KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES
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Marilyn Ferguson in the book Aquarian Conspiracy I beleive, said that the Christian churches would usher in the Cosmic Christ or something to that affect.
I can't say whether the newer translations are the work of Satan or just mans flawed attempts at trying to understand the mind of God. And to me it really doesn't matter one way or the other in because only God is capable of translating his word.
I can't say whether the newer translations are the work of Satan or just mans flawed attempts at trying to understand the mind of God. And to me it really doesn't matter one way or the other in because only God is capable of translating his word.
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I fear you are missing a major point; Many here and in Christendom.... are not right with G-d and their hearts are not cleansed. So, The HS will not lead those as with the prepared heart. Thus we see HS guided and ...whatever...inspired right here on this board.
Baptism is a perfect example. We see much effort to discourage folks from being baptized...why?....... end times prophecy of..."great deceptions" is a fair conclusion. There is nothing to be gained by the advocates.
I fear you are missing a major point; Many here and in Christendom.... are not right with G-d and their hearts are not cleansed. So, The HS will not lead those as with the prepared heart. Thus we see HS guided and ...whatever...inspired right here on this board.
Baptism is a perfect example. We see much effort to discourage folks from being baptized...why?....... end times prophecy of..."great deceptions" is a fair conclusion. There is nothing to be gained by the advocates.
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I believe the inerrant one was the one Jesus read out of when he quoted Isaiah. 
There’s nothing new under the sun, they had multiple versions and just like us they had to decide which was the inerrant word of truth.
There’s nothing new under the sun, they had multiple versions and just like us they had to decide which was the inerrant word of truth.
Jesus was and still is "the word of God" many passages do not support that he was quoting a "bible" as if reading it aloud many scriptures from an actual text many scriptures support that he "knew" God's law inside and out with or without necessarily prior reading as well as what was right or wrong very few times did he read from an actual text and it is "unknown" which texts he even read from as far as "text titles" goes.
Luke 4:17-18 King James Version (KJV)
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
You asked my view on 2 Timothy 2:15 in the context of "preservation". I responded.
I see them as translations of the Scriptures. I am quite content reading them, because I understand that God's word is not merely the translation, but the true message underlying the visible words of the translation. The presence of weaknesses, poor translations, and outright errors doesn't affect or undermine God's word in the least. It does, however, mean that extra effort is needed to find the truth. That's also why I believe sound hermeneutics are so important.
What do you think I can't understand?
Circular reasoning is beginning with a position and using that as the basis for proving the very same position. Here is an example from the KJVo camp:
Premise 1. The KJV is without error.
Premise 2. There is an apparent error.
Premise 3. It can't be an error because of premise 1.
Conclusion: Therefore the KJV is without error.
I don't presume that there are errors; I find errors, and then consider the translation to be imperfect (hence no circular reasoning). That doesn't make God's word imperfect. You and I disagree on what "God's word" is... so I don't expect you to agree with my view of errors in translations.
I see them as translations of the Scriptures. I am quite content reading them, because I understand that God's word is not merely the translation, but the true message underlying the visible words of the translation. The presence of weaknesses, poor translations, and outright errors doesn't affect or undermine God's word in the least. It does, however, mean that extra effort is needed to find the truth. That's also why I believe sound hermeneutics are so important.
What do you think I can't understand?
Circular reasoning is beginning with a position and using that as the basis for proving the very same position. Here is an example from the KJVo camp:
Premise 1. The KJV is without error.
Premise 2. There is an apparent error.
Premise 3. It can't be an error because of premise 1.
Conclusion: Therefore the KJV is without error.
I don't presume that there are errors; I find errors, and then consider the translation to be imperfect (hence no circular reasoning). That doesn't make God's word imperfect. You and I disagree on what "God's word" is... so I don't expect you to agree with my view of errors in translations.
I thought I was clear... the translation of the word of God is the word of God, but as a translation it is subject to error, weakness of phrase, etc. It is safer in one sense to accept the translation as error-free by definition, but that forces people to jump through hoops in order to defend their "error-free" view when faced with very real contortions of fact.
What I can't understand is that you assert on one hand that only God can translate His word, and then claim that translations of His word are erroneous. Either the translations are done entirely by God (no human involvement) or they involve human effort and are therefore subject to (potential) error. That goes for the KJV as for and other translation in any language. Humans were involved in the KJV translation (surely you don't deny that?) which means potential error/weakness if not actual error/weakness. That doesn't even begin to touch the very real change in language over time.
