Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

Shamah · Mar 24, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and possessing the Witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 10:45, “For even the Son of Aḏam did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”[/FONT]

Ariel82 · Mar 24, 2018

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TcFRbuIbyoE

Ariel82 · Mar 24, 2018

prove-all said:

I believe in Amillennialism.

That the feast of tabernacle refers to having the Holy spirit living inside us and that we are His holy temples.

Everyone who reject Jesus and His gospel are given the plagues of Egypt.

You don't agree. We have established that.

Apparently the reason why is that you prefer the convenant at Sinai to the New Covenant Jesus established.

The living waters (the gospel message and baptism of the Holy spirit) did go out of Jerusalem to all nations.

Ariel82 · Mar 24, 2018

Yeah I haven't study any of Ellen White's teachings either. Main reason I haven't really,commented....plus it's not in the Bible so I don't really feel a desire to really read them at this time.

Same with the false accusations about getting my beliefs from Catholic sources....haven't read many of them either.

I recognize many people have man made traditions they cherish....my question is it Biblically based? Is it harmful? Does it lead people to trust more in Jesus or more in a false idol of their creation?

prove-all · Mar 24, 2018

Ariel82 said:

What you refuse to believe is Gods Kingdom and rule is coming to earth soon.
You refuse to believe that the 7th thousand years, that the Sabbath points to.
You have to discard tons of verses about the time in the mill. to do this.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2018

Ariel82 said:

Christmas, new year, easter are all man made holidays today,
that are observed instead of Gods ordained Sabbaths.

beta · Mar 24, 2018

Ariel82 said:

You saying it is disobedience and unbelief to keep the 10 Commandments ? Are you for real ?
JESUS the express image of God kept them....but then of course you are not following the real Jesus who is Lord of the Sabbath...but an imposter from Rome who nailed the Fathers Commandments to the cross, a false christ we are warned against. The REAL Jesus did not come to abolish the law of God the 10 Commandments.
If you are talking about the commandments contained in ordinances they have been fulfilled and no longer apply....
but I am speaking of the holy Commandments of God which are spiritual and eternal, holy just and good Rom 7 !!! these are what JESUS is preaching...to LOVE God and neighbour ! how can they be nailed to the cross and abolished ?

Ariel82 · Mar 24, 2018

Yeah you would misrepresent what I said.

I said Jesus abolished the letter of the law by showing the true spiritual meaning behind ALL THE LAWS GIVEN ON MOUNT SINAI.

It is disobedience to look only at the letter and not the Spirit as Jesus taught but you refuse to listen and learn about.

The Sabbath is about SEEKING FIRST THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and not worrying about working for food and clothes but working for God's kingdom to grow on Earth as it is now established in Heaven.

Stop looking always at Sinai and look to Jesus and His teachings....the deeper spiritual purpose for the laws given.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2018

Jeremiah: 31 "The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make
a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah..........

"For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

In order to understand about the new covenant[that forgives our sins], we must
see about the old covenant. This old covenant is what led the Israelites out of Egypt.

Exodus: 12. 10. Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it.
11. This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your
feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the Lord's Passover.

12. "On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both
people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord.

13. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood,
I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.

14. "This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come
you shall celebrate it as a festival to the Lord—a lasting ordinance.

On the 14th day of the first month, according to the sacred calendar, was the night God
gave the Israelites instructions on how to make this last plague pass over God's people.
They had to eat the flesh of the lamb and put the blood around the door to be protected.

the old covenant God made, the Passover, which is suppose to be kept as an lasting ordinance.
Then what's the new covenant that will make God never remember our sins anymore?

Matthew: 26. 26. While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks,
he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body."

27. Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying,
"Drink from it, all of you. 28. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out
for many for the forgiveness of sins.

The reality of the flesh and blood is actually bread and wine. The reality of the lamb
that was sacrificed on the night of the Passover is actually Christ, who is known as
the Lamb also. So let's see what they were eating that night.

