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Anyone and everyone who sins.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Though Jesus was speaking to the Jews at the time, "Whosoever" back then means whosoever today, even as sin back then is still sin today, in the eyes of God.
Paul gives a detailed account of the Christian who is a servant/slave to sin and has not yet been freed from the cords of sin.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
The book of Romans was written to Christian and is therefore addressing the same. If Paul tell them to not allow sin to reign in their bodies, then it is very possible for Christian to be servants of sin. As it is stated below.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
One cannot be free from sin if they have not been taught that they have been freed in Christ Jesus and act on that word, because it is the word of God itself that makes them free.
If you have not received that part of the gospel of Jesus' work on the cross, then the born again child of God can and will remain a servant of the sin. And one cannot be set free from that sin UNTIL they repent of it and confess it before God. THEN and only then will God forgive them of that sin and set them free.
We are not automatically forgiven, even as we are not automatically saved when we become adults. Even grace comes with conditions.
What might that be, you ask.
You must be born again through faith to enter into the grace of God. The unbeliever is not under or in the grace of God, the believer is.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Though Jesus was speaking to the Jews at the time, "Whosoever" back then means whosoever today, even as sin back then is still sin today, in the eyes of God.
Paul gives a detailed account of the Christian who is a servant/slave to sin and has not yet been freed from the cords of sin.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
The book of Romans was written to Christian and is therefore addressing the same. If Paul tell them to not allow sin to reign in their bodies, then it is very possible for Christian to be servants of sin. As it is stated below.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
One cannot be free from sin if they have not been taught that they have been freed in Christ Jesus and act on that word, because it is the word of God itself that makes them free.
If you have not received that part of the gospel of Jesus' work on the cross, then the born again child of God can and will remain a servant of the sin. And one cannot be set free from that sin UNTIL they repent of it and confess it before God. THEN and only then will God forgive them of that sin and set them free.
We are not automatically forgiven, even as we are not automatically saved when we become adults. Even grace comes with conditions.
What might that be, you ask.
You must be born again through faith to enter into the grace of God. The unbeliever is not under or in the grace of God, the believer is.
AMEN...the simplicity found in Christ.......he that believes on the SON HAS eternal life....
Their version-->He that believes on the son, does 9654892 works plus 1, is Bap-tized wet, states the Lord's prayer 67 times, yells 47 hail Marys, plays with the plastic beads 89 times, confesses to some man in a box, back flips down the isle while saying mumbo jumbo 33 times super fast in some jibber jabbish, keeps all 613 laws 24/7/365 their whole life, never sins, does more works etc....might have eternal life as long as they, like the instructions on shampoo, rinse and repeat the above numerous times....
Yeah I know, I blended several religions that peddle works for like a guy in Bombay with a street organ and a dancing monkey......ALL the while rejecting...
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
To a worker for, sinless Pharisee or lawyer it is ridiculous and foolish that ONE can just believe and be saved eternally.
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Please tell me sir, what rest you offer the sick and dying?
The rest, spoken of in the bible, isn't just about going to heaven.
I believe it is the same as the "peace" that passes all understanding, and it has to do with faith in Christ and in His name.
It is a rest in that, your request has been granted, or your prayers have been answered BEFORE you see any outward signs. It is a rest rooted in God to perform the word you are standing on in faith.
As far as healing, deliverance, and dying goes, you offer NO rest or hope in Christ.
The only kind of peace or rest you can offer, without any guarantee, is salvation.
You can tell a person they are going to heaven if they say the sinner's prayer believing that Jesus is the Christ or savior of the world, but you do not know if they will go to heaven or not when they die. That is a fact.
The rest, spoken of in the bible, isn't just about going to heaven.
I believe it is the same as the "peace" that passes all understanding, and it has to do with faith in Christ and in His name.
It is a rest in that, your request has been granted, or your prayers have been answered BEFORE you see any outward signs. It is a rest rooted in God to perform the word you are standing on in faith.
