Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

[eternally-gratefull]

That's a pretty harsh condemnation of James.

Did it ever occur to you that someone, like James, tells the church to keep various laws because you are to be conscious of others?

How can the truth of the law be a harsh condemnation of James?

James said that if we break even one aspect of the law we are guilty of all. James said himself it is impossible to keep the law, (unless you think you can be sinless)

but hey, You want to think you can keep it and it will make you righteous. Go for it. But good luck thinking if you focus on self thinking you will be righteous.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have nto read my recent posts..re ce from tday. Your innocent question has already been addressed.

actually he asked you a reasonable question, but as usual, you deflect and then get upset .

 

[Ralph-]

That's not what scripture says. Scripture says that if you work at the law you are under the curse because you are on the hook for ALL of it.

Then YOU are on the hook for all of it. Because you only keep part of it.

If you insist on defining 'work at the law' as any and all keeping of the law, instead of trying to be justified by the law, then YOU are under the curse because even believers only keep part of the law.

To be 'of the works of the law' means to be relying on the works of the law to be justified, not simply being in obedience to the law. Because, as I say, if that's what it means then even YOU are under the curse of the law because you only keep part of the law and not all of it.

There is no such thing as a law keeping Christian.

I'm distinguishing between Christians who are observant (observe the Mosaic ceremonial law worship schedule and method) and Christians who do not.


Even if I literally meant 'law keeping Christians' I'd mean it exactly the way John means Christians who keep the law:


"3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him"-1 John 2:4

There are those who work at the law and fail.

Working at the law means trying to be justified by the law. Everyone who tries to be justified by the law will indeed fail. There is no argument there. The argument is that 'working at the law' does not mean simply being in obedience to the law. If that were true then all Christians, observant and non-observant, are under the curse of the law. Including YOU since you say you only keep the law 'love your neighbor as yourself'-Leviticus 19:18.

Because the law is not fulfilled by a persons carnal will and carnal strength.

EVERYBODY knows this.

Obedience to God's commands can only be accomplished through the power of the Holy Spirit. EVERY Christians knows this. Even observant Christians know this. They plainly and openly say they do not keep the law in order to be justified but keep it because that's what believers do - keep the commands of God (1 John 2:3-4). The same reason YOU keep the commands of God. You just differ on what laws constitute the expected obediences of the one who believes.

And there are those who Rest in Christ.

And we know who is resting in Christ by the fact that THEY KEEP THE COMMANDS OF GOD (1 John 2:3-4). But you have been taught that keeping the commands of God is automatically and without exception you trying to earn your own salvation and that it can't possibly be anything else. Even though you say you keep the law 'love your neighbor as yourself'. The duplicity of your argument is astounding.

I don't pick and choose laws.

Yes you do pick and choose laws.

You have decided to 'love your neighbor as yourself' and nothing else. And you say that because you think that somehow means you do not have to do any other law in the law of Moses. Not knowing that if you really are loving your neighbor as yourself you keep the laws that are you loving your neighbor ('do not steal', 'do not commit adultery', etc.).

I am dead to laws.

You won't understand this, but you know that you are dead to the law by if you uphold the law.

In context, being dead to the law means your flesh is crucified and the law can not arouse sin in you anymore. But you think it means not having laws to obey anymore.

I am alive to Christ and His Holy Spirit.

We know if that's true by if you keep the commands of God (1 John 2:3-4). But you claim that if you are keeping God's commands you can only be in the power of your own flesh and trying to justify yourself. Yet you don't realize that when you yourself keep God's commands it doesn't automatically mean that.

It means working at it because your carnal understanding has told you that is what is right and good.

No, for the Christian, the Spirit tells you what is right and good in your now softened and sensitized heart and THAT'S why you then seek to do it. That's what it means to have the law written on a heart of flesh now, instead of hardened hearts like tablets of stone.

If you want to talk about carnal understanding. Carnal understanding means you continue in your sinful, lustful, greedy, ungodly ways and you think that's okay because if you lifted a finger to stop acting out those impulses you'd be guilty of trying to justify yourself. That is carnal thinking, but that is exactly what the vast majority of the church thinks these days.