Matthew: 26. 17. On the first day of [the Festival] of Unleavened Bread, the disciples
came to Jesus and asked, "Where do you want us to make preparations for you to
eat the Passover?" 18. He replied, "Go into the city to a certain man and tell him,

[the Festival refered here is the whole 8 days, one day of Passover, and 7 days U.B.]

'The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover
with my disciples at your house.'" 19. So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them
and prepared the Passover.

They ate the Passover. So let's confirm again that this is the New covenant God
mentioned to Jeremiah in the old testament.

Luke: 22. 19. And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying,
"This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." 20. In the same way,
after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant [or testament ]
in my blood, which is poured out for you.

-So many Christians say, we don't have to do the Passover, so let's see if the apostles
kept Passover after Jesus ascended to heaven.

1 Corinthians: 11. 23. For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you:
The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24. and when he had
given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you;
do this in remembrance of me."

25. In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new
covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

-this very well falls under the [meat] and [drink] mentioned in Col.16

26. For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death
until he comes. 27. So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in
an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.

What was the night the Lord was betrayed? It was the night of the Passover.
So if we don't keep God's covenant for sins can we say we are doing God's will? No.

If you subtract Passover and add any other bread and wine ceremony, can you
say it has the same promise as the Passover? That is up to your discernment.

That's why the bible says:

Matthew: 7. 21. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name
and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'

23. Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

So should we our should we not keep Passover correctly?

Ariel82 · Mar 24, 2018

Not that it's relevant to this discussion but to those interested an article explaining Daniel 7 and how Jesus KINGDOM has been established in Heaven.

I may not agree with everything they post about all of the Bible, but I agree with most of this article.

Daniel 7: A Preterist Commentary - Revelation Revolution

Ariel82 · Mar 24, 2018

Passover is now commonly called the Lord supper or communion and not just a yearly observance.

Did Jesus command people to keep the Seder meal? To slaughter a lamb?

No He gave them wine and bread. It's in the Bible that communion was not just offered once a year but every time the saints came together in remembrance that Jesus is our Daily bread, manna from Heaven.

Ariel82 · Mar 24, 2018

1 Corinthians 11

17But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse. 18For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part,e 19for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized. 20When you come together, it is not the Lord’s supper that you eat. 21For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk. 22What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.

23For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is forf you. Do this in remembrance of me.”g 25In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

27Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.h 31But if we judgedi ourselves truly, we would not be judged. 32But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplinedj so that we may not be condemned along with the world.

33So then, my brothers,k when you come together to eat, wait forl one another— 34if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home—so that when you come together it will not be for judgment.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2018

Ariel82 said:

If anyone would like an honest look at Daniel and the Holy roman empire.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ath-should-kept-every-day-35.html#post3504407

Blik · Mar 24, 2018

prove-all said:

Men started adding their doctrines to the word that gives us facts very soon after Christ rose from the dead.

When the Romans killed off the Hebrew Christian fathers, gentiles led the Christians. These gentiles knew all their mothers had taught them about how to worship idols and when to celebrate in their name, but they did not know about the Father God as the Jewish Christian fathers did. So we have their doctrines mixed in with the truth of the Lord.

If we obeyed the Lord and listened only to His word in the scriptures we are given there would be no question about the Sabbath. Every reason to keep it given here is from scripture, every reason to disobey is from men.

The only exception is when one isolated scripture is given, and we then do not hear it given as a reason, but we hear men's interpretation of that scripture given as a reason. Every one of God's principles is given to us in at least two scriptures. There is a scripture about dates and times, but there is no scripture telling us to ignore that God blessed the seventh day and we are to honor it.

God created us, we need to obey the Lord. We are obeying Clement, Origen, Constantine, Luther, or Jerome instead of our God. If we listened ONLY to the word as scripture gives it to us there would be no question about the truth of what is right.

Pythons · Mar 24, 2018

Studyman said:

You're forgiven,

If you go back and read the O.P. you'll see the Author is clear....
...Some folks believe that one should observe the Sabbath as a Jew.
...In addition some believe it's a matter of salvation to do so.

