Jesus, King of the Jews

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JaumeJ

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By the way, your opening declaration here is way out of line since the occupation was Rome not Greece at the time of Christ's first advent.... But you just keep thinking everyone was speaking Greek.

Jesus almost certainly understood Koine Greek, everyone did at that time in Palestine, he would not generally have conversed with Jewish people in Greek. He would have spoken Aramaic and Hebrew - especially when reading from the Torah.

However, it is also true that what we now call the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, and even the quotations from what we call the Old Testament that are found in the New Testament came from a version translated in Greek called the Septuagint. Maybe there are a couple of exceptions that I am unaware of...

I would astounded if it were to be proved, in some way, that Jesus ministered in any other language than Hebrew/Aramaic...
 

graceNpeace

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By the way, your opening declaration here is way out of line since the occupation was Rome not Greece at the time of Christ's first advent.... But you just keep thinking everyone was speaking Greek.
You obviously have short term memory loss!

I explained in some detail that BEFORE the Romans came to Palestine it was part of an empire originally carved out by Alexander the Great. That empire in various forms existed for some centuries before it was in turn conquered by the Romans.
By that time, not just Palestine but most of the Mediterranean had well and truly embraced the Greek language and customs.
The Romans did not reverse this process of Hellenisation.
They could care less what language and customs people had as long as they bowed the knee to Roman authority.

So, by the way, the language spoken right across the Roman Empire, at the time that Jesus Christ walked on earth, was Koine Greek!
It was the second language of most but it was still the lingua franca spoken all over the Roman empire INCLUDING Palestine!

I have got to say that this information is so easily independently verifiable that there can only be one reason that you refuse to accept what I am saying and that is an incorrect, but preconceived religious ideation...
 

JaumeJ

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Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the peoples of a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Jehovah, to serve him with one consent.
 

trofimus

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Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the peoples of a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Jehovah, to serve him with one consent.
Zep 3:9 Then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him shoulder to shoulder.
 

graceNpeace

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Did this one get through you? Oh right!
Seriously!

That is MY post!
And, simply reading it, how does that prove your accusation that anyone is saying that Jