Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

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If you believe Jesus taught against, or differently than He taught as God of the Old Testament, then you are a victim of this warning. My hope is that you will turn and "Take Heed" to listen to and believe all of Christ's Words, not just the ones that can be used to promote some religious traditions.
Christ's law doesn't contradict Moses' law in any way. Loving others (Christ's law) is everything the law of Moses demands and is accomplished without following a list of rules.
 
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Christ's law doesn't contradict Moses' law in any way. Loving others (Christ's law) is everything the law of Moses demands and is accomplished without following a list of rules.
Righteousness is accomplished by following the inward spiritual guidance of a living being rather the external observation of rules.
 

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Opinion after opinion attracting agreement and disagreement..

Work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling...

We climb up on our soapbox and preach the Gospel according to our own understanding.. and find likeminded or those that refute to like or dislike along the way.

One Gracious GOD and One gift of Salvation.. when darkness comes Grace and mercy will be our plea.. for we are mere creations of an Almighty Good GOD where everlasting life depends not on our merit but the Good Lord’s sacrifice for our Salvation.


I climb down from my soapbox and salute you all in peace and love for my tupence is spent for today.
 
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I would offer the problem is men not mixing faith, as a work of God that works in them to both will and do His good pleasure in what they do hear from him.. The use of word faith as to whose and how it works is where things can get side tracked .

Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY, every hour, every waking minute !

Somehow or other the paraphrases had a hard time interpreting the verses that spoke of the Sabbath. A word that means rest. It is not a time sensitive word adding time to it like Saturday, or Sunday or the word week destroys the intent I believe. , Any time we hear the word of God and His Sprit works in us so that we can believe Him not seen we have entered that imputed rest.

Again study the meaning of "mixed with faith in them that heard it".It is the key to understanding His rest (Sabbath) ...every-time we do not harden our hearts .

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
(no faith) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. Heb 4:1
 
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Christ's law doesn't contradict Moses' law in any way. Loving others (Christ's law) is everything the law of Moses demands and is accomplished without following a list of rules.
There is only one Christ, which is the Lawgiver. There is no "Christ's Law vs. Moses Law". there is one law as Jesus said.

49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Moses didn't create his own law, Moses gave the people the Word's Christ gave to him. Like the scripture says "I and My Father are one". If you have been convinced that the Christ that gave Word's to Moses is different than the Christ that became a man, or if you are convinced that the Word's are different between the Christ of yesterday, from the Christ of today, then I must disagree as scripture is clear there is no difference.
 

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Righteousness is accomplished by following the inward spiritual guidance of a living being rather the external observation of rules.
This is mainstream preaching of today. Yet Jesus said:

21 He that hath my commandments (Rules), and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:(Rules) and the word (Rules) which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

As it is written "Go and sin (Break God's Rules) no more.
 
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There is only one Christ, which is the Lawgiver. There is no "Christ's Law vs. Moses Law". there is one law as Jesus said.

49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Moses didn't create his own law, Moses gave the people the Word's Christ gave to him. Like the scripture says "I and My Father are one". If you have been convinced that the Christ that gave Word's to Moses is different than the Christ that became a man, or if you are convinced that the Word's are different between the Christ of yesterday, from the Christ of today, then I must disagree as scripture is clear there is no difference.
That's obviously false. GOD only gives his law through men. Christ did not give the law to Moses; the logos did and he was not a man because Christ hadn't been born yet. GOD made clear to Moses that another man was coming after him who would give new law. Christ himself said that the law of Moses was not his law and that his law was supreme (Moses said ..., but I Jesus say...). You are simply muddying the water by conflating the two. There is different law for different covenants.
 
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This is mainstream preaching of today. Yet Jesus said:

21 He that hath my commandments (Rules), and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:(Rules) and the word (Rules) which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

As it is written "Go and sin (Break God's Rules) no more.
Jesus' commandment is love and faith. There's nothing in Moses' law that requires anything more than this. If you think otherwise, name that commandment.

