One point worth mentioning is the fact that Adam was given the commandment concerning "the tree of knowledge..." before Eve was created. It is not explicitly stated but I would think that Adam would have told Eve the commandment of God (she added the word "touch" in her conversation with the serpent). It is interesting that part of Eve's punishment was Adam having rule over her. Perhaps Adam added the word "touch" when he repeated the commandment of God to Eve or maybe she added it of her own accord but I have a hunch he told her not to touch either.
Women should not be allowed to preach in church
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We must acknowledge the truth. Some Christian wives are married to unbelievers, atheists or idolatrous men who practice other religions. Therefore, it wouldn't be beneficial for a Christian to ask a non-believer, atheist or idolater a question about church matters or the Christian faith. A non-believing, atheist or idolatrous husband would not be qualified or equipped to answer questions about Christianity. Non-believing, atheist or idolatrous men are not qualified or equipped to answer questions about Christianity.
Furthermore, 1 Cor 14:35 is directed at Christian WIVES because UNMARRIED Christian women don't have a husband to ask.
Therefore, this verse isn't referring to ALL women because as you mentioned ALL women aren't married and ALL wives don't have Christian husbands.
Furthermore, 1 Cor 14:35 is directed at Christian WIVES because UNMARRIED Christian women don't have a husband to ask.
Therefore, this verse isn't referring to ALL women because as you mentioned ALL women aren't married and ALL wives don't have Christian husbands.
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The word "wives" is not found 1 Corinthians 14:35 and what about 1 Timothy 2 were the words husband and wife do not appear? Should both married women and unmarried woman "adorn themselves in modest apparel" (1 Timothy 2:9) or is this just for wives? Perhaps it is just for unmarried women. 1 Timothy 2 continues and Paul states:
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.......
I think it is safe to say that unmarried women may ask whom they wish because they don't have a husband who has "rule" over them. Genesis 3:16
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.......
I think it is safe to say that unmarried women may ask whom they wish because they don't have a husband who has "rule" over them. Genesis 3:16
I would ask why in the first place establish new cerimoinal laws . Which includes the breaking of bread,the cup of blood of grapes. The head covering ,uncovering law , to include women counselling with women in a cerimoinail setting, and men counselling with men . Leaving the honor of counselling at home for both. Especially at that time period when the goverment was being changed seeing the time of refomation had come. Sexual immorally had became un-manageable . and the separation from the court of the woman has come to a end .
It had become a meat market which it seems to be the case today as Christianity seems to be driven into the closet while things that belong in closets have come out as the new gospel of acceptance .
Even installing LGBT restrooms in some. Where is it all heading knowing history repeats itself because sinners do not change ?
It had become a meat market which it seems to be the case today as Christianity seems to be driven into the closet while things that belong in closets have come out as the new gospel of acceptance .
Even installing LGBT restrooms in some. Where is it all heading knowing history repeats itself because sinners do not change ?
In my response to Mem, I was specifically referencing 1 Cor 14:35.
If THEY want to inquire about something, they should ask their own HUSBANDS at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 1 Cor 14:35
Who is THEY referring to in
1 CORINTHIANS 14:35? Wives because unmarried women do not have husbands. Suggesting that UNMARRIED women have husbands is fallacy and misrepresentation of the truth.
Icetech said, "I think it is safe to say that unmarried women may ask whom they wish because they don't have a husband who has "rule" over them. Genesis 3:16"
That may be your thought process, but it's not what the Bible teaches. A unmarried woman shouldn't ask whoever about Christian matters. She should not ask an unbeliever, atheist or idolater because that would be unwise given that the Bible teaches Christians to stay away from people who are not followers of the Lord! 2 Cor 16:14 & Eph 5:5-7
Therefore, to suggest that it is SAFE for unmarried women to "ask whom they wish" about Christian matters is unbiblical and unwise advice.
Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, WHO WAS WITH HER, and he ate it.
If THEY want to inquire about something, they should ask their own HUSBANDS at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 1 Cor 14:35
Who is THEY referring to in
1 CORINTHIANS 14:35? Wives because unmarried women do not have husbands. Suggesting that UNMARRIED women have husbands is fallacy and misrepresentation of the truth.
Icetech said, "I think it is safe to say that unmarried women may ask whom they wish because they don't have a husband who has "rule" over them. Genesis 3:16"
That may be your thought process, but it's not what the Bible teaches. A unmarried woman shouldn't ask whoever about Christian matters. She should not ask an unbeliever, atheist or idolater because that would be unwise given that the Bible teaches Christians to stay away from people who are not followers of the Lord! 2 Cor 16:14 & Eph 5:5-7
Therefore, to suggest that it is SAFE for unmarried women to "ask whom they wish" about Christian matters is unbiblical and unwise advice.
Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, WHO WAS WITH HER, and he ate it.
It indicates that the consequences delineated in Genesis 3 are not commands and therefore Paul cannot be referring to that verse in 1 Corinthians 14, leaving you without support for your assertion.
I didn't say anywhere that Adam heard the serpent. That's your interpolation. Sadly you're getting good at creative interpolation.
Nor have I asserted anywhere that Adam was deceived, nor do I believe that. Again, more interpolation.
How rich of you to ignore half the verse, claim that it is a clear reference and a command, and then accuse me of failing to divide the word rightly.
I believe that Genesis 3 is part of Torah (Law) but I don't consider everything that God said in Genesis to be a "commandment". Your twisting of my words is quite unnecessary.
I didn't say anywhere that Adam heard the serpent. That's your interpolation. Sadly you're getting good at creative interpolation.
Nor have I asserted anywhere that Adam was deceived, nor do I believe that. Again, more interpolation.
How rich of you to ignore half the verse, claim that it is a clear reference and a command, and then accuse me of failing to divide the word rightly.
I believe that Genesis 3 is part of Torah (Law) but I don't consider everything that God said in Genesis to be a "commandment". Your twisting of my words is quite unnecessary.
You contend that Adam was present with Eve during the conversation with the serpent, and thus heard the conversation based on verse 6. I contend that the only thing you can say for certainty in verse 6 is that they ate the fruit together. The evidence that Adam did not hear the words of the serpent are found in Genesis 3:12-14; 2 Corinthians 11:13; 1 Timothy 2:14.
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Because a head covering really is just a cultural thing. A head covering doesn't mean to us what it meant to them then. It's not a sign of submission now.
But Paul made it clear that a woman having pastoral teaching authority over a man is not cultural but is in accordance with God's order of authority.
Nothing wrong with a woman teacher. They just can't do it from a pastoral position of authority. We don't appreciate the significance of that because the office of pastor has changed in the church today. Instead of a pastor being able to wield great power and authority over the congregation a pastor today is simply the event organizer and administrator in the church, and often just works for a board of elders.
But Paul made it clear that a woman having pastoral teaching authority over a man is not cultural but is in accordance with God's order of authority.
Nothing wrong with a woman teacher. They just can't do it from a pastoral position of authority. We don't appreciate the significance of that because the office of pastor has changed in the church today. Instead of a pastor being able to wield great power and authority over the congregation a pastor today is simply the event organizer and administrator in the church, and often just works for a board of elders.
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