Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
So, the sum total of your whole argument is this assumption?
Completely unsupported by Scripture!

I believe we should believe God's word, absolutely!

However I have read every word of Genesis multiple times and there is NO reference to any of the Patriarchs receiving the Torah, much less obeying it!
Even more specifically, there is ABSOLUTELY no mention of the word Sabbath until Ex 16:23!

Yet you are continually claiming your 'sola scriptura' nonsense, but cannot back up any of your claims when put to an actual test.
Posting walls of irrelevant Scripture does nothing but highlight your foolishness.

I will repeat my question again:

So, if this claim is correct then there MUST be a text detailing where Abraham, or some other Patriarch prior to this time, RECEIVED the Torah. Otherwise, it is nothing but unsubstantiated speculation.
This is the Bible we are talking about, we cannot just accept vague speculation as fact, now can we....
So come on, MR SOLA SCRIPTURA, provide me with one text that proves that Abraham or one of the Patriarch's BEFORE him actually RECEIVED the Torah!
If such a text exists then it must be in one of the chapters prior to chapter 26, so it should not be too difficult for Bible teacher of your stature to find...

And, oh, while you are about it, perhaps you could share, just a single text would do, an EXPLICIT reference to Abraham observing the Sabbath. Please do not repost Gen 26:5 - it does not "prove" in any way that Abraham knew the Torah (as given to Moses), kept the Torah (as given to Moses), or observed the Sabbath (as given to Moses)...

The evidence would all be in about the first 30 chapters of Genesis....
I suggest that you find the text where Abraham or some other Patriarch receives the Torah, as well as the text that proves Abraham observed the Sabbath....
otherwise I suggest a blanket unconditional apology to all the people that you have wilfully tried to deceive for more than a year!
Hello GNP,

You have been provided a wall of scripture that disagrees with you, showing God's people BEFORE MOSES KEPT TORAH here...

CLICK HERE; GOD’S LAWS BEFORE MOSES AND THE SABBATH IN CREATION

When you claimed there is no scripture you were provided a wall of it.

This is God's WORD not mine and we should believe what Gods says.

Now your trying to change your whole argument to say show me a scripture when the TORAH was given to the Patriachs.

Now if God says the Patriachs kept the TORAH and there is a wall of scripture showing this does it matter when it was given?

The fact that God's WORD says the Patriachs kept TORAH before MOSES is enough for me.

You have been provided a wall of scriture support showing that God's people kept TORAH before MOSES.

NOW you show us from God's WORD your teaching that God is lying and the Patriachs did NOT keep Torah when God says they did?

Sola Scriptura, where are you?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

...................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

...................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
Last edited:

beta

Senior Member
Aug 8, 2016
2,782
333
83
What I reject is your understanding of what the New Covenant laws we are under and the fact you try and place people under the Old Covenant.

Of course you would redefine both terms but that doesn't mean you are right.
My aim is to live up to the 10 eternal/spiritual Commandments of God which HE separated from the law of Moses works/ordinances that was only temporary Deut 5 and Ex 20 shows how GOD gave the 10 personally and added no more. The rest of the Coms were given through Moses and fulfilled by Christ. The 10 however are carried FOREWARD 'how to love God and neighbour' Until they have accomplished the purpose to which they were sent and shall not return to God void Isah 55v11.
They have not yet accomplished LOVE to God and man and are therefore STILL in force !!!
JESUS taught this Principle of LOVE in the NT !!!
 

beta

Senior Member
Aug 8, 2016
2,782
333
83
ARIEL82
of course we know there has been a change of the law Heb 7v12...or do you think we are still preaching from the OT Priesthood ??? really...how ignorant and ill-informed !!! where do you get this idea ?
You have been told numerous times that the NC is based on LOVE and GRACE...why are you still quoting from the 'letter of the law which does NOT teach JESUS ?
It is you who does not understand the purpose of the 10 Commandments which when KEPT will lead to LIFE...if NOT kept they lead to death. Nailing them to the cross is NOT the answer, only the keeping of them !

FOLLOW JESUS...HE KEPT THEM !
 

beta

Senior Member
Aug 8, 2016
2,782
333
83
God is God of the Old and New testament.

