No one is sure where that saying came from Stunnedbygrace.Jtenacious.
I don't remember who said this, but I woke thinking of the quote and it made me laugh, considering this thread - preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words.
No one is sure where that saying came from Stunnedbygrace.Jtenacious.
I don't remember who said this, but I woke thinking of the quote and it made me laugh, considering this thread - preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words.
There is a demonic spammer attacking the forum. Needs to be stopped ASAP. Are there any mods around?
There is a second one at it now. Coffee? I'd much prefer a nice cup of tea.
There is a second one at it now. Coffee? I'd much prefer a nice cup of tea.
Just as an aside, and a personal note to Angela, I have never entered the KJV only thread, except once or twice by accident. But I didn't know you participated in it.
I'm going to read it to see your posts. I would prefer to find what you have to say, not in a piecemeal way, like I have to do in here, dodging around long and unlearned posts that are ridiculous, but if that's the only way to hear you, I'll do it - I'm tenacious.
I don't remember who said this, but I woke thinking of the quote and it made me laugh, considering this thread - preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words.
You see here just one woman's (me) hunger for practical theology, but a lot of us only really read what is a practical help to us any more. Everything else, we just discard. And if you aren't practically helping people, its doubtful that you are doing anything of worth.
Okay, I'll stop my campaign for practical theology. For now.R then.
If you were to somehow find a way to arrange a bible study, it would be a practical help and a service to us. Maybe a topical study ahe and exegete it. or a series of topical studies? You know, like, in your spareroup time...![]()
It is an interesting word actually.
From Thayers unabridged work. I highlighted in bold his section on 2:12 ...
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αὐθεντέω, ἀυθέντω; (a Biblical and ecclesiastical word; from αὐθέντης contracted from αὐτοέντης, and this from αὐτός and ἔντεα arms (others, ἑντης, cf. Hesychius συνεντης συνεργός; cf. Lobeck, Technol., p. 121); hence,
a. according to earlier usage, one who with his own hand kills either others or himself.
b. in later Greek writings one who does a thing himself the author" (τῆς πράξεως, Polybius 23, 14, 2, etc.); one who acts on his own authority, autocratic, equivalent to αὐτοκράτωρ an absolute master; cf. Lobeck ad Phryn., p. 120 (also as above; cf. Winers Grammar, § 2, 1 c.)); to govern one, exercise dominion over one: τινς, 1Ti_2:12.
Let's see what the BDAG cites.
αὐθεντέω (s. αὐθέντης; Philod., Rhet. II p. 133, 14 Sudh.; Jo. Lydus, Mag. 3, 42; Moeris p. 54; cp. Phryn. 120 Lob.; Hesychius; Thom. Mag. p. 18, 8; schol. in Aeschyl., Eum. 42; BGU 1208, 38 [27 B.C.]; s. Lampe s.v.) to assume a stance of independent authority, give orders to, dictate to w. gen. of pers. (Ptolem., Apotel. 3, 14, 10 Boll-B.; Cat. Cod. Astr. VIII/1 p. 177, 7; B-D-F §177) ἀνδρός, w. διδάσκειν, 1 Ti 2:12 (practically = ‘tell a man what to do’ [Jerusalem Bible]; Mich. Glykas [XII A.D.] 270, 10 αἱ γυναῖκες αὐθεντοῦσι τ. ἀνδρῶν. According to Diod. S. 1, 27, 2 there was a well-documented law in Egypt: κυριεύειν τὴν γυναῖκα τἀνδρός, cp. Soph., OC 337–41; GKnight III, NTS 30, ’84, 143–57; LWilshire, ibid. 34, ’88, 120–34).—DELG s.v. αὐθέντης. M-M.
From what I see from what is shared above "to usurp authority" definitely falls within the grammar and how the word was used in Antiquity considering usurp is a verb. Maybe "to be usurping authority" would bring out the present tense more clearly.
Thinking on what you shared in regards to domineer. That definitely falls in line figuratively with what Thayer shared: in that he said, " according to earlier usage, one who with his own hand kills either others or himself." But then so would usurp.
But I don't see them falling in line with later usage. When I think of the word domineer or usurping I think of abusive authority or dictatorship. I am not seeing that emphatically being stated above in the citations.
What do you think?
What is that all about?
. Where are these examples? I am not aware of them that is why I ask.
Amen!
Not sure where you are coming from, but from either side of the argument, Subjectivity is an ugly beast that quips it's tongue way to often in regards to Spiritual things.
Speaking of context I love the fact the Paul through the Spirit gave a reason for what he emphatically stated in that he said, "but I am not allowing woman to be teaching, nor to be dictating authority over man, but to be (in) quietness."
He reasoned through the Spirit, "For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
(1Ti 2:13-14 KJV)
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I had not read through this thread. So I am not aware of how everyone thinks on this issue. But Please note if we continue this dialog that I probably do not see as others or how you might think I do in regards to woman and ministry.
No one is sure where that saying came from Stunnedbygrace.
I appreciate this post and the way you looked at the Greek. It’s still dark and very early here. My phone has a cracked screen, so I will answer you probably after church, on my computer, if you can wait.
In the meantime, I am going back to sleep!
Paraphrase? That would be a stretch from what I understand. Care to post your findings?using a boolean search of "sometimes use words", I found it to be a paraphrase of Francis of Assisi.
Thank you for your kind response. I can wait. I look forward to your response! Pleasant dreams!I appreciate this post and the way you looked at the Greek. It’s still dark and very early here. My phone has a cracked screen, so I will answer you probably after church, on my computer, if you can wait.
In the meantime, I am going back to sleep!
.The quoting of acts 2, 17 original is from Joel 2. The context from Joel 2 is clear meant for the nation of Israel. And must be in future because the context till yet is not realized for Israel. When Peter qoutet this in Acts 2 then it is clear that it only could be a partwise fullfilling.
The pentecostal movememt claims Joel 2 for themselves.
But I cant see that Joel 2 is fullfilled till today.
Why you are mentioning prophecie? The thread is talking about preaching/teaching
I have my German final on April 24, plus a sermon to preach 2 days earlier. So I wouldn’t do it before then. I do topical all the time, but the best way is to take a passage and exegete it. Maybe we could start a small group, or think
about this. It sounds like a good plan!
I wouldn’t mind doing it publically, but I don’t want to get bogged down with trolls and naysayers, it would be wonderful to live near each other, and have it our homes with coffee and a treat. Let’s put our heads together and figure out the how, when and what. And participatory! Not just me lecturing!