Are women allowed to Preach?

[MattforJesus]

A believing woman is only under a man if she is married.

True,and it is according to God's will in how he conducts himself,and not his own agenda,and she has to listen to God if he is going to contrary to God's will.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

In the Lord a man and a woman are equal regardless if they are married or not,but on earth the husband is to lead in the ways of God.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

...Only in the church from a position of pastoral authority. That is what women can not do. And by reason of the order of headship built into creation itself, not by reason of culture, not because of personal opinion, and not to control certain out of control congregations.

Make sure you understand the argument correctly.

Same goes for literal donkey's. They can not be pastors either.

Pastoral authority is itself unbilical.

 

[Ralph-]

A believing woman is only under a man if she is married.

...And when the man is a pastor......and only in matters that pastors have authority in.

 

[John146]

So now you're reduced to insulting me... wow. What a compelling testimony to your character and the fruit of the Holy Spirit in your life.

The question here is, "Are women allowed to preach?" as it has been from the opening post.

Women are allowed to preach. They can preach the gospel on a street corner. If you're a woman and feel led to preach, go find a street corner and start proclaiming the gospel.

 

[miknik5]

Yes much caous and confusion like never before or ever again

If I could share an interesting commentary regarding the atmosphere at the time of reformation, that elevated a woman to the equal status of her husband a blessing at that time for both the men and the women, lifting the burdens of the religious men, freeing them as a couple.

To beg a phrase from Star Trek … Boldly to go to places not traveled before. The true women’s liberation movement, from the reformed cavemen theology (LOL) that temporal time period used as a parable had come to a end. The time of reformation had come taking away the court of the woman.

The church is restored to another time period.

The anger of the religious sects at that time were outraged and they sought to kill the Son of man.

It is called the "Jerusalem Temple" beginnig with a verse to be used to set up the context…………………@ bible-history.com



Today woman a men alke are used a kingdom of priests as Ambassodors we together have the honor of being part of the ceremonies to remind them the reformation has come, together with the headship ceremony that uses hair as a representative glory both drinking of the symbols bread and the blood of grapes, anticipating By faith anticipating the wedding supper in the new heavens and earth to consummate our new incorruptible bodies as His bride the church


New slogan for our sisters in Christ. "The time of refomantion has come .Come out of the caves boys.Real men Love Jesus" (LOL)

As soon as HE poured out HIS SPIRIT, we were out

 

[lightbearer]

And because of this it is not Gods Word? Then we can Act like the li er als with the historitical critic method for to Read the Bible. Who is then the measure? Human wisdom? .

Aleister Crowley said it like thus, "do thine own will".
Welcome to the Age of Subjectivity. It has crept into the the Church wagging it's ugly head!

 

[Dino246]

The more I read, the more I'm convinced that 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 is fraudulent. There are just too many problems with it: textually, grammatically and hermeneutically.

That passage is the only one in the bible that forbids women to speak. Without it, those who want to use it as justification for lording it over women in the church don't have a leg to stand on.

I have skimmed the posts you made on this subject, and the articles you linked. I'm not convinced either way yet, but I'd like to suggest another angle that others have considered: that Paul was quoting a comment from someone, perhaps in Corinth. The words immediately after (Was if from you that the word of God went forth...) make better sense in this light.

 

[lightbearer]

Pastoral authority is itself unbilical.

I would not say that. But it definitely has reached a height to which it was not to. It has taken the place of what the Elders and Bishops are and were to do. Worse yet it is now a paid position.

 

[Ralph-]

Pastoral authority is itself unbilical.

I would post the passages that prove this assertion wrong, but what's the use? They are straightforward and plain like 1 Timothy 2:13, too.


Take this as a friendly warning: I think you are in rebellion against authority. That is the root of your problem. It is a very serious sin to be trapped in. You will dwell in a very dry parched land as a Christian with that going on inside of you. You will not dwell in the richness of God with rebellion inside of you.

Trust is a much bigger issue for women to deal with. I get that. Peter's exhortation to women is to not be afraid. Through Christ women need to find the faith and the courage to trust what God has ordained.

I'm not pretending that's an easy assignment. I know men can be pigs. But nonetheless, that is the counsel of scripture.


In regard to the church, thankfully, these days we all have a choice of which man's pastoral authority we're going to be under. But sooner or later, if you're going to attend a church, you're going to have to be under the authority of a man. We all do.

 

[Dino246]

I would not say that. But it definitely has reached a height to which it was not to. It has taken the place of what the Elders and Bishops are and were to do. Worse yet it is now a paid position.

Most of your post I agree with... but I find your statement about "a paid position" curious. Perhaps you could elaborate?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I have skimmed the posts you made on this subject, and the articles you linked. I'm not convinced either way yet, but I'd like to suggest another angle that others have considered: that Paul was quoting a comment from someone, perhaps in Corinth. The words immediately after (Was if from you that the word of God went forth...) make better sense in this light.