God didn't change. His laws for each covenant is what changed.
The way things are 'done' have changed...NOT the basic laws themselves. We still can not lie, steal, etc,etc...or mess with any other Commandment. But now Jesus provides help so we can do them as He requires. They are not cancelled, abolished or nailed to the cross....the only way is to keep them with HIS Holy Spirit ...because they have yet to accomplish what GOD wants...that we LOVE Him and neighbour !
 

graceNpeace

Senior Member
Aug 12, 2016
2,180
107
63
Hello GNP,
You have been provided a wall of scripture that disagrees with you, showing God's people BEFORE MOSES KEPT TORAH here...
Yes, I was provided with a wall of Scripture none of which proves any Patriarch received the Torah, knew anything about the Torah, or observed the laws of the Torah!

Your post on another thread trying to prove that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, in fact, represented the Torah, has been refuted in that thread.

You are continually trying to read into Scripture meaning that is simply not there just completely destroys your credibility.
It is called eisegesis (reading a meaning into a passage of Scripture that cannot be obtained by reading it)!
In scholarly circles this is also called fraud, and cheating.
Academic careers would be destroyed by doing what you are doing.
You are insisting, post after post, the same lies and deceptions are correct.
You are claiming that your interpretations are of God!
Yet you have been royally caught out trying to claim an important doctrine for which no proof exists.

I think you really need to apologise, unconditionally, for your dishonesty...
 
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
Yes, I was provided with a wall of Scripture none of which proves any Patriarch received the Torah, knew anything about the Torah, or observed the laws of the Torah!

Your post on another thread trying to prove that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, in fact, represented the Torah, has been refuted in that thread.

You are continually trying to read into Scripture meaning that is simply not there just completely destroys your credibility.
It is called eisegesis (reading a meaning into a passage of Scripture that cannot be obtained by reading it)!
In scholarly circles this is also called fraud, and cheating.
Academic careers would be destroyed by doing what you are doing.
You are insisting, post after post, the same lies and deceptions are correct.
You are claiming that your interpretations are of God!
Yet you have been royally caught out trying to claim an important doctrine for which no proof exists.

I think you really need to apologise, unconditionally, for your dishonesty...
Hmm only your WORDS over God's WORD again GNP? So I guess that means, you have no scripture to support your belief that God's people did not follow God's TORAH before MOSES? It is ok I did not think so.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

...................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

...................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

graceNpeace

Senior Member
Aug 12, 2016
2,180
107
63
Hmm only your WORDS over God's WORD again GNP? So I guess that means, you have no scripture to support your belief that God's people did not follow God's TORAH before MOSES? It is ok I did not think so.
You seriously want me to REPEAT what I already said or are you playing a game of pretending that none of my previous posts actually addressed the issue of whether Abraham received the Torah or observed the Torah?

Your silly accusations do nothing except show everyone how threadbare your doctrinal and theological cupboard really are...
 

lightbearer

Senior Member
Jun 17, 2017
2,375
504
113
58
HBG. Pa. USA
You seriously want me to REPEAT what I already said or are you playing a game of pretending that none of my previous posts actually addressed the issue of whether Abraham received the Torah or observed the Torah?
Everything you posted was out of context. Everything!
 
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
You seriously want me to REPEAT what I already said or are you playing a game of pretending that none of my previous posts actually addressed the issue of whether Abraham received the Torah or observed the Torah?

Your silly accusations do nothing except show everyone how threadbare your doctrinal and theological cupboard really are...
You have only posted your own WORDS over God's WORD and have supplied no scripture for your belief that God's people did not follow the TORAH before Moses when there is a wall of scripture that says they did here...

CLICK HERE; GOD’S LAWS BEFORE MOSES AND THE SABBATH IN CREATION

Sola Scriptura where are you?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

...................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

...................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
Sep 4, 2012
14,424
689
113
The way things are 'done' have changed...NOT the basic laws themselves. We still can not lie, steal, etc,etc...or mess with any other Commandment. But now Jesus provides help so we can do them as He requires. They are not cancelled, abolished or nailed to the cross....the only way is to keep them with HIS Holy Spirit ...because they have yet to accomplish what GOD wants...that we LOVE Him and neighbour !
It was all one book, one law. There's nothing that says there were two laws.

And Paul specifically said that what was written in stone was done away, abolished, nullified, etc.
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
The DISagreement is that some want to change GOD's given Holy Day to sunday and/or every day...there is just no scripture for that.
It is good to pray always and worship God always but the Sabbath Day is ESPECIALLY given for it and should be kept that way !
GOD is pure and holy - APART from anything that is perverted and polluted and HE chose one day to keep it that way...we have no right to change it !
How can we be separated from and taken out of this evil world to be like Him (conformed to HIS image) if we keep dragging Him down to our level every day...WE should strive to RISE to HIS height at least on the SABBATH...as HE INSTRUCTS !!!
I, have given you the scriptures but you reject it because you don't see how Jesus changed the laws on Mount Sinai that demanded death. Or in terms everyone recognizes..."an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"

That was the LAW. Just like keeping the weekly Sabbath and stoning people to death is the LAW at Mount Sinai.