I don't think you understand what you have just said.

You get one or the other. Your work at the 10 commandments or Rest in Christ by Faith.

I think you do not understand that you are resting in Christ if you are keeping God's commandments-1 John 2:3-4.

In the church today, obedience is you trying to justify yourself and work your way to heaven while disobedience is you resting in Christ for fear of you being guilty of trying to justify yourself.

You are seeking to be obedient to your own understanding of which laws you think are most important.

That is not obedience.

No, I get what literal commands I HAVE to be obedient to and which ones I do not from scripture.

When you keep the commands of God that is indeed called 'obedience' and it is what people who know Christ do (1 John 2:3-4). These days, the person sitting around in front of his TV or computer indulging the appetites of the flesh are the obedient ones not trying to earn their salvation, while the person following the commands of God are the disobedient ones trying to earn their own salvation.

I don't look to the law to try and keep any of it in my own understanding.

We look to the Holy Spirit for power to keep God's commandments. And the New Testament uses the law to help us discern what situations and circumstances we are to rely on the Spirit to help us obey God in. But the church thinks doing that is trying to serve God in their own power and trying to justify yourself.

Any time I attempt to grow these fruit by my own understanding and strength I fail. Without the Lord Jesus Christ we can do nothing.

The mistake you make is thinking that everybody else who obeys the commands of God is instantly and without exception doing that in their own strength and trying to earn their own salvation. But of course when you obey the law it can only mean you are doing that through the Spirit and resting in Christ.

Galatians 3:24-25

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

DO you see the parallels here? Do you see what Christ is telling us?
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You do not see that coming to Christ and entering into his rest is now being obedient to his commands, not being released from them so that you do not have to do them because Christ kept them for you. Some he did keep for us so that there is no remaining debt of literal fulfillment remaining for us to satisfy. But all the laws about being clean of defilement and how to treat other people remain for us to fulfill and satisfy. Christ does not fulfill those for you in this life. He fulfilled them in the sense of removing the guilt associated with your non-compliance. But he does not fulfill them for you in actual practice. YOU do that. And you do it through the power of the Spirit he gave you to do it in. That's not you trying to justify yourself. That's you being the Christian, now set free from sin, you are created in Christ to be.

 

[Ralph-]

How can the truth of the law be a harsh condemnation of James?

James said that if we break even one aspect of the law we are guilty of all. James said himself it is impossible to keep the law, (unless you think you can be sinless)

but hey, You want to think you can keep it and it will make you righteous. Go for it. But good luck thinking if you focus on self thinking you will be righteous.

Pay attention to the point.

James teaches the law to the church in his letter. But you and countless others think doing that is automatically you trying to serve God in your own power, and trying to be justified by the law, and <ahem> you trying to appear self righteous. I'm confident that James was not teaching the law to the church for any of those purposes. But apparently you do.


You probably don't recognize the laws that James is teaching because you are the victim of a church that has taught us that all things 'law' in any context are evil and wicked and to be rejected, and so we don't know much about anything written to the left of Matthew in the Bible.

 

[Studyman]

How can the truth of the law be a harsh condemnation of James?

James said that if we break even one aspect of the law we are guilty of all. James said himself it is impossible to keep the law, (unless you think you can be sinless)

but hey, You want to think you can keep it and it will make you righteous. Go for it. But good luck thinking if you focus on self thinking you will be righteous.

I believe we are "Well able to overcome" as the Word which became Flesh instructs us to do, with His Help that He promised to those who not only have His Word's, but strive to Walk in them. . Caleb also believed God's Word's over the objections and slander of the MANY" who come in God's Name, and he was blessed for " Following God Wholly " instead of buckling to the pressure of those "MANY" who called the Word their God, but didn't believe in His instructions.

One common theme among all of the examples of "Faith" is that they believed God and did as He instructed even though they were railed against by religious man in many cases. Your Word's are only a continuation of what Jesus, the Word which became Flesh, warned about all those years ago and do more to build my Faith in Him and His Wisdom that most anything else I experience.