For those individuals who believe to be saved you must observe Sabbath as Jews...
...Their authority is the testimony of a self-identified prophet who didn't use Scripture.
...But instead said she spoke with E.T.'s off world who told her the "Sabbath Truth".

If you go back and re-read the numerous posts in this thread....
...Of folks who don't understand where this obsession with Saturday comes from.
...You'll see / understand my post to be informative & related to the question.

It also doesn't hurt that the O.P. has "liked" the points that I've made.

To clarify my understanding on this topic I would suggest...
..That the ceremonial law has passed away - been fulfilled by Christ.
..The Moral aspect of the Sabbath Commandment is we OWE worship to God.

Thus, it's still a moral obligation to render unto God worship....
...However the TIMING this is done is ceremonial - not important.
...One may views 1 day MORE important than another man.
...Let each one be convinced in their own mind.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2018

After the death of the apostle John, a disciple of his, Polycarp,
waged a controversy over the Passover-Easter question with the
bishop of Rome, by then leader of the church started maybe by Simon.

Still later, another disciple of Christ’s true Christianity,
Polycrates, waged a still hotter controversy over the same
Passover-Easter question with another bishop of Rome.

This theological battle was called the Quartodeciman Controversy.
Polycrates contended, as Jesus and the original apostles taught,

that the Passover should be observed in the new Christian form
introduced by Jesus and by the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 11),

using unleavened bread and wine instead of sacrificing a lamb,
on the eve of the 14th Nisan (first month in the sacred calendar,
occurring in the spring).

But [the Rome church] insisted that it be observed on a Sunday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_controversy

Ariel82 · Mar 24, 2018

I actually believe everyone agrees with this statement "..That the ceremonial law has passed away - been fulfilled by Christ."

The disagreement is whether the weekly Sabbath is a part of the Law of Sin and death given at Mount Sinai that passed away.

I would say we should worship God every day and not just the Sabbath...most people agree with that statement also.

The disagreement is in the questions: how do we keep the Sabbath holy and is it just a weekly observance?

LoveGodForever · Mar 24, 2018

Ariel82 said:

No one is saying we should not worship God everyday we should do so. You made an OP here trying to say EVERDAY is a SABBATH (HOLY DAY). Read the 4th commandment. If EVERYDAY is a SABBATH no work would be done and no one would be able to eat. God's WORK is NOT the WORK that mankind does to earn a living to provide food on the table and to allow society to function. Your OP has no truth in it.

Ariel82 said:

Try reading God's WORD (Exodus 20:8-11). It is God's WORD you disagree with no one elses here in order to justify the Catholic teaching and tradition of Sunday Worship the has led many to break God's Commandments.

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Only God's Word is true dear and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the traditions of men that break the Commandments of God.

There is a lot of scripture that disagrees with you here dear. It does not look good for you come judgement day.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodForever · Mar 24, 2018

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodForever · Mar 24, 2018

Pythons said:

For SDA's (and their many offshoots) Gregorian Saturday Worship...
...Is a matter of salvation, thus, of the utmost importance.
...If you don't conduct Saturday Worship - game over!

The SDA's have a prophet who was named "Ellen White"...
...Ellen allegedly traveled deep into outer space & communed.
...With extraterrestrials who confirmed "the Sabbath truth".

The Aliens gave Ellen their testimony about the Sabbath...
...& also said IF they broke the law of God they would also fall.
...Like the Earth fell [into sin].

The salient part of all this is that IT WAS POSSIBLE the aliens fell into sin....
...Subsequent to their visit with Ellen G. White - and IF that happened.
...It would explain the many U.F.O. sightings that have been reported.

An Alien race with technological understanding far exceeding those of earth...
...Would undoubtedly have the ability of space travel and if for nothing else.
...Would be interested in the natural resources of the earth.
...Such as minerals, water, etc.

I digress, in answer to the Sabbath question the velocity of the teaching...
...Comes by way of confirmation from E.T.'s through Ellen White.

Why you would make up things and tell lies like this is beyond me. That is between you and God however. This is a shame to you.

Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

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