have separate feelings etc. I fully understand who he really is, and fully understand who God is, and how to explain The Godhead.
 
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I fully understand who he really is, and fully understand who God is, and how to explain The Godhead.
This whole statement right here proves you really have no idea whatsoever who God is. No man can fully understand God. This statement also is near blasphemous in my opinion.
 
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When are you folks going to show us one verse in the Scriptures where anyone was ever Baptized in "Father, Son, Holy Ghost"? Argue, insinuate, Debate, accuse.

SHOW US ONE VERSE. Then we will see who's right.

Really weary of hearing about this scholar or this Bible School Dean, or this Early Catholic Church Father said this or that. Just us the one verse....I rest my Case
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Please stop picking on AOK Guys,

"IBE"
 
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Charisenexcelsius;
Regarding your understanding of The Godhead
1. Jesus is God...correct

2 The Father is God.....correct again

3 The Father, and Son are separate persons, and operate independently from each other.....BIG WRONG..

Read these two for starters.; Jesus states in John 10 v 30 "I and My Father are ONE."

Can you or I or any male on this blog site make a statement like that and be telling the truth?

I and my Father are TWO separate persons, bodies, etc., so how is it Jesus says he and The Father are ONE.? If they were not ONE how could he make that statement?... The Answer...They are One.


In John 14 v 7-9 Apostle Philip confused, asks Jesus to "Show us The Father, and it will suffice us." Jesus looks him in the eye and tells Philip: Have I been so long time with you, and yet has thou not known me Philip? He that has seen ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest then, show us the Father"?

Jesus could say that, not only because He and The Father are ONE, but Jesus is The Express Image of God who is a Spirit and cannot be seen by humanity except robed in Flesh.

The same God also created himself in a Human Body and came down and conversed with Abraham and ate food with him in Genesis 18. If that is'nt being challenged by Trinity Beleivers,
then why is a big deal to not beleive Jesus and The Father are one and the same God just like The Father and his Theopony
Appeared to Abraham and were both One and The Same God.?

I beleive in The Father, Son, and The Holy Ghost but know for a fact they are not "individuals" or have separate feelings etc. I fully understand who he really is, and fully understand who God is, and how to explain The Godhead.
Yes. I can say that you and I are one. One is an adjective. The question is: one what? You and I are one race. You and I are one sex. You and I are one sex. You and I are one faith. This is the same with God. There is a profound unity in the Godhead, one that even I as an individual do not possess. But I cannot ignore the way that Jesus addressed the Father or the way He refered to the Spirit. I affirm there is one God. I see in scripture that the three persons of the Godhead are in absolute unity of will and purpose. But they are self aware and they have relationship with one another. This relationship is eternal. One God, three persons.
 
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3 The Father, and Son are separate persons, and operate independently from each other.....BIG WRONG..
We've been through all of this Ricke. Remember our discussion on the functional roles filled by the three persons of our one God. It still applies.

You are showing nothing by your post except that you don't read my posts much and have an incorrect understanding of God.
 
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Peter said, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins” (Acts 2:38).

(Sidenote: Peter isn't the originator of the baptismal forumula. Jesus, God the Son, gave the baptismal forumla as has already been shared after receiving the authority to do so from God the Father upon his resurrection).
We have one of two options at this point.
#1 Peter was in total rebellion to the instruction of Jesus, and everyone baptized by the origional church was baptized incorrectly
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#2 Peter knew what Jesus meant when He commanded him to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and did as Christ said baptizing then in the singular name of the Father, Son, and holy spirit. Which is Jesus

If #1 is true we need to throw our bibles out and find a new modal to follow other than the apparent apostate church of Acts.

If #2 is correct then you and your trinitarian friends are wrong.

I will go with Peter and the Bible. You do as you please.
 
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Jesus expressed Humility to His Spiritual side ( The Father) because The Spiritual side is Stronger then The Flesh side of Jesus or any of us who have his Spirit. Read Matthew 26v 41...
 
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We have one of two options at this point.
#1 Peter was in total rebellion to the instruction of Jesus, and everyone baptized by the origional church was baptized incorrectly
or
#2 Peter knew what Jesus meant when He commanded him to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and did as Christ said baptizing then in the singular name of the Father, Son, and holy spirit. Which is Jesus

If #1 is true we need to throw our bibles out and find a new modal to follow other than the apparent apostate church of Acts.

If #2 is correct then you and your trinitarian friends are wrong.

I will go with Peter and the Bible. You do as you please.
Option #3: The actual formula wasn't as important as the heart. Peter wasn't in rebellion and possible even used the trinitarian formula but didn't make it a point of preaching.
 
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Option #3: The actual formula wasn't as important as the heart.
I agree
Peter wasn't in rebellion
I agree

and possible even used the trinitarian formula
I disagree

but didn't make it a point of preaching
The fact He preach on how one should be baptized.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 
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Nonsense, you're running another flawed script of logical fallacy from the Oneness playbook. As has already been stated, the trinitarian formula that appears in Matthew 28:19, “baptize... in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” is absent in the verses listed simply because none of our NT writers was concerned to construct a full-blown doctrine of the Trinity in the text for each baptismal reference.

I am going with all of scripture, Jesus, Peter, the Apostles, and the Apostolic and early church. You are going with Oneness Pentecostal error.

We have one of two options at this point.
#1 Peter was in total rebellion to the instruction of Jesus, and everyone baptized by the origional church was baptized incorrectly
or
#2 Peter knew what Jesus meant when He commanded him to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and did as Christ said baptizing then in the singular name of the Father, Son, and holy spirit. Which is Jesus

If #1 is true we need to throw our bibles out and find a new modal to follow other than the apparent apostate church of Acts.

If #2 is correct then you and your trinitarian friends are wrong.

I will go with Peter and the Bible. You do as you please.
 
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I agree
I agree

I disagree

The fact He preach on how one should be baptized.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The formula is not the point of this, however this is classic UPC and fits into their definition of full salvation, i.e. repentance, baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and baptism in the Holy Spirit with the initial physical evidence of glossalia.

You are the closer, aren't you? Called in after those with less experience are over their heads. Time for some research.