As far as healing, deliverance, and dying goes, you offer NO rest or hope in Christ.
The only kind of peace or rest you can offer, without any guarantee, is salvation.
You can tell a person they are going to heaven if they say the sinner's prayer believing that Jesus is the Christ or savior of the world, but you do not know if they will go to heaven or not when they die. That is a fact.
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1. what kind of rest can a person have if their eternity is not secured? If it is not secure, you can not libe at rest, you will(must) always have in the back of your mind that you may fail, so your whole life and decisions will be based on that unknown.
2. John said our continued belief is based on knowing we HAVE eternal life (1John 5) it is our faith in christ, eternal security is based on our faith in christ.
3. God never promised healing, paul suffered greatly, did paul act like he had no hope? (What a joke). People need to stop worrying about this life, because their next life is set in wood (the cross) and this is why paul considered all suffering a momentary light affliction, yes i do offer hope, hope that no matter what happens to you in this life, we habe a much better life to look forward to, so keep pushing and run the race bearing fruit by bringing others to christ.
4. No one will go to heaven by quoting some sinners prayer or just belief in god, people go to heaven because they have faith in christ, and all he says,
5.you offer no one hope. Just dispair and hard work, hoping they are good enough, good luck with that. I will take the hope god offers, and secures, paul spoke of, and place my faith in that. And share that hope with the world
2. John said our continued belief is based on knowing we HAVE eternal life (1John 5) it is our faith in christ, eternal security is based on our faith in christ.
3. God never promised healing, paul suffered greatly, did paul act like he had no hope? (What a joke). People need to stop worrying about this life, because their next life is set in wood (the cross) and this is why paul considered all suffering a momentary light affliction, yes i do offer hope, hope that no matter what happens to you in this life, we habe a much better life to look forward to, so keep pushing and run the race bearing fruit by bringing others to christ.
4. No one will go to heaven by quoting some sinners prayer or just belief in god, people go to heaven because they have faith in christ, and all he says,
5.you offer no one hope. Just dispair and hard work, hoping they are good enough, good luck with that. I will take the hope god offers, and secures, paul spoke of, and place my faith in that. And share that hope with the world
I never implied you per se........just a blend of most religions that add their flavor of works or religionism to JESUS......and then imply something must be done by man to maintain it....while rejecting...
We are kept by the power of GOD
I will never leave thee nor forsake thee
He that believes on the son is not condemned
etc.....
We are kept by the power of GOD
I will never leave thee nor forsake thee
He that believes on the son is not condemned
etc.....
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It's non believers who are slaves to sin, and condemned. They're lost in the world, stuck in bondage, and called children of the devil. Believers have been set free and are slaves of righteousness...
Romans 6:15-18: "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness"
In John 8, the Jews were stuck in religious legalism, in bondage to sin and religion, but they truly believed they were free because they were descendants of Abraham. I find it interesting how Jesus makes an apparent connection here to Ishmael and Isaac, when He speaks of a slave versus a son. Ishmael was a slave with no inheritance from Abraham, but Isaac had the inheritance. So when Jesus says "a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever" He's likening them to Ishmael, saying that they believe they are Abraham's son, but if they are then they're Ishmael... slaves and not sons! Ouch!
And notice too that Ishmael was sent away, so did not abide in the house forever.
Galatians 3:5-9: "Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham"
Romans 8:1-2: "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death"
John 8:36: ".........Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed" !!!!!!!
Romans 6:15-18: "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness"
In John 8, the Jews were stuck in religious legalism, in bondage to sin and religion, but they truly believed they were free because they were descendants of Abraham. I find it interesting how Jesus makes an apparent connection here to Ishmael and Isaac, when He speaks of a slave versus a son. Ishmael was a slave with no inheritance from Abraham, but Isaac had the inheritance. So when Jesus says "a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever" He's likening them to Ishmael, saying that they believe they are Abraham's son, but if they are then they're Ishmael... slaves and not sons! Ouch!