I truly hope the Brethren can see and witness this truth.

Praise God for His Son, the Word which became Flesh, and for His Word's which last forever.

 

[JaumeJ]

Many here believe the law has been inscribed in our inward parts on the fleshy tablets of our hearts.

I am one of these people.

Couple the above with study of the Teaching of our Master (Teacher), and you will find when reading th laws in the Ot, YOU R HEAR WILL ATTEST TO THE ONES that are not yet fulfilled. Actually, in the sense ouf our Salvation they are fufilled yet ext6ant.

If some of you are yet afraid of the curse of the law, think on this. The curse was destroyed for all of us on the cross, not the remaining laws containe in love.

If you do not study all of the Bible you are not qualified to speak in terms of all the prophecis, wisdom and understanding containe inall of the Word. You see, Jesus is the Word.

 

[JaumeJ]

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

[mailmandan]

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.

 

[JaumeJ]

Young man, do you not think I post what I know. Also, believe is more to imitating Jesus, did you also know that?

I guess you must think I am just an ignorant hillbilly from Mssouri. Actually, I am all that except totally ignorant as are som e who seem to have a lot of stones on their person. Schade.......German for shame

The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.

 

[mailmandan]

Young man, do you not think I post what I know. Also, believe is more to imitating Jesus, did you also know that?

I guess you must think I am just an ignorant hillbilly from Mssouri. Actually, I am all that except totally ignorant as are som e who seem to have a lot of stones on their person. Schade.......German for shame

Ignorant hillbilly from Missouri? LOL! I'm from Missouri.

Also, believe is more to imitating Jesus, did you also know that?

Why don't you explain that to this ignorant hillbilly from Missouri.

 

[gb9]

Young man, do you not think I post what I know. Also, believe is more to imitating Jesus, did you also know that?

I guess you must think I am just an ignorant hillbilly from Mssouri. Actually, I am all that except totally ignorant as are som e who seem to have a lot of stones on their person. Schade.......German for shame

well, I do not think you are an ignorant hillbilly. I think you ( and some others ) know exactly what you are doing. and why you are doing it. and what is the reason behind it.

 

[JaumeJ]

Gee, you may want tome ammunition then.

If anyone says Jesus Christ did not teach the law, that person ithinking either Jesus lied , He is stupid or crazy.-

I believe Jesus Christ. I have spent the past 50 odd years "getting to know Him."

So many cannot even quote what He has to say on a given subject, and this is because they do not learn directly from
Him, God.............

 

[Grandpa]

Then YOU are on the hook for all of it. Because you only keep part of it.

If you insist on defining 'work at the law' as any and all keeping of the law, instead of trying to be justified by the law, then YOU are under the curse because even believers only keep part of the law.

To be 'of the works of the law' means to be relying on the works of the law to be justified, not simply being in obedience to the law. Because, as I say, if that's what it means then even YOU are under the curse of the law because you only keep part of the law and not all of it.




I'm distinguishing between Christians who are observant (observe the Mosaic ceremonial law worship schedule and method) and Christians who do not.


Even if I literally meant 'law keeping Christians' I'd mean it exactly the way John means Christians who keep the law:


"3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him"-1 John 2:4





Working at the law means trying to be justified by the law. Everyone who tries to be justified by the law will indeed fail. There is no argument there. The argument is that 'working at the law' does not mean simply being in obedience to the law. If that were true then all Christians, observant and non-observant, are under the curse of the law. Including YOU since you say you only keep the law 'love your neighbor as yourself'-Leviticus 19:18.





EVERYBODY knows this.

Obedience to God's commands can only be accomplished through the power of the Holy Spirit. EVERY Christians knows this. Even observant Christians know this. They plainly and openly say they do not keep the law in order to be justified but keep it because that's what believers do - keep the commands of God (1 John 2:3-4). The same reason YOU keep the commands of God. You just differ on what laws constitute the expected obediences of the one who believes.