You still murder people in your hearts that don't keep the Sabbath as you deem they should. In your heart you and others stone them and judge them dead. Some people even say that if you don't keep the weekly Sabbath, you don't have the Holy spirit and are worshipping a different Jesus and God. Do you agree with them?

What I have said and you ignore over and over again is that Jesus did teach about the Sabbath in His sermon on the mount.

He taught the true spiritual meaning and purpose of the Sabbath.
.do you even know what passage I have refered to?

I will not post them again because I doubt you listened the first time and will not listen this time...for you say you see and hear, but do neither.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

prove-all

Senior Member
May 16, 2014
5,977
400
83
63
However I have read every word of Genesis multiple times and there is NO
reference to any of the Patriarchs receiving the Torah, much less obeying it!

The evidence would all be in about the first 30 chapters of Genesis....
Was Adam not in the garden, that [very first Sabbath Day With God] ? Adam knew it back then.
[The first Passover] was when God [shead blood] for there sins, and covered them with skins.

If angeles had sex with woman[they can't], why was man wiped out at the flood if no law ?
Mabe we could look elsewhere then Genesis.

According to Bar Ḳappara, Job lived in the time of Abraham
According to these rabbis, Job was a Gentile

Job knew about God before the Book of Genesis was written, as he said,
"I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye sees You"

God spoke to people back then, way more then was recorded in the bible.

A few have indicated that Job could have been the first written book of the Bible, though many
point to a later time of writing. Even if it were not written down prior to Mount Sinai, the narrative
appears to be before the children of Israel entered the land of Egypt during the time of Joseph.

Commandment 1:
2 "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 "You shall have no other gods before Me. (Exodus 20:2-3)

The Book of Job states:
21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).

28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:28).

1 The Job answered the LORD and said: 'I know that You can do everything,
and that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You' (Job 42:1-2).

28 And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
and to depart from evil is understanding' (Job 28:28).

What is interesting about Job 28:28 is that Job said that this is what God said to man
and there is no record of this being said in Genesis (which is the primary biblical book
with information prior to the story of Job), thus this verse proves that God spoke to
humankind prior to Moses in at least one way that was not recorded in Genesis.

Thus this refutes the argument that none prior to Mount Sinai could have known what
the commandments were! If there were no commandments in effect, how could denying
God be an iniquity deserving of judgement?

Commandment 2:
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image -- any likeness of anything that is
in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous
God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations
of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep
My commandments. (Exodus 20:4-6)

The Book of Job states:
27 If I have observed the sun when it shines, or the moon moving in its brightness,
so that my heart has been secretly enticed, and my mouth has kissed my hand;

28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:27-28).

Observing of the sun and moon, whereby one is enticed, as well kissing one's own hand,
are believed by most commentators to have been practices associated with idolatry.
an iniquity deserving of judgement

Commandment 3:

7 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord
will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)

The Book of Job states:
5 It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts (Job 1:5).
21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).
9 Curse God and die! (Job 2:9).
10 In all this, Job did not sin with his lips (Job 2:10).

The third commandment is clearly shown in Job to have been understood.
It is clear that before Mount Sinai one could 'sin with his lips,' and that 'sin' was
known to exist then (after Mount Sinai, God did tell the Israelites that the people
who used to live in the land sinned by violating this command, Leviticus 18:21,27).

21And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit
any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that
sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done,
which were before you, and the land is defiled. Leviticus 18:21,27

Commandment 4:

8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all
your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall
do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your
female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six
days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and
rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
(Exodus 20:8-11)

The Book of Job states:

13 So they sat down with him on the ground seven days and seven nights, and no
one spoke a word to him, for they saw that his grief was very great (Job 2:13).

Job 2:13 supports the concept that the week was being observed prior to Mount Sinai.
It is consistent with the two accounts in Genesis that a week was used as a period of
rejoicing (Gen 29:22,27-28) and grieving (Genesis 50:10).

1 Is there not a time of hard service for man on the earth (Job 7:1).

Job 7:1 supports the concept of "six days shall you labor" (Exodus 20:8)
which is part of the fourth commandment.

