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That's better than planting a false flag. 
Back to the OP, women can have all kinds of ministries, but they are forbidden from preaching, teaching, and usurping authority within the local assembly. Of course, some women will want the forbidden fruit, just like Eve. And it is precisely because of Eve that women are barred from such ministries. Your OT examples should be put on the shelf to gather dust.
Back to the OP, women can have all kinds of ministries, but they are forbidden from preaching, teaching, and usurping authority within the local assembly. Of course, some women will want the forbidden fruit, just like Eve. And it is precisely because of Eve that women are barred from such ministries. Your OT examples should be put on the shelf to gather dust.
Women' s rights during Paul's time
1 Cor 14:
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
(NOTE: This was Roman law. In a public assembly, a man could ask questions, even interrupt the speaker to ask a question. Women did not enjoy the same rights. Now reread what Paul is saying in vs 33)
1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
(NOTE: Context, to teach or usurp authority """over the man""" She lost her decision making equality Gen 3:16 (B). However, older women had an obligation to be examples for, instructors of & teachers for younger women)
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
(NOTE: If in fact; a woman has no value & can't speak. What would be the point of giving her a prophesy to edify ALL? (See 1 Cor 14:4). The overall context is authority "over the man" in a public setting.)
1 Cor 14:
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
(NOTE: This was Roman law. In a public assembly, a man could ask questions, even interrupt the speaker to ask a question. Women did not enjoy the same rights. Now reread what Paul is saying in vs 33)
1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
(NOTE: Context, to teach or usurp authority """over the man""" She lost her decision making equality Gen 3:16 (B). However, older women had an obligation to be examples for, instructors of & teachers for younger women)
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
(NOTE: If in fact; a woman has no value & can't speak. What would be the point of giving her a prophesy to edify ALL? (See 1 Cor 14:4). The overall context is authority "over the man" in a public setting.)
I did not say "put the OT on the shelf". I said Your OT examples should be put on the shelf to gather dust. Looks like you are always hunting for trouble and ready to take offense. So it's time to put the chip on your shoulder on the shelf.
There is no doubt that a few women are mentioned in the Old Testament in prominent positions. At the same time when Miriam -- the sister of Moses -- tried to usurp authority, she was stricken with leprosy. So turning to the OT for guidance as to the roles of men and women in the local church is about as foolish as turning to the rites and rituals of the Old Covenant to be right with God.
The New Testament has given us very clear teaching on the limitations of women within the home and the church. That does not mean that they cannot have a whole universe of ministries outside those limitations. Indeed, Paul instructs the older Christian women to teach the younger women what they should do and not do. And many women were opening their homes to Christians for meetings, as well as providing hospitality and financial support to the apostles and Christian missionaries. But the primary role of women in in their homes according to Scripture, and both Paul and Peter teach on this extensively.
There is no doubt that a few women are mentioned in the Old Testament in prominent positions. At the same time when Miriam -- the sister of Moses -- tried to usurp authority, she was stricken with leprosy. So turning to the OT for guidance as to the roles of men and women in the local church is about as foolish as turning to the rites and rituals of the Old Covenant to be right with God.
The New Testament has given us very clear teaching on the limitations of women within the home and the church. That does not mean that they cannot have a whole universe of ministries outside those limitations. Indeed, Paul instructs the older Christian women to teach the younger women what they should do and not do. And many women were opening their homes to Christians for meetings, as well as providing hospitality and financial support to the apostles and Christian missionaries. But the primary role of women in in their homes according to Scripture, and both Paul and Peter teach on this extensively.
That's better than planting a false flag. Back to the OP, women can have all kinds of ministries, but they are forbidden from preaching, teaching, and usurping authority within the local assembly. Of course, some women will want the forbidden fruit, just like Eve. And it is precisely because of Eve that women are barred from such ministries. Your OT examples should be put on the shelf to gather dust.
Back to the OP, women can have all kinds of ministries, but they are forbidden from preaching, teaching, and usurping authority within the local assembly. Of course, some women will want the forbidden fruit, just like Eve. And it is precisely because of Eve that women are barred from such ministries. Your OT examples should be put on the shelf to gather dust.
Considering the teaching of 1 Corintians 11, which begins with the command, "You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ." and the following exhortation to, "understand that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."
We can go to John 8 for an idea of the example of that which Paul imitates in Christ honoring God as His head, as He explains in verse 49 saying, "I do not have a demon," Jesus replied, "but I honor my Father, and you dishonor Me." and in verse 50 saying, "I do not seek My own glory, there is One who seeks it, and He is the Judge." 51"Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death."
And then after the Jews doth protested too much, Jesus continues in verse 54 answering, "If I glorify Myself, My glory means nothing. The One who glorifies Me is My Father, of whom you say, 'He is our God.'..."
Now, in keeping the order of authority and relative to understanding that the head of the every man being Christ, we see Jesus transferring His authority saying, "Behold, I give you authority to trample serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy..." and can examine how this might look relative to the head of the woman being man (note to self, research whether usage of 'man' is correctly understood as singular or plural relative to the use of the singular in reference to 'the woman').
And arrive at 1 Corinthians 11:10 which discusses the roles of worship which says, "For this reason a woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.", and wherein the KJV says, "For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels."
This 'reason' or 'cause' is explained as her handicap, methinks, that she, indeed, is considered the weaker vessel, not unlike that man is the weaker in comparison to Christ, I would suppose, and so greatly benefits by that [sign of] authority bestowed to her by the man. What then, of her, and the state of the church in general, if this is systematically withheld from her?
We can go to John 8 for an idea of the example of that which Paul imitates in Christ honoring God as His head, as He explains in verse 49 saying, "I do not have a demon," Jesus replied, "but I honor my Father, and you dishonor Me." and in verse 50 saying, "I do not seek My own glory, there is One who seeks it, and He is the Judge." 51"Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death."
And then after the Jews doth protested too much, Jesus continues in verse 54 answering, "If I glorify Myself, My glory means nothing. The One who glorifies Me is My Father, of whom you say, 'He is our God.'..."
Now, in keeping the order of authority and relative to understanding that the head of the every man being Christ, we see Jesus transferring His authority saying, "Behold, I give you authority to trample serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy..." and can examine how this might look relative to the head of the woman being man (note to self, research whether usage of 'man' is correctly understood as singular or plural relative to the use of the singular in reference to 'the woman').
And arrive at 1 Corinthians 11:10 which discusses the roles of worship which says, "For this reason a woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.", and wherein the KJV says, "For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels."
This 'reason' or 'cause' is explained as her handicap, methinks, that she, indeed, is considered the weaker vessel, not unlike that man is the weaker in comparison to Christ, I would suppose, and so greatly benefits by that [sign of] authority bestowed to her by the man. What then, of her, and the state of the church in general, if this is systematically withheld from her?
That's better than planting a false flag. Back to the OP, women can have all kinds of ministries, but they are forbidden from preaching, teaching, and usurping authority within the local assembly. Of course, some women will want the forbidden fruit, just like Eve. And it is precisely because of Eve that women are barred from such ministries. Your OT examples should be put on the shelf to gather dust.
Back to the OP, women can have all kinds of ministries, but they are forbidden from preaching, teaching, and usurping authority within the local assembly. Of course, some women will want the forbidden fruit, just like Eve. And it is precisely because of Eve that women are barred from such ministries. Your OT examples should be put on the shelf to gather dust.