The Rapture

[Roadkill]

Since men are flawed translations will have flaws. To combat this committees do translations to reduce errors. The problem exists of time. Language changes over time. Therefore a good translation in 1611 becomes flawed with this change of the language. Therefore current translations need to be used. There are parallel translation Bibles that have 4 translations side by side.

OK, let's take the word "then" that you used the word "simultaneously" in 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 17. What is it about this word that you guys think you need to retranslate this? Seriously!

Definition of then:
1- at that time; at the time in question
2- after that; next; afterward
3- in that case; therefore

Definition of simultaneously:
1- at the same time
2- at once
3- concurrently
Now I used Bing to look these two words up. Usually if two words have the same meaning you will find them in each others definitions. Not the case here.

Then can have a meaning that is close to this but it has others and to just replace it to make a point or to make a theory more plausible is inexcusable.

This is the danger of rewriting the Bible at this time. You have to KNOW the earliest version to catch a later version that is tampering with the TRUTH.

 

[Roadkill]

OK, let's take the word "then" that you used the word "simultaneously" in 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 17. What is it about this word that you guys think you need to retranslate this? Seriously!

Definition of then:
1- at that time; at the time in question
2- after that; next; afterward
3- in that case; therefore

Definition of simultaneously:
1- at the same time
2- at once
3- concurrently
Now I used Bing to look these two words up. Usually if two words have the same meaning you will find them in each others definitions. Not the case here.

Then can have a meaning that is close to this but it has others and to just replace it to make a point or to make a theory more plausible is inexcusable.

This is the danger of rewriting the Bible at this time. You have to KNOW the earliest version to catch a later version that is tampering with the TRUTH.

The point of this Endoscopy is that you earlier called me a liar.
I just used the KJV of the Bible to prove what about the version of the bible you tried to do this with......

And I, being just a humble mechanic, have been able to contest with trained theologians how..........

 

[Endoscopy]

The point of this Endoscopy is that you earlier called me a liar.
I just used the KJV of the Bible to prove what about the version of the bible you tried to do this with......

And I, being just a humble mechanic, have been able to contest with trained theologians how..........

Where did I call you a liar? I don't do that. I say someone is mistaken etc. I have posted erroneous information by mistake so I don't use the word liar!!

 

[LW97]

I am for the pre trib rapture. Can I give biblical evidence? Sure.

First off, I must tell that there are many Christian who COMPLETELY reject the rapture because the word "rapture" does not appear in the Bible. Well... neither does the word "Bible".

Read John 14:1-3: "[FONT=&quot]Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Yeah, he said he will "receive you unto MYSELF", not the other way. So it cannot be about his second coming, but about the rapture.

Furthermore, John 6:39-40: "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

What is the last day? Correct, since everybody says we are in the last days, the last day is, correct, the last day of the Church Age.[/FONT]

 

[Endoscopy]

I am for the pre trib rapture. Can I give biblical evidence? Sure.

First off, I must tell that there are many Christian who COMPLETELY reject the rapture because the word "rapture" does not appear in the Bible. Well... neither does the word "Bible".

Read John 14:1-3: "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
Yeah, he said he will "receive you unto MYSELF", not the other way. So it cannot be about his second coming, but about the rapture.

Furthermore, John 6:39-40: "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

What is the last day? Correct, since everybody says we are in the last days, the last day is, correct, the last day of the Church Age.

The problem is the rapture is part of eschatology. There are 4 Biblical views of it because of the symbolism in Daniel and Revelation. In addition Daniel says it is closed until the end. That puts Revelation in the same category. For reference here they are.

Here are a couple of sites discussing the 4 main eschatologyical views. Notice some have minor variations.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm

Eschatology, end times, & millennialism: Competing theories

 

[Roadkill]

Where did I call you a liar? I don't do that. I say someone is mistaken etc. I have posted erroneous information by mistake so I don't use the word liar!!

My bad, your are right you didn't actually use the word "liar". Someone else did.
But you did pretty much do the same without actually saying it. More than one way to skin a cat in this.
Post # 8746 last line.
In Post # 8283 using your Kool-Aid statement you also made assertion to my sanity. Wasn't the last time.
Just because you are intelligent enough to slander people without using nasty words doesn't let you off the hook.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Agreed! But to get on the same page all I can do is argue with a Scofield edition KJV bible. I'm not familiar enough with any others. Also I've read it so much in my life that I can understand 99.8 percent of Old English now. So what am I to do? I can't argue all versions of the Bible can I now? I do read modern versions but have not dedicated my life to them as to know them like the back of my hand.