5 That the triumping of the wicked is short...
20 Because he knows no quietness in his heart (Job 20:5,20).

Job 20:20 supports the concept found in Hebrews 4:3-6
that those do who disobey "shall not enter My rest."

21 Now aquaint yourself with Him, and be at peace (Job 22:21).

Where as Job 22:21 supports the related concept that "we who believed do enter
that rest...There remains therefore a rest (Greek sabbitismos, 'a sabbath observance')
for the people of God" (Hebrews 4:3,9).

4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? (Job 38:4).

In Job 38:4, God says He 'laid the foundations of the earth' which is similar to the
concept in Exodus 20:11 'For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth,
the sea, and all that is in them'. Thus in Job we see the nearly all the concepts of the
fourth commandment.

Commandment 5:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land
which the Lord your God is giving you. (Exodus 20:12)

The Book of Job states:
21 His sons come to honor (Job 14:21).
5 He who speaks flattery to his friends, even the eyes of his children will fail (Job 17:5).
8 But the mighty man possessed the land, and the honorable man dwelt in it (Job 22:8).

These verses support the concept that one is to be honorable, children are to honor their
father, and that the children are to become honorable, whereas the fifth commandment
says to give honor (Exodus 20:12) which implies that parents are to be honorable.

Commandment 6:
13 "You shall not murder. (Exodus 20:13)

The Book of Job states:

14 The murderer rises with the light; He kills the poor and needy;
And in the night he's like a thief (Job 24:14).

39 If I have eaten its fruit without money, or caused its owners to lose their lives;
40 Then let thistles grow instead of wheat, and weeds instead of barley (Job 31:39-40).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions considered murder
to be wrong. Job 24:14 is similar to a teaching by Jesus tieing in murder and thievery together:

10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. (John 10:10).
Job knew of this connection thousands of years before Jesus stated it as recorded by John.

Commandment 7:

14 "You shall not commit adultery. (Exodus 20:14)

The Book of Job states:

15 The eye of the adulterer waits for the twilight, saying, 'No eye will see me';
and he disguises his face (Job 24:15).

1 I have made a covenant with my eyes; Why then should I look upon a young woman?
(Job 31:1).

9 "If my heart has been enticed by a woman, Or if I have lurked at my neighbor's door,
10 Then let my wife grind for another, And let others bow down over her. 11 For that would
be wickedness; Yes, it would be iniquity deserving of judgment. 12 For that would be a fire
that consumes to destruction, And would root out all my increase. (Job 31:9-12).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions knew adultery
was prohibited and an 'iniquity deserving of judgement.'

Commandment 8:

15 "You shall not steal. (Exodus 20:15)

The Book of Job states:

5 Is not your wickedness great, and your iniquity without end? 6 For you have taken pledges
from your brother for no reason, and stripped the naked of their clothing (Job 22:5-6).

14 And in the night he's like a thief (Job 24:14).

39 If I have eaten its fruit without money, or caused its owners to lose their lives;
40 Then let thistles grow instead of wheat, and weeds instead of barley (Job 31:39-40).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions
considered stealing to be wrong.

Commandment 9:
16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (Exodus 20:16)

The Book of Job states:

28 I would never lie to your face (Job 6:28).
15:35 They conceive trouble and bring forth futility; Their womb prepares deceit.

24:25 Now if it is not so, who will prove me a liar and make my speech worth nothing?
27:4 My lips will not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit (Job 27:4).

34:6 Should I lie concerning my right? (Job 34:6).
36:4 For truly my words are not false (Job 36:4).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions
considered 'bearing false witness' to be wrong.

Commandment 10:

17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife,
nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything
that is your neighbor's." (Exodus 20:17)

The Book of Job states:

2 And envy slays a simple one (Job 5:2).

12 Why does your heart carry you away, and what do your eyes wink at, that you turn
your spirit against God, and let such words go out of your mouth? (Job 15:12-13).

15:1 They conceive trouble and bring forth futility (Job 15:35).
31:1 I have made a covenant with my eyes; Why then should I look upon a young woman?

9 "If my heart has been enticed by a woman, Or if I have lurked at my neighbor's door,
10 Then let my wife grind for another, And let others bow down over her. 11 For that
would be wickedness; Yes, it would be iniquity deserving of judgment. 12 For that would
be a fire that consumes to destruction, And would root out all my increase. (Job 31:9-12).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions considered
covetousness (or evil desire) to be wrong. Since Paul wrote, "I would not have known
sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law
had said, 'You shall not covet.' " (Rom 7:7), it is clear that the law against covetousness
must have been in effect prior to Mount Sinai.
 