And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.1 John 3:23
 

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Hardly....
like your standard accusation that the RCC is responsible for Sunday worship.
I will believe God and the bible warnings on this one,
not man made traditions.

post #125 The beast was [ the Roman empire], how to id.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ho-woman-jerusalem-vs-rome-7.html#post3491104

post #167 Rome was dealt [a deadly wound]
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ho-woman-jerusalem-vs-rome-9.html#post3493434

post #168 1st resurrection of the Holy roman empire
post #169 Counting Justinian’s empire, there have been six major,
historically documented resurrections of the so-called Holy Roman Empire
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ho-woman-jerusalem-vs-rome-9.html#post3493437

post #170 the “little horn,” is the Catholic Church.
post #171 Nicolaitans "those who prevailed over the people."
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ho-woman-jerusalem-vs-rome-9.html#post3493449

Post# 172 I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children”


And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people,
lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.


And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
 
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Righteousness is accomplished by following the inward spiritual guidance
of a living being rather the external observation of rules.
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand,
just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit
the kingdom of God.

“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many,
I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.



The righteous will never be removed,
But the wicked will not inhabit the earth.
 

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That's obviously false. GOD only gives his law through men. Christ did not give the law to Moses; the logos did and he was not a man because Christ hadn't been born yet. GOD made clear to Moses that another man was coming after him who would give new law. Christ himself said that the law of Moses was not his law and that his law was supreme (Moses said ..., but I Jesus say...). You are simply muddying the water by conflating the two. There is different law for different covenants.
Well the Jesus of the Bible created "ALL THINGS". I might cause your religious traditions to be muddied, but not the Word of God.

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

I know there is another Jesus being preached as we have been warned of. The Jesus of the Bible was the God of Abraham, that gave Moses His Laws, before He became flesh.

You have been tricked by the "MANY" who come in Christ's name to deceive as Jesus forewarned us. God's Word is not false as you imply, it is the religious traditions of man that is false. AS Jesus said "I and My Father are one." and again, "Let God be true and every man a liar".

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

This is my Jesus. He created all things, including the instructions given to us through Moses. I know this isn't taught by the religious franchises of today, but it is taught by the Word. Jesus warned of this very thing.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
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For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

I might also note that Jesus called Abraham "Your father" here to the Pharisees. Are you then preaching that Abraham is only the father of the Jews, and not the Father of us all?
 

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Jesus' commandment is love and faith. There's nothing in Moses' law that requires anything more than this. If you think otherwise, name that commandment.

And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.1 John 3:23
The Law given by Jesus, as God, to Moses include all we need for "instruction in Righteousness", the Law commands "mercy" "Faith" "Love" and justice.

The Pharisees taught some things, as did the serpent to Eve, but as Jesus said;

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus confirmed this again in Matt. 5 when He corrected their preaching.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:

The Pharisees didn't teach this part of the Law of Moses, just like they didn't teach "mercy" and "Faith". But Jesus did give Moses this instruction.

Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Everything Jesus mentioned was first taught in the Law and Prophets. It is a deception to say Jesus was talking about Moses when He said "Them of old time". Yet, that is what most of the preachers "Who come in Christ's name" preach.

It is these foundational errors that people are tricked into believing that I hope to expose with His Word. Most will just get angry and ignore, but even if only one person accepts God's Word over the religious traditions of man it will be worth the scorn.
 
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The Law given by Jesus, as God, to Moses include all we need for "instruction in Righteousness", the Law commands "mercy" "Faith" "Love" and justice.
Sure the law is excellent for instruction in righteousness. Paul calls it a school teacher. However, at this point that's all it is. It's far, far superior to follow the voice of the lawgiver himself within one's heart, which the new covenant made possible, than it is to follow an outward list of dos and don'ts that he made for those under an obsolete covenant. The former is for spiritually mature adults, the latter is for spiritual children, so to speak.
 

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Sure the law is excellent for instruction in righteousness. Paul calls it a school teacher. However, at this point that's all it is. It's far, far superior to follow the voice of the lawgiver himself within one's heart, which the new covenant made possible, than it is to follow an outward list of dos and don'ts that he made for those under an obsolete covenant. The former is for spiritually mature adults, the latter is for spiritual children, so to speak.
I know the preaching, it's just that the Jesus of the Bible does not teach it.

The New covenant was the "change" of the Priesthood, not God's Instructions. But to understand this one must cherish all God's Word's. Mainstream Preachers of today preach that much of God's Words don't matter to the "spiritual Adult". This is basically the same tactic the serpent used on Eve?

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof,(reject His Rules) then your eyes shall be opened,(You will become a Spiritual Adult) and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

I appreciate the conversation, I have made the case for my point, you don't agree.