And we know who is resting in Christ by the fact that THEY KEEP THE COMMANDS OF GOD (1 John 2:3-4). But you have been taught that keeping the commands of God is automatically and without exception you trying to earn your own salvation and that it can't possibly be anything else. Even though you say you keep the law 'love your neighbor as yourself'. The duplicity of your argument is astounding.





Yes you do pick and choose laws.

You have decided to 'love your neighbor as yourself' and nothing else. And you say that because you think that somehow means you do not have to do any other law in the law of Moses. Not knowing that if you really are loving your neighbor as yourself you keep the laws that are you loving your neighbor ('do not steal', 'do not commit adultery', etc.).





You won't understand this, but you know that you are dead to the law by if you uphold the law.

In context, being dead to the law means your flesh is crucified and the law can not arouse sin in you anymore. But you think it means not having laws to obey anymore.





We know if that's true by if you keep the commands of God (1 John 2:3-4). But you claim that if you are keeping God's commands you can only be in the power of your own flesh and trying to justify yourself. Yet you don't realize that when you yourself keep God's commands it doesn't automatically mean that.





No, for the Christian, the Spirit tells you what is right and good in your now softened and sensitized heart and THAT'S why you then seek to do it. That's what it means to have the law written on a heart of flesh now, instead of hardened hearts like tablets of stone.

If you want to talk about carnal understanding. Carnal understanding means you continue in your sinful, lustful, greedy, ungodly ways and you think that's okay because if you lifted a finger to stop acting out those impulses you'd be guilty of trying to justify yourself. That is carnal thinking, but that is exactly what the vast majority of the church thinks these days.





I think you do not understand that you are resting in Christ if you are keeping God's commandments-1 John 2:3-4.

In the church today, obedience is you trying to justify yourself and work your way to heaven while disobedience is you resting in Christ for fear of you being guilty of trying to justify yourself.





No, I get what literal commands I HAVE to be obedient to and which ones I do not from scripture.

When you keep the commands of God that is indeed called 'obedience' and it is what people who know Christ do (1 John 2:3-4). These days, the person sitting around in front of his TV or computer indulging the appetites of the flesh are the obedient ones not trying to earn their salvation, while the person following the commands of God are the disobedient ones trying to earn their own salvation.





We look to the Holy Spirit for power to keep God's commandments. And the New Testament uses the law to help us discern what situations and circumstances we are to rely on the Spirit to help us obey God in. But the church thinks doing that is trying to serve God in their own power and trying to justify yourself.





The mistake you make is thinking that everybody else who obeys the commands of God is instantly and without exception doing that in their own strength and trying to earn their own salvation. But of course when you obey the law it can only mean you are doing that through the Spirit and resting in Christ.





You do not see that coming to Christ and entering into his rest is now being obedient to his commands, not being released from them so that you do not have to do them because Christ kept them for you. Some he did keep for us so that there is no remaining debt of literal fulfillment remaining for us to satisfy. But all the laws about being clean of defilement and how to treat other people remain for us to fulfill and satisfy. Christ does not fulfill those for you in this life. He fulfilled them in the sense of removing the guilt associated with your non-compliance. But he does not fulfill them for you in actual practice. YOU do that. And you do it through the power of the Spirit he gave you to do it in. That's not you trying to justify yourself. That's you being the Christian, now set free from sin, you are created in Christ to be.

You seem to have a basic lack of understanding. No matter how simple scripture is stated you add your own incorrect understanding to it.

I don't keep only part of it. That is what you aren't getting. Christians don't look to the law to keep any part of it.


You can understand this by animal sacrifices. You don't perform those. Why not? Because you have FAITH that the Lord has fulfilled that law completely.

But you lack the faith in Christ' words that say not one jot or one tittle shall fall from the law until ALL is fulfilled.

Did you know that righteousness, and therefore obedience, does not come by the law? If you are not righteous by the law then being obedient to your understanding of it doesn't make you righteous, obviously.

Lawyers ALWAYS say they aren't trying to be justified by the law they are just being obedient. Obedience IS Justification. How do these "smart" lawyers not understand that?