And notice too that Ishmael was sent away, so did not abide in the house forever.Galatians 3:5-9: "Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham"
Romans 8:1-2: "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death"
John 8:36: ".........Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed" !!!!!!!
Thats ok sis, i will not judge you lol
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There are scriptures that speak of the falling away, where we agree that the non believing apostates will come out from among us, because they're not of us. So are you just seeing this one as being connected with those?
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I see heb 6 as the author continuing to speak of the dangers of returning to law. According to law, when a person sinned, a sacrifice must be made to atone for that sin, which means salvation has been lost until that sacrifice is done. Thus the term if a person could fall away (lose salvation) they mock christ, by saying his sacrifice was not sufficient. And claiming they could lose salvation means in reality jesus must die again for the sins he did not die for in the first place. And also stating a dire warning, if they fall back to law. They will never return. Because their true faith had always been law to begin with,
Christ's sacrifice satisfied the breaking of God's law, not the keeping of it.
If a person is on death row for murder, they can't "un-kill" their victim. The law is powerless to save them once its broken. The law must be satisfied with their death...unless they are completely forgiven of the crime by the judge...but even then the law must be satisfied.
Let's say their attorney works out a deal with the judge where he dies in the place of the murderer as long as the murderer is forgiven of the crime...the judge agrees, the attorney dies, the law is satisfied, the once murderer goes free completely cleared; saved from the consequences.
Questions:
Is the murderer free to murder again since they were already forgiven of murder once? No.
Is the law of "do not murder" erased? No.
Is crime (i.e. broken law) hanging over him for murder erased? Yes.
Are all future murders covered by the one-time deal made by the attorney? No.
Is it true that if the murderer commits murder again that the attorney can't make the same deal on his behalf anymore because he already died, and all that waits for the murderer is the judge's sentencing? Yes.
Thus the person, once forgiven of the crime, is required to "murder no more"; to obey the law else something worse will happen to them, which is exactly what Christ said constantly to those he forgave.
But say they still willfully say to themselves, "hah! I was forgiven of murder once! I can go and murder all I want now! I'll be forgiven again!" purposely going on a killing spree. They trample the attorney's one-time gift, treating it like it's a common occurrence that can be repeated, and reap the consequences of their crime, with no one left to save them.
This is how to be un-saved.
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Thankfully most haven't been enlightened to this truth just yet (i.e. fully understanding it) so most remain under the judge's mercy and permissive will in the mean time.
If a person is on death row for murder, they can't "un-kill" their victim. The law is powerless to save them once its broken. The law must be satisfied with their death...unless they are completely forgiven of the crime by the judge...but even then the law must be satisfied.
Let's say their attorney works out a deal with the judge where he dies in the place of the murderer as long as the murderer is forgiven of the crime...the judge agrees, the attorney dies, the law is satisfied, the once murderer goes free completely cleared; saved from the consequences.
Questions:
Is the murderer free to murder again since they were already forgiven of murder once? No.
Is the law of "do not murder" erased? No.
Is crime (i.e. broken law) hanging over him for murder erased? Yes.
Are all future murders covered by the one-time deal made by the attorney? No.
Is it true that if the murderer commits murder again that the attorney can't make the same deal on his behalf anymore because he already died, and all that waits for the murderer is the judge's sentencing? Yes.
Thus the person, once forgiven of the crime, is required to "murder no more"; to obey the law else something worse will happen to them, which is exactly what Christ said constantly to those he forgave.
But say they still willfully say to themselves, "hah! I was forgiven of murder once! I can go and murder all I want now! I'll be forgiven again!" purposely going on a killing spree. They trample the attorney's one-time gift, treating it like it's a common occurrence that can be repeated, and reap the consequences of their crime, with no one left to save them.
This is how to be un-saved.
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Thankfully most haven't been enlightened to this truth just yet (i.e. fully understanding it) so most remain under the judge's mercy and permissive will in the mean time.