I almost mentioned that today, but refrained. It's a very interesting idea, but to me it just doesn't seem like Paul's style the way the passage is worded. What you mentioned is about 6 or 7 sections down in this article.

link > Interpretations and Applications of 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

 

[miknik5]

Women are allowed to preach. They can preach the gospel on a street corner. If you're a woman and feel led to preach, go find a street corner and start proclaiming the gospel.

And if either you are a man or a woman washed, born and led of CHRIST’s SPIRIT, listen and correct rightly if that one is NOT preaching according to TRUTH

 

[Ralph-]

I would not say that. But it definitely has reached a height to which it was not to. It has taken the place of what the Elders and Bishops are and were to do. Worse yet it is now a paid position.

I agree.

These days it seems being the pastor means being the events director of the church. That's all.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I would post the passages that prove this assertion wrong, but what's the use? They are straightforward and plain like 1 Timothy 2:13, too.


Take this as a friendly warning: I think you are in rebellion against authority. That is the root of your problem. It is a very serious sin to be trapped in. You will dwell in a very dry parched land as a Christian with that going on inside of you. You will not dwell in the richness of God with rebellion inside of you.

Trust is a much bigger issue for women to deal with. I get that. Peter's exhortation to women is to not be afraid. Through Christ women need to find the faith and the courage to trust what God has ordained.

I'm not pretending that's an easy assignment. I know men can be pigs. But nonetheless, that is the counsel of scripture.

In regard to the church, thankfully, these days we all have a choice of which man's pastoral authority we're going to be under. But sooner or later, if you're going to attend a church, you're going to have to be under the authority of a man. We all do.

Truth is the authority, not man. As pertains to the body of Christ, as long as men speak the truth I am under the authority of the words they speak. If they don't speak the truth I am under no obligation to follow what they say. As far as your admonition to me, your own rebeliousness will be judged by it.

 

[miknik5]

One thing I've noticed. Rebellious women want to assert their autonomy until they get in trouble, then they are quick to remind you of the headship and responsibility of the man. I see it all the time in forums. Women claiming they are not under a man in one thread, then turning right around in another thread and blaming the man for Eve's failure because he's over her.

Speaking to rebellious women here, so if that's not you then I'm not talking about you.

How would you know and how would you have noticed a rebellious sister or brother? How do you measure this sir?

if they speak out and do not speak truth I can understand that ultimately they are in rebellion to CHRIST

However if they speak out and speak TRUTH, are they in rebellion?

 

[lightbearer]

Time for some lunch. May the LORD continue to bless us in HIS Peace and Love; Jesus Christ.

See you in a little while....

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is offered as a possible context to 1 Timothy 2:11-12. It is commentary on 1 Timothy 2:11-15 from Homily 9 on First Timothy by Chrysostom. Perhaps this is what Paul was addressing.

A woman must learn in stillness with all submission. But I do not authorize a woman to teach or to dominate a man, but to exist in stillness. 1 Timothy 2:11-12​

...there is apt to be great noise among [women in the church], much clamor and talking, and nowhere so much as in this place. They may all be seen here talking more than in the market, or at the bath. For, as if they came hither for recreation, they are all engaged in conversing upon unprofitable subjects. Thus all is confusion, and they seem not to understand, that unless they are quiet, they cannot learn anything that is useful. For when our discourse strains against the talking, and no one minds what is said, what good can it do to them?

 

[Ralph-]

How would you know and how would you have noticed a rebellious sister or brother? How do you measure this sir?

Rebellion against authority is a bad, bad sign..........in anybody.

Women are not only NOT exempt from this temptation of life but perhaps more open to it (Genesis 3:16?) because they are, by nature, under man in the order of authority.


But don't forget, women, we men have to submit to authority too. I've had to submit to some pretty terrible bosses because I had to. Learned a lot about this subject through those experiences. The easy, godly road that leads to life is to submit.


I'm quite put off by women who insist they are not under authority to anybody. The movement towards the liberation of woman has more to do with not being under anybody's authority at all, and in fact women being over others, than it does with simply not being subject to a man in the home or the church.

The end goal of the woman's movement is not to have equality, but to rule over the man completely (except when things go terribly wrong as I explained). Be careful women. Don't fall for this lie and this deception. You many think you're in it for honorable reasons, and maybe you are, but know the movement itself is NOT honorable. You could get sucked in and end up being not so honorable in a pursuit to not be accountable and under the authority of anybody anywhere and you in authority over all others.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I agree.

These days it seems being the pastor means being the events director of the church. That's all.

I guess it depends on where you go. A lot of pastors act like little popes. Totally unbiblical. Or shall I say, rebellious?

 

[Ralph-]

I guess it depends on where you go. A lot of pastors act like little popes. Totally unbiblical. Or shall I say, rebellious?

First off, a lot pastors do NOT act like little popes. Many are limp wristed events planners who make it a point to not 'offend' anybody. (Okay, I'm being a little harsh, but you get the point).

Secondly, what on earth does acting like a little pope mean? Does simply being in authority over the congregation and being accountable for them mean you're automatically an evil little pope? You'll have to explain.