Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

[Magenta]

The point is, with Jesus in our life, would we even want to break the commandments.

I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. Romans 7:18-19

 

[garee]

Scripture says Gentiles don't have the Law, I'm simply repeating it. But yes it is written on our hearts, because we ALL need Christ.

As far as Gentiles who accept Christ, there's a distinction, because Paul says we are not Jew or Gentile in Christ. So freedom starts when we unite in Christ. Do you agree righteousness comes apart from the Law?

Righteousness comes in respect to the law of faith, the unseen eternal. The letter of the law, scripture kills .We walk by the law of faith in respect to the faith of Christ the author of our new faith

 

[JaumeJ]

I danced in the morning when the earth was begun
I danced on the moon in the stars and the sun.
I came down from heaven and I danced on earth
At Bethlehem I had my birth.

Dance, dance wherever you may be
I am the Lord of the dance said He,
And I will lead you all wherever you may be
An I'll lead you all in the dance said He......

 

[garee]

That would be very difficult, except maybe for the 7th.

Sabbath is not a time sensitive word .It simply mean rest.

Any time we hear his word and harden not our hearts we have entered his Sabbath. If the seventh day is the day you do not harden your heart when hearing His word... that it is that which does work for you? Today works for most

[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.​

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[SUP]5 [/SUP]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.​

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[SUP]6 [/SUP]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:​

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[SUP]7 [/SUP]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.​

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[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.Hebrew 4​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're afraid to say when gentiles believe in Christ that they have the law too because you think that means we HAVE to keep the literal observances. Well, don't be afraid for that reason because we don't have to keep the literal observances.

If the Catholics hadn't invented their own system of worship we'd all be observant anyway, just not as a required and necessary way to be in covenant with God. We do that through the new way of Christ, through our faith.

It does not matter catholic or protestant. If people are looking to the law to see what living a moral life looks like. they are looking at the wrong object. the law was not given for that purpose. It was given to lead us to christ.

Figuring out what a morally righteous lifestyle looks like is looking at Christ, and learning to love as he loved. Not by following a set of laws which are not even complete. Which can give you a FALSE sense of security.

 

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I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. Romans 7:18-19

The “desire to do good” in Rom 7:22 is so strong they can only be the words of a renewed person who admits his own weaknesses as all true repentants should. Here is a man who loves God and hates self and in that same verse he says, "I delight in the law of God."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

because they have to make up strawmen and argue against it instead of addressing what is actually said.

And they will ignore you if you keep telling them they are not understanding you, Instead of just admitting they have made a mistake. Then try to push how righteous they are.

It is just sad

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You could stay in bed and keep all ten commandments, including the fourth.

So loving God is done by taking care of our own needs of sleep and staying in bed, and not serving others?

I can think of a few of the commands which may be broken by staying in bed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is what I, and in fact every Christian I know does.

Just to add, faith itself is of the spirit.True.

Those who are preaching law. and telling everyone we must follow the law. are in no ways doing this thing, They are to focused on self (how good they are and what law they need to follow) and not others.

 

[Ralph-]

[FONT=&quot]That's pretty simple, right? If you place yourself under part of the law you have placed yourself under ALL of it.
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It's simple in your mind because you can only understand the attempt to keep the law as a person trying to justify themselves. You along with multitudes of others in the church are literally incapable of comprehending keeping the law of Moses for any other reason than for justification. You are only under the curse of the law for keeping it if you are keeping it for the express intent of justifying yourself.

The church doesn't seem to realize that it keeps part of the law, not all of it, yet it is not condemned. But they are quick to say that observant law keeping Christians are condemned because by keeping just one law they condemn themselves for not keeping all of it. If that's true for the church, then it is true for them.

But we know that's not true anyway. You are only obligated to keep the entire law to the letter if you are doing that to try to be justified. That is when nothing less than complete and perfect obedience to the letter of the law is required. But law keeping Christians do not keep the law for that purpose. So this claim that they have to keep all of it perfectly does not apply.



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NOWHERE in the bible does it say you get to pick and choose which laws to follow and which laws you don't have to.

May I ask why you pick and choose the laws that you follow?

For example, you don't make animal sacrifices (because Christ fulfilled those laws) yet you attempt to keep 'love your neighbor as yourself'-Leviticus 19:18.

Explain your reasons why you choose to do some of the law and it's okay, but that's not okay for others to do.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

If you have placed yourself under the 10 commandments then the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has NOT freed you. You are still under the law of sin and death.
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...Only if being 'under the law of sin and death' means trying to be justified by the law.

Those who are working at the 10 commandments must come to the Lord Jesus Christ to receive Rest from their work. Then, and only then, will the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus make them free from the law of sin and death.

What is this talk about resting from the 10 Commandments? Faith in Christ upholds the law of Moses-Romans 3:31.

There must be some form of un-belief that causes a person to continue in their own work at the law instead of trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ for ALL blessing and ALL righteousness.

Why is seeking to be obedient always you working in your own strength? Can't it ever be a person seeking to follow the Spirit at work in them leading them to be obedient?

Is ALL fulfilled or not? If ALL is not fulfilled then you are under ALL of it not just your favorite parts.

Then please explain why you only keep part of it then. ​

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So loving God is done by taking care of our own needs of sleep and staying in bed, and not serving others?

I can think of a few of the commands which may be broken by staying in bed.

I did not say that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That would be very difficult, except maybe for the 7th.

Nah, It would be quite easy

covet. You covet your neighbor who is always in bed, because they do not work so you take care of self and do what she does

Love Lord your God and others - you have taken care of self. and not others

Honor your parents. Your parents could have told you to get out of bed and you stayed in bed

maybe bearing false witness? Unless you told someone you were busy so you did not have to get out of bed?

 

[PS]

Those who are preaching law. and telling everyone we must follow the law. are in no ways doing this thing, They are to focused on self (how good they are and what law they need to follow) and not others.

I know.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you hated me, then I would doubt whether or not you are a child of God who said even to love our enemies.

Remember, If I love myself more than you, scriptural, I hate you (Jesus said to hate our parents etc etc) so at one day I decide to serve self and not you in that moment I hate you (love less).

That does not mean we are not saved. It just means we are acting in the flesh at that moment.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Any law is a command and any command is a law. you break the command, you break the law.

which is why it is foolhearty to try to follow a law we can not keep.

Better to love, then to do a foolish thing whcih is impossible to begin with (remember, Gods standard is perfection, break one, your done).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The point is, with Jesus in our life, would we even want to break the commandments.

If jesus is truly in our life, and we are following him, We do not even have to worry about commandments.. We should set our minds on who God wants us to serve. not what command I can do to appear righteous

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did not say that.

I know. I am just saying, If you stay in bed, this is most likely what your doing.

 

[Magenta]

The “desire to do good” in Rom 7:22 is so strong they can only be the words of a renewed person who admits his own weaknesses as all true repentants should. Here is a man who loves God and hates self and in that same verse he says, "I delight in the law of God."

And yet still does what he knows he ought not, and fails to do that which he knows he should, which answers your question, would we even want to break the commandments with Jesus in our lives? The fact of the matter is, we all fail, even in loving the Lord as we ought.

 

[posthuman]

If you hated me, then I would doubt whether or not you are a child of God who said even to love our enemies.

The point is that I can break any commandment without taking any physical action.

 

[Nehemiah6]

We should set our minds on who God wants us to serve. not what command I can do to appear righteous

Christians obey God to be righteous, not APPEAR TO BE righteous. Of course God wants us to set our minds on whom we should serve, but a large part of serving God is obeying God's commandments and Christ's commandments. That is not meant to be a charade.