You wouldn't recognise Old English if you heard it. It would sound like a foreign language to you. What you are reading in the KJV is Early Modern English.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Yes I can. The Siege of 70 AD ended in AUGUST. The other Siege of Jerusalem that Jesus also speaks of happens in WINTER. Therefor a 2 part prophecy.

Are you basing this belief on Mathew 24:20?

 

[PlainWord]

Another Nut Job about to embarrass the Church!

Biblical prophecy claims the Rapture is coming April 23, numerologist says

Is The Rapture finally here? One Christian numerologist says a biblical sign strongly suggests it.
David Meade tells the U.K.'s Daily Express newspaper that on April 23, the sun and moon will be in Virgo, as will Jupiter, which represents the Messiah.

For a certain branch of evangelical Christianity, Revelation 12:1–2 describes the beginning of what is known as the Rapture and the second coming of Christ.
The passage reads: “And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.”
In the passage, the woman is represented as Virgo.

According to Meade, the alignment represents “the Lion of the tribe of Judah,” marking the Rapture, the belief that Christ will bring the faithful into paradise prior to a period of tribulation on earth that precedes the end of time.
Meade said he believes the so-called Planet X, which is also known as Nibiru, will appear above the sky on the April date, causing volcanic eruptions, tsunamis and earthquakes.

NASA repeatedly has said Planet X is a hoax.

Speaking to the Express, Meade described it as “a unique once-in-a-century sign exactly as depicted in the 12th chapter of Revelation. This is our time marker.”

However, author Jonathan Sarfati remains skeptical. He told the Express: “As usual with any astrology (or Christian adaptations of it), one cherry-picks the stars that fit the desired conclusion.

“There is nothing to suggest that April 23 is a momentous date for biblical prophecy, and Christians need to be careful about being drawn into such sensationalist claims.

“We won’t know the day or the hour — so we should be prepared at all times!”
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

[Roadkill]

Are you basing this belief on Mathew 24:20?

Absolutely. I've explained my position to Ahwatukee many times on this.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Absolutely. I've explained my position to Ahwatukee many times on this.

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Best read it again then. It doesn't specify that the siege will happen in the winter. Jesus says pray that it won't be in winter.
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" [FONT=&quot]Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath."


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[Roadkill]

You wouldn't recognise Old English if you heard it. It would sound like a foreign language to you. What you are reading in the KJV is Early Modern English.

Excuse me? Old English is our base language. Now if you are referring to Celtic and Gaelic that is another story. That stuff is so different to be almost an alien sounding language to me. These are other forms of English. Old English is commonly believed to come around 1250 AD.

I've been all over the world too. I've worked with Scotts, Irish, English, Australian and New Zealanders. I've understood at least 99 percent of what they said to me in their accents of English.

This angel speaks just like the King James Version of the Bible is written. I can't get a regional accent from him probably because he sings when he speaks.

 

[Roadkill]

Best read it again then. It doesn't specify that the siege will happen in the winter. Jesus says pray that it won't be in winter.

"Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath."

You are absolutely correct in how it reads. Can't contest that. What I'm saying is this is a hint at the season of the siege to come.

 

[Roadkill]

Another Nut Job about to embarrass the Church!

Biblical prophecy claims the Rapture is coming April 23, numerologist says

Is The Rapture finally here? One Christian numerologist says a biblical sign strongly suggests it.
David Meade tells the U.K.'s Daily Express newspaper that on April 23, the sun and moon will be in Virgo, as will Jupiter, which represents the Messiah.

For a certain branch of evangelical Christianity, Revelation 12:1–2 describes the beginning of what is known as the Rapture and the second coming of Christ.
The passage reads: “And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.”
In the passage, the woman is represented as Virgo.

According to Meade, the alignment represents “the Lion of the tribe of Judah,” marking the Rapture, the belief that Christ will bring the faithful into paradise prior to a period of tribulation on earth that precedes the end of time.
Meade said he believes the so-called Planet X, which is also known as Nibiru, will appear above the sky on the April date, causing volcanic eruptions, tsunamis and earthquakes.

NASA repeatedly has said Planet X is a hoax.

Speaking to the Express, Meade described it as “a unique once-in-a-century sign exactly as depicted in the 12th chapter of Revelation. This is our time marker.”

However, author Jonathan Sarfati remains skeptical. He told the Express: “As usual with any astrology (or Christian adaptations of it), one cherry-picks the stars that fit the desired conclusion.

“There is nothing to suggest that April 23 is a momentous date for biblical prophecy, and Christians need to be careful about being drawn into such sensationalist claims.

“We won’t know the day or the hour — so we should be prepared at all times!”
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

I contacted David Meade personally and asked him to withdraw the Sept 2017 prediction based on the signs he was seeing. He declined. I even pointed out to him that the temple has to be rebuilt again before all of this goes down in Revelation and Daniel. He's done a lot of harm because of this and apparently won't stop.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Excuse me? Old English is our base language. Now if you are referring to Celtic and Gaelic that is another story. That stuff is so different to be almost an alien sounding language to me. These are other forms of English. Old English is commonly believed to come around 1250 AD.

I've been all over the world too. I've worked with Scotts, Irish, English, Australian and New Zealanders. I've understood at least 99 percent of what they said to me in their accents of English.

This angel speaks just like the King James Version of the Bible is written. I can't get a regional accent from him probably because he sings when he speaks.

Both branches of the [what we now call Celtic] languages, are unrelated to Old English. Those are British (Welsh) and Gaelic. Old English is Anglo Saxon and it predates the 1066 Norman invasion. After that the language became 'Latinised' Old English was used during the Middle Ages from roughly 500-1100 AD.

Here is an example of Old English, the Our Father prayer in Anglo Saxon.

 

[Roadkill]

Both branches of the [what we now call Celtic] languages, are unrelated to Old English. Those are British (Welsh) and Gaelic. Old English is Anglo Saxon and it predates the 1066 Norman invasion. After that the language became 'Latinised' Old English was used during the Middle Ages from roughly 500-1100 AD.

Here is an example of Old English, the Our Father prayer in Anglo Saxon.

Well I stand corrected. Thank you. But the KJV is the Oldest Form of English I can understand. I've honestly, out of my ignorance, thought of this as Old English. What would be the point of the angel speaking to me in a language I can't understand? So do you consider this to be the basest form of the English Language that can be understood by a English speaking person of this day and age?
I do recognize some Dutch and French in there but most of it is useless to me.
Are you suggesting I should try to learn these languages? I expressed that I am just a humble mechanic in America did I not? Don't have the time and seriously doubt I have the mental facilities to retain them if I did at this point and time of my life. LOL
But seriously, what are you getting at? This angel uses all the "Thees" and "Thous" I can stand but I still understand him. Maybe he's using the basest form of English that I can understand? Hmmmm, have to think on that one.

 

[Endoscopy]

Excuse me? Old English is our base language. Now if you are referring to Celtic and Gaelic that is another story. That stuff is so different to be almost an alien sounding language to me. These are other forms of English. Old English is commonly believed to come around 1250 AD.

I've been all over the world too. I've worked with Scotts, Irish, English, Australian and New Zealanders. I've understood at least 99 percent of what they said to me in their accents of English.

This angel speaks just like the King James Version of the Bible is written. I can't get a regional accent from himn probably because he sings when he speaks.

The more you post about this "angel" the more it sounds like one of Satan's angels. Remember that Lucifer is the great deceiver!!

 

[Endoscopy]

Both branches of the [what we now call Celtic] languages, are unrelated to Old English. Those are British (Welsh) and Gaelic. Old English is Anglo Saxon and it predates the 1066 Norman invasion. After that the language became 'Latinised' Old English was used during the Middle Ages from roughly 500-1100 AD.

Here is an example of Old English, the Our Father prayer in Anglo Saxon.

English came about with the mixture of Celtic, Latin, German (Saxon), and French (Angles). If you look at the different rules in English they can be traced back to these languages. This mixture of rules is unique to English. It is what makes English one of the hardest languages to learn. Other languages have very defined rules that work with all words and sentences. English has rules, exception to the rules, and exceptions to the exceptions. The rule about ie for example. Another is the plural of hippopotamus that is changing. Hippopotamae is the Latin plural for the us ending. We are changing it to Hippopotamus's. At present both are considered correct.

 

[tanakh]

You are absolutely correct in how it reads. Can't contest that. What I'm saying is this is a hint at the season of the siege to come.

The problem with the Pre Trib/Dispensational system is that much of the teaching is based on hints and inferences derived from interpretations of scripture and not on the plain scripture itself. The classic example is the belief that the Rapture occurs before the tribulation begins. There is not one scripture in Revelation or anywhere else that plainly states this. Considering that the main purpose of Revelation is to Unveil/Reveal what is to take place one would expect that such an important event would be spelt out.

 

[preston39]

The problem with the Pre Trib/Dispensational system is that much of the teaching is based on hints and inferences derived from interpretations of scripture and not on the plain scripture itself. The classic example is the belief that the Rapture occurs before the tribulation begins. There is not one scripture in Revelation or anywhere else that plainly states this. Considering that the main purpose of Revelation is to Unveil/Reveal what is to take place one would expect that such an important event would be spelt out.

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The problem in rejecting the biblical truth that the great tribulation will occur after the rapture.... is .....there is nothing in scriptures which says that...... it does not occur then.

Perhaps you have an explanation for that?