Last edited:
A

Ariel82

Guest
It was all one book, one law. There's nothing that says there were two laws.

And Paul specifically said that what was written in stone was done away, abolished, nullified, etc.
Actually Paul specifically said they were written in stone referring to the ten commandments because Moses wrote on animal skin. Only God wrote on stone at Mount Sinai.
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
I actually believe that God teaches the whole world His laws both physical (we call this science) and spiritual (we call this religion).

He teaches us moral codes.

He also teaches us the false doctrine demons preach to the world. (see jobs three friends)

He shows us the difference between the Old covenant and the New.

The difference between the true Gospel and the false ones being taught by and to the world.

The Gospel is always about Jesus, our Messiah and how He saves us.

The false one is about man made traditions and our feeble attempt to save ourselves.

All religions have God's moral law. Many have what people recognizes as "the Law of karma" do good to receive good. Do bad and receive bad....people suffer because they sinned.


Jesus came and showed them their religion was false.he revealed God's grace. Who sinned for the man to be born blind, him or his parents? Jesus said neither but so God's glory may be revealed. Jesus told us salvation is a free gift given to those with faith in him.

Not something that you had to earn or work for.

Jesus told us to SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and not worry about food or clothes because God would take care of us...,do you trust God enough to SEEK to do His will instead of working for yourself? Do you work for God or do you work for men or your own fleshly desires?

Are you under the Old or new covenant?

Are you saved by your Faith or do you believe you must eaen your salvation by being holy enough through obedience of laws?

Do you understand and follow the Spirit teaching about the Sabbath or do you follow only the letter of the law?

I am not your judge, but those with the Holy spirit will answer honestly and understand the message I am trying to say.

God's GOSPEL message sets you free of observing only the letter of the law and allows you to follow the Spirit.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
A

Ariel82

Guest
I am not telling people to break the Sabbath...just encouraging people to keep it as Jesus taught on the Sermon on the mount and not just the letter of the law taught at Mount Sinai that leads to death and sin.
 

Didymous

Senior Member
Feb 22, 2018
5,047
2,099
113
The important thing to remember about SDAs is this: They, along with other groups, sprung from the Millerite. William Miller was a Baptist preacher who thought he'd figured out exactly when Jesus was returning based on much study of the book of Daniel, and attracted a group of like-minded followers. They believed Jesus was returning on October 22, 1844: Imagine their great disappointment when Jesus didn't show.William Miller eventually repented of his false prophecy and returned to his church. The rest of the Millerites came up with a number of new dates-and Jesus didn't return on them, either. This group eventually decided that Jesus had come on the original date-but spiritually. What this all boils down to is a group of sincere but wrong-minded people refusing to let go of the false prophecy that Miller repudiated. Their literature about their most interesting times is very entertaining-if you should decide to suss it out. They gathered all the originals and locked them in their "archives," however, so only copies exist of what is fascinating reading.
 
Sep 4, 2012
14,424
689
113
The important thing to remember about SDAs is this: They, along with other groups, sprung from the Millerite.
Jehovah's Witnesses and SDA both spawned from the Millerites. They began in the Burned-over District of New York that produced an anomalous number of cults.

  • The Latter Day Saint movement (whose largest branch is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Joseph Smith lived in the area and said he was led by the angel Moroni to his source for the Book of Mormon, the golden plates, near Palmyra.
  • The Millerites. William Miller was a farmer who lived in Low Hampton, New York. He preached that the literal Second Coming would occur "October 22, 1844." Millerism became extremely popular in western New York State. Some of its concepts are still held by church organizations affiliated with Adventism. The Millerite movement started the following churches, which are all still active:
  • Adventists
  • Seventh-day Adventists
  • Jehovah's Witnesses
  • International Bible Students
  • The Fox sisters of Hydesville, New York conducted the first table-rapping séances in the area, leading to the American movement of Spiritualism (centered in the retreat at Lily Dale and in the Plymouth Spiritualist Church in Rochester, New York), which taught communion with the dead.
  • The Shakers were very active in the area, establishing their first communal farm in central New York.
  • The Oneida Society was a large utopian group that established a successful community in central New York; it subsequently disbanded. It was known for its unique interpretation of group marriage, which had mates chosen by committee; the children of the community were raised in common.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned-over_district
 
Status
Not open for further replies.