Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

[gb9]

Who is trying to cram people under the old covenant? I am not advocating we find a Levite priest to administer God’s laws. I am not advocating the slaughter of animals for the atonement of sins.

I know you don’t read and study my posts, do you even read your own?

The Jews “bewitched” the Galatians by trying to push justification of sins by the Old Covenant, not yours or the Popes, but the covenant as described by the Word which became flesh.

You are preaching a different covenant than Jesus taught.

no one should be studying YOUR posts, they should be studying the Bible. your posts are not study worthy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have an up side down doctrine;

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete


Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."


1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”


1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

No you do

Jesus said on those two commands hang ALL THE LAW

According to the law. Israel was not to hang around any unclean things, They had to shun some people. Jesus said no it is not that way, WHo is your neighbor? Your enemy, the one who hates on you, the one who persecutes you. etc etc..

You want to push all the law. and think because you do God will give you some pat on the back. Good luck with that.

Me, I will continue to push what brings true moral living, the law of Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Honestly, if you really believe this, then you will believe anything!

Nobody I know, including myself, knew the Torah when we came to Christ....
We knew we were sinners yes, but no knowledge of the Torah!

This ridiculous assertion that only those who know the Torah come to Jesus is just utter nonsense!

I have witnessed to people who had never even heard of Jesus Christ prior to me speaking, never mind what a Jew was, and definitely not what the Torah was!
Yet, they came to Christ because they knew that they were sinners - al apart from the Torah!

This knowledge of sinfulness came from the Genesis chapter 3 (something we all share - whether we have actually read it for ourselves or not) not Exodus to Deuteronomy...

Honestly, some of the things said on this forum would be really funny if they weren't so tragic...

Thank you, I was going to say this, but since you have, I will not (he has me on ignore anyway and would not see it)

It is sad how these law pushers can not see the truth of what the law really is,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yet Paul who trained under Gamaliel, could recite verbatim the entire Torah from memory alone, a requirement to study under Gamaliel...

Virtually Every Israylite knew it, in the day this was written anyone born in Israyl knew the Law... It is a Law to read the Law in the town square every 7 years and all citiziens are supposed to be there to hear it...

This is why:

Romans 3:1Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? 2Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God.

oracles are LIVING WORDS.

now of course gentiles do not know it, or most didn't, samaritans had the same Torah but with 183 alterations for example, but most gentiles probably did not know it, if it was an advantage to know it, that means it is a disadvantage not to know it.

I grew up not knowing it and when I asked I was told it was for the Jews only, until I read the word for myself...

Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”



Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”


John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

yep, And remember, this same paul killed christians until Jesus confronted him and opened his eyes. The same jews crucified christ, because they thought he was not their messiah (they did not think they needed saved)

So much for bible knowledge helping people know God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Honestly I believe Jesus Christ. No one here who claims to believe Him saying they love and they live in grace seems to hear what He teaches on the law, how He has freed us completely form its curse yet there remain some, those that are contained in Love, we must never stop using as our guide to perfection. No we do not perfect ourselves, but we must not resist God' perfecting us, and His word is theWay in Christ. Man does not live on bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God, amen.

Now be honest and understand the Word from God, that is Jesus.

The law is not the guide to perfection, it can not show you how to live a perfect life,

The law is the guide to Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Keep repeating your failure to read the reply already given. It does not matter how many time s a lie is repeated it is still a lie.

Who are you to put down some kind of personal law applied to others. Just read the repl already given. You are unique.

The truth is even your repeated questions have ceased to make any sense.

As usual, He can not answer the question, so he blame shifts.

Not worth it.

 

[Studyman]

no one should be studying YOUR posts, they should be studying the Bible. your posts are not study worthy.

I see.

So then this ain’t a Bible discussion forum where we read each other’s posts for admonishment.

That explains a lot.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You keep repeat your technique not to answer, when you know your false teaching will uncover with that answer.

Be honest in discussions dear, or the devil will keep his false teaching on you.

If you teaching biblical, why you not answer simple question

do you agree with apostle Paul that say, after faith, we no longer under the law?

chose a or b, below for your answer

a agree

b not agree

He wont answer, Then when people go to him and say he is teaching that Paul was wrong, that we are still under the law (Because everything he says would lead them to believe that isi true) he will get mad and attack them.

It is a habit of his.

 

[gb9]

I see.

So then this ain’t a Bible discussion forum where we read each other’s posts for admonishment.

That explains a lot.

the key word here is - discussion . I have no problem with having a peaceful discussion with anyone. but, when someone ( you ) just attacks, belittles other's knowledge of Scripture, and accuses anyone who disagrees with them of being " corrupted by catholic traditions ", then that is not going to produce peaceful conversation.

but, since you regularly use argument tactics , I highly doubt peaceful conversation was ever your goal.

 

[JaumeJ]

I have had this problem with another today.

I posted something, and he, responding, began to ask questions with the response already in my post to which he claimed to be responding.

No, no one need study any post but they do need to read any to which they respond.

Please make certain you are not doing the same with Studyman or anyone else for that matter, there is nothing
in a peaceful dialogue any more hypocritical than to practice this type of deceit.

no one should be studying YOUR posts, they should be studying the Bible. your posts are not study worthy.

 

[JaumeJ]

Another serious form of deceit is to post a personal doctrine in the guise of responding to another,.

My posting is based solely on the teaching of the Master, Jesus Christ.......not on something a group has decided is the only way to understand..

 

[Jackson123]

Here below is your mention and my own reply to your burning issue. Now I AM NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO YOUR NOT READING THE POSTS to which you say are not answers to your question. You have , in effect, lied to all who read your repeated questio that has been responded to.........if you ask again, I can only think you are possessed by some kind of spirit other than the Holy Spirit.