Thanks you for your kindness.
 

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the voice of the lawgiver himself within one's heart
The Voice

GENESIS 26
[3]Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee,
and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH
WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father;

[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed
all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

[5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge,
MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Abraham was observing to keep Gods 10 commandments
He heard and obeyed Gods "voice".

DEUT. 27
[8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly.

[9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed,
and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God .

[10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and
DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

The voice of the words

DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire:
ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

[13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED
YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote
them upon two tables of stone.

ZEPHANIAH 3
[1] Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city!
[2] SHE OBEYED NOT THE VOICE; she received not correction; she trusted not in the
LORD; she drew not near to her God. [3] Her princes within her are ROARING LIONS;
her judges are evening WOLVES; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.

[4] Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted
the sanctuary, THEY HAVE DONE VIOLENCE TO THE LAW.
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JOHN 10
[27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me:

[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Also Gods sheep shall also hear His “voice”.

HEBREWS 4 [6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they
to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time;
as it is said, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts.

This was prophecied to happen.

DEUTERONOMY 4
[26] I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish
from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days
upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.

[27] And THE LORD SHALL SCATTER YOU AMONG THE NATIONS, and ye shall
be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.

[28] And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone,
which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

[29] But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.


[30] When thou art in TRIBULATION, and all these things are come upon thee,
even in THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be OBEDIENT UNTO HIS VOICE;

[31] For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither
destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
 
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Sure the law is excellent for instruction in righteousness. Paul calls it a school teacher. However, at this point that's all it is. It's far, far superior to follow the voice of the lawgiver himself within one's heart, which the new covenant made possible, than it is to follow an outward list of dos and don'ts that he made for those under an obsolete covenant. The former is for spiritually mature adults, the latter is for spiritual children, so to speak.
Paul taught that there were two laws, the Law of Works and the Law of Faith. (Rom. 3) The Law of Works referred to the ceremonial sacrificial Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. It is this Law of Works Paul spoke to in Galatians.

Regarding the Law of Faith that we will be judged by Paul said this:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.


But sadly, Mainstream Christianity doesn't preach this truth. We are not judged by the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial Laws given to the Levites, these were to lead those to Christ and what He did for them. This isn't speaking to the Law in which God will judge the world by.

It's in your Bible, but not taught by modern religious franchise owners. I hope maybe you might consider the warnings and look into. But that is all I can do.

thanks for the reply:^)
 
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Abraham was observing to keep Gods 10 commandments
He heard and obeyed Gods "voice".
You just made that up. There were no 10 commandments then. The commands that Abraham followed were to do what GOD said, like leave his country and family, sojourn in a foreign land, live by faith and do righteousness, circumcise himself and all of the men under his authority, offer up Isaac for sacrifice, etc.
 

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No I did not.

Do you know the 7th day was a rest day, it's recorded in
most every language in the current world.

This happened because back before the tower of babel
and dispersion, the 7th day was known as a Sabbath rest.

This history alone proves the 7th day was already known [before Abram]
 
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You just made that up. There were no 10 commandments then.
The commands that Abraham followed were to do what GOD said, like leave his country and family,
sojourn in a foreign land, live by faith and do righteousness, circumcise himself and all of the men
under his authority, offer up Isaac for sacrifice, etc.
BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge,
MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

Please show [Where] MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS Changed back then
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory,
and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God,
and the promises;

The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let [my name]
be named on them, [and the name] of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;
and let them grow into a multitude in [the midst of the earth].
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1 Chronicles 16:17
And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Psalms 105:10
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Psalms 78:5
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel,
which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known
to their children:

Isaiah 42:24
Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord,
he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways,
neither were they obedient unto his law.
to Israel for an everlasting covenant: So you think God lied to them?

Hosea 1:10 (KJV)
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be
measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto
them,Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them,Ye are the sons of the living God.

Jeremiah 33:22 (KJV)
As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured:
so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

Genesis 22:17 (KJV)
That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars
of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess
the gate of his enemies;

Genesis 32:12 (KJV)
And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea,
which cannot be numbered for multitude.

Hebrews 11:12-
Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the
stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

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Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great
in the kingdom of heaven.
 
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21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the[d] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
 
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