What I can't understand is that you assert on one hand that only God can translate His word, and then claim that translations of His word are erroneous. Either the translations are done entirely by God (no human involvement) or they involve human effort and are therefore subject to (potential) error. That goes for the KJV as for and other translation in any language. Humans were involved in the KJV translation (surely you don't deny that?) which means potential error/weakness if not actual error/weakness. That doesn't even begin to touch the very real change in language over time.
Circular reasoning again Dino - "translations are subject to error".... why? Because you say so.
Did the Holy Ghost mistranslate in the book of Acts as he spoke through those men?
No he didn't and that right there totally blows your argument out of the water. God can and God did translate his word into other languages and the evidence is in the bible.
Did the Holy Ghost mistranslate in the book of Acts as he spoke through those men?
No he didn't and that right there totally blows your argument out of the water. God can and God did translate his word into other languages and the evidence is in the bible.
In all things concerning the bible, we need to examine the fruit a belief has.
There are the KJVO stalwarts such as Sam Gipp, Gail Riplinger, Steven Anderson and the late Dr. Peter Ruckman.
I have listened to a few of Dr. Ruckman's sermons, and granted he was a very talented artist, his sermons had a lot of hate filled speech in them.
Then there's Steven Anderson who hates gays and Jews. He called for the execution of gays.
Tempe Church Labeled Hate Group; Pastor Tells New Times Government Should Put Homosexuals to Death | Phoenix New Times
I mean, this looks normal to me. I am sure there are MANY preachers that stand on their pulpit and poke their finger at their flock every Lord's day.
He prayed for the death of President Obama. Boy, that's such a Christ-like attitude. We are commanded to pray for our leaders, not pray for their deaths.
Then Sam Gipp and Gail Riplinger are loose cannons.
On here, I have seen one who claims God is not omniscient, not sovereign. God truly didn't know if Ninevah would repent or not, and was sitting on His throne biting His nails wondering what would they do.[John146]
Another one on here claims to be saved by reading the NIV, but then was miraculously born again later after reading the KJV. He also claims there are two Christs in every believer, the Christ in him is not the same Christ in someone else who came to learn about Him through another way[Let me edit him and just cut to the chase and say that he is really saying the Christ of the KJV is NOT the same Christ found in the modern versions]. He also doesn't care about the originals. Forget that w/o the originals, there is no KJV. He claims Lucifer is Satan, and that Easter is really about the Christ's resurrection and not about a pagan goddess, Eostre, and her wittle bunny and egg.[KJV1611]
Another one who was recently banned was too worried with studying #'s to worry about learning about the Christ.
So, with all the fruit I see coming from the KJVO movement, I can rest knowing that this is NOT of God whatsoever.
There are the KJVO stalwarts such as Sam Gipp, Gail Riplinger, Steven Anderson and the late Dr. Peter Ruckman.
I have listened to a few of Dr. Ruckman's sermons, and granted he was a very talented artist, his sermons had a lot of hate filled speech in them.
Then there's Steven Anderson who hates gays and Jews. He called for the execution of gays.
Tempe Church Labeled Hate Group; Pastor Tells New Times Government Should Put Homosexuals to Death | Phoenix New Times
I mean, this looks normal to me. I am sure there are MANY preachers that stand on their pulpit and poke their finger at their flock every Lord's day.
He prayed for the death of President Obama. Boy, that's such a Christ-like attitude. We are commanded to pray for our leaders, not pray for their deaths.
Then Sam Gipp and Gail Riplinger are loose cannons.
On here, I have seen one who claims God is not omniscient, not sovereign. God truly didn't know if Ninevah would repent or not, and was sitting on His throne biting His nails wondering what would they do.[John146]
Another one on here claims to be saved by reading the NIV, but then was miraculously born again later after reading the KJV. He also claims there are two Christs in every believer, the Christ in him is not the same Christ in someone else who came to learn about Him through another way[Let me edit him and just cut to the chase and say that he is really saying the Christ of the KJV is NOT the same Christ found in the modern versions]. He also doesn't care about the originals. Forget that w/o the originals, there is no KJV. He claims Lucifer is Satan, and that Easter is really about the Christ's resurrection and not about a pagan goddess, Eostre, and her wittle bunny and egg.[KJV1611]
Another one who was recently banned was too worried with studying #'s to worry about learning about the Christ.
So, with all the fruit I see coming from the KJVO movement, I can rest knowing that this is NOT of God whatsoever.