Let's look at it this way. If you try to do something but always fail have you done it or not? No, you haven't. So if you say you are "obedient" and you're trying to say working at the law is what constitutes that then you are constantly in FAILURE. You are constantly under condemnation and the threat of death because you DON'T obey the law.

You that desire to be under the law do you hear what it says? Obviously not.

It doesn't matter if you aren't trying to be justified by it if it is your bar for obedience you aren't obedient either. Except maybe in the imagination of your own mind. Which is pure silliness. To everyone I suppose except you.

The Lord Jesus Christ takes down all these strongholds when you come to Him.

2 Corinthians 10:4-5

[SUP]4 [/SUP](For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

So, when you are trying to find out if you are 'obedient' who should you compare yourself to?

Listen to Christ.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

You're pretty much up a creek, right? Me too. When we look at ourselves. Our ONLY hope is our faith in Christ. And that is why Rest is so important.

Galatians 3:12-14

[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.​

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[eternally-gratefull]

Pay attention to the point.

James teaches the law to the church in his letter. But you and countless others think doing that is automatically you trying to serve God in your own power, and trying to be justified by the law, and <ahem> you trying to appear self righteous. I'm confident that James was not teaching the law to the church for any of those purposes. But apparently you do.


You probably don't recognize the laws that James is teaching because you are the victim of a church that has taught us that all things 'law' in any context are evil and wicked and to be rejected, and so we don't know much about anything written to the left of Matthew in the Bible.

No.

James is teaching grace to the church, If you understood the law. You would understand this, But you can not comprehend the fact that as paul said

Rom 4: [SUP]15 [/SUP]because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

Or again as paul said.

Gal 3: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

All which James confirms hen he makes it known.

James 2: 10 - For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus did not teach the law. He came to fulfill it

He taught mercy, love forgiveness, Serving people who hate you, loving your enemies.

The law does not teach those things. It was not given for purposes of showing us what God wanted, Only to place us under wrath so we may find christ when he came.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The law does not teach those things. It was not given for purposes of showing us what God wanted, Only to place us under wrath so we may find christ when he came.

This is only PARTIALLY TRUE. It is important that Christians understand the whole truth about the Law (the Ten Commandments). Not only does the Law condemn the sinner, but simultaneously it displays the holiness and righteousness of God, and it undergirds the Law of Christ.

THE LAW CONDEMNS THE SINNER
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

BUT THE GOSPEL ALSO ESTABLISHES THE LAW

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

In a matter as critical as this, it does no one good to promote half-truths. I believe others have already brought the other side of the Law to your attention, but you persist in presenting only half the truth about the Law.

 

[Studyman]

Jesus did not teach the law. He came to fulfill it

He taught mercy, love forgiveness, Serving people who hate you, loving your enemies.

The law does not teach those things. It was not given for purposes of showing us what God wanted, Only to place us under wrath so we may find christ when he came.

That is what you preach. But what does Jesus, The Word which became Flesh, teach?

Duet. 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God (Word which became Flesh) require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God,(As Required for Salvation) and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: (that He Created for our own good as He told us) and his commandments are not grievous. (Not burdensome and impossible as you and "MANY" who Come in His Name Preach)

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

You preach "He taught mercy, love forgiveness, The law does not teach those things"


Matt. 23:Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is what you preach. But what does Jesus, The Word which became Flesh, teach?

Duet. 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God (Word which became Flesh) require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God,(As Required for Salvation) and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: (that He Created for our own good as He told us) and his commandments are not grievous. (Not burdensome and impossible as you and "MANY" who Come in His Name Preach)

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

You preach "He taught mercy, love forgiveness, The law does not teach those things"


Matt. 23:Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

jesus said it best.

Matt 22: [FONT=&quot]Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[d] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]38 This is the first and great commandment.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]39 And the second islike it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[e] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]all those passages you posted, these are the commands they are talking about. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[lightbearer]

Quote Originally Posted by Cee
You’re right. Paul said faith is the end of the Law for those who believe. This was written so Israel would turn to Christ.