That is not straightforward answer Paul say we aren't under the law anymore after faith you agree or not.

And you say, no one say obedience is being under the law. So basically you agree with Paul that we aren't under the law. Than you must agree we don't need to do the OT law about sabbath don't you?

 

[Jackson123]

forgive me, I thought I did, my mistake and thank you for asking.

It is Galatians 3:
Galatians 3 New King James Version (NKJV)

Justification by Faith

3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth,[SUP][a][/SUP] before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you[SUP][b][/SUP] as crucified? [SUP]2 [/SUP]This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— [SUP]6 [/SUP]just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]9 [/SUP]So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
The Law Brings a Curse

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[SUP][g][/SUP]
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[SUP][h][/SUP]), [SUP]14 [/SUP]that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
The Changeless Promise

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[SUP][i][/SUP] who is Christ. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,[SUP][j][/SUP] that it should make the promise of no effect. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Purpose of the Law

[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Sons and Heirs

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

thanks brother, finally I get what book is this verse from.

 

[gb9]

I have had this problem with another today.

I posted something, and he, responding, began to ask questions with the response already in my post to which he claimed to be responding.

No, no one need study any post but they do need to read any to which they respond.

Please make certain you are not doing the same with Studyman or anyone else for that matter, there is nothing
in a peaceful dialogue any more hypocritical than to practice this type of deceit.

yeah, I carefully read your post last year where you said that " real , mature Christians do not need to read Paul's letters, they were for churches with certain problems, and if you do not have those problems, then one does not need to read Paul ".

so, thanks for the advice, but I know exactly what you, studydude, and a few others are trying to do. I have little interest in your words once an agenda is reviled. I am speaking at the mindset behind the words. that is what is important.

 

[Gabriel2020]

Once you have been saved, you become a new creature in Christ Jesus. You are no longer under the law or it's curse as a New believer. Now there is no law to be broken, so therefore the law of God is established in you which is obedience to the word of God. You now have the Holy Spirit in you ,which are the laws written on your heart, and mind that causes you to do the will of God. Once these laws have been established in your heart, and you break one of these laws, you break them all, because they are bonded together as one perfect law. Each person that have come o Christ Jesus establish the law of God in their own hearts. JAMES;1-25; But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty,and continueth therein ,he being not a forgetful hearer; but a doer of the work,this man shall be blessed in his deeds.

 

[JaumeJ]

Your question was answered quite clarly, directly to you when you immediately began to question my response and several times earlier in this thread.

I know your post now is only to impress other readers, so why not address them directly in lieu of attempting to make soemone who loves Jesus Christ look bad, in error......

That is not straightforward answer Paul say we aren't under the law anymore after faith you agree or not.

And you say, no one say obedience is being under the law. So basically you agree with Paul that we aren't under the law. Than you must agree we don't need to do the OT law about sabbath don't you?

 

[JaumeJ]

Again, I know I am saved by grace, that is, the Blood of the Lamb of God.

I know Jesus did not destroy the law, only fuflled it leaving very few in vigor.

I know I obey Jesus Christ and teh law as He has clarified it for His disciples..

The grace and mercy in which I live is never an excuse to disobey Jesus Christ.

The curse of the law is the only thing destroyed for me, that is ay guilf of trespass I may have is not
seen by the Fathger for I am seen as clean always.

There is no excuse to deliberately sin, except the wretched beings that we are, this is why we
need our Mediator.

Those who preadch teh law is no longer are assigning a lie to Jesus Christ, and this is noto of
even the least understanding of His Gospel

I obey as best I am given Jesus Christ because of His wonderful sacrifice for me and for all who are saved.

Do not tell me that I am not expected to obey the laws containe in actul Love..........If you say you love but you
still believe suich a thing, you neither love nor obey the law as it is now for truly saved in grace brethren.

The curse of the law, death, was crucified with Jesus christ, but never the law...........do not teach against the law
as it is clarifed by Jesus Christ. Do not eve pronounce upon it, for it can only be of ignorance or malice.

 

[posthuman]

Any change in an agreement makes the agreement a new agreement. You still refuse to accept what The Word which became Flesh tells us what changed. He said the Priesthood changed, He said what the new covenant is. He said He would write His Laws, not different laws. It is you who twist His Words to support your ancient religious traditions.

He said why the covenant changed from the old way sins were forgiven and His Laws are administered to the new way sins are forgiven and His Laws are administered.

He spells it out in Jer. Exactly what He was going to do. It is you that adds to His Word. Not me.

You unbelief does not make His Words void.

If you insist that only priesthood changed you need to figure out how God speaking through Paul can say physical circumcision is making the cross of none effect.

 

[Gabriel2020]

We as believers and have been saved are not guilty of breaking any law.,because there is no law to break. Romans;5 ; 13; For until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law.. ROMANS;8; 2; For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin. ROMANS; 7; 22; For I delight in the law of God after the inward man. There are two kinds of laws. , the law of sin which is the flesh, and the law of God,and the spirit of life ,which is the spirit man. These two are at war with each other in us. So we must continue to walk in the spirit to defeat the flesh daily.

 

[JaumeJ]

My only question can be, why does Jesus tell us not to teach against any of th law? As far as I know it is only the curse of the law that is dead.

If Paul states, "should we sin more that grace will abound? God forbid." He is saying do not sin. He is not speaking to pagans rather to the Israel of God, all who believe Him

We as believers and have been saved are not guilty of breaking any law.,because there is no law to break. Romans;5 ; 13; For until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law.. ROMANS;8; 2; For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin. ROMANS; 7; 22; For I delight in the law of God after the inward man. There are two kinds of laws. , the law of sin which is the flesh, and the law of God,and the spirit of life ,which is the spirit man. These two are at war with each other in us. So we must continue to walk in the spirit to defeat the flesh daily.