No he said, For Christ (the word, the Book of the Law in our hearts and in our mouths) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Quote Originally Posted by Cee
He quoted Deuteronomy so they would see that they needed Christ since the beginning. So what about Gentiles? (Romans 2)

Romans 10 is addressing Jew and Gentile. The Law; the Word; Christ is our hearts, minds and mouths that we do it that is the Faith in which we preach. No longer is the ministry of Ink on parchment and Tables of Stone. But the ministry is us through Christ; the word; the law in our hearts, minds, and mouths.

He didn't say anything of the sort.

Faith in Christ is the END of the Law for those who believe.

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That is not what the verse says. Romans is to Jew and Gentile alike. The letter is addressed to a mixed congregation. Romans 10:6-8 is a quote from Deut. 30:10-14. Paul paraphrased it so that they would look it up. We will start in verse six of Deut. 30 so that it is clear that the Gospel was taught and available since Moses if not before.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
(Deu 30:6 KJV)

The fulfillment of this circumcision from GOD of Christ is stated in Deut 30:10-14. The readers of this letter would have been drawn to this passage from the beginning of the letter. For It is written, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."(Rom 2:28-29 KJV)

This GOD promised to do in Deut. 30:6. Which when he did, he then spoke the fulfilment of it in verses 10-14. Please take notice to the present tense.
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deut 30:10-14 KJV)

The LXX translation of this text adds "and in thy hand" to verse 14.

With the all the above text in mind please note that the phrases "HIS commandments and HIS statutes which are written in this book of the law" and "the Word" are being used synonymously. In this instance they are interchangeable. Also Please take notice that in Deut. 30 the Judgments are not mentioned.

With that being established let's take a look at Romans 10:6-8 now.

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

So while the Israelis and Romans were reading this letter they would have been reading the Pentateuch and some of the other books from the Old Testament also. Actually with more regard. When they came to this verse they would of seen the similarities to Deut. and would have looked up the verses there and read them in parallel. In doing so would have tied everything together synonymously keeping everything in harmony to one another.

For the LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of our seed. For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; the Divine utterances; Christ, the Word manifested in the flesh manifested in our flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart and in thy hand: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

And that my friends would include all the moral code in the Book of the Law and the Decalogue. Including the Sabbath.


With the above understanding of verses Rom. 10:6-8; when they read verse four they would have understood it as Christ in our hearts being the goal of the law for righteousness sake in the putting off the body of Sin through the indwelling of Christ. Not of the letter but of HIS Spirit.

As it is written, "And they two shall be one flesh". The Body of Christ; the Temple of GOD. For it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. As Jesus said, "HE doeth work"! No longer is the ministry of Ink on parchment and Tables of Stone. But the ministry is us through Christ; the word; the law in our hearts, minds, and mouths.

The New Covenant; For GOD has said I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. Not of the Letter, but of the Spirit. Not on Tables of Stone but on the Fleshy Tables of the Heart.

 

[JaumeJ]

Again, soneone does not hear Jesus Christ yet will speak for Him in His place.

In giving the Gospel in par in Hessermon on the mount Jesus made several references to the law, teaching the law in the manner it should be understood.........

Do not take my word for it, read what Jesus says and how He teaches law now that we have no fear of it.....


When He declared He did not come to destroy the Law and the Prophets, He was not folling around. He continued in saying He came to fulfill them. He has for me, but if you read Him further anyone who can read willunderstand the law, according to His teaching in the Godpel, is still quite valid and good.

People coming in saying anyone who is pleased to obey Jesus Chrsit.....all of His teaching.....is under the law are very mistaken about what mercy and grace are. They direct others to disobedience. You know, OSAS.......

That is what you preach. But what does Jesus, The Word which became Flesh, teach?

Duet. 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God (Word which became Flesh) require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God,(As Required for Salvation) and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: (that He Created for our own good as He told us) and his commandments are not grievous. (Not burdensome and impossible as you and "MANY" who Come in His Name Preach)

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

You preach "He taught mercy, love forgiveness, The law does not teach those things"


Matt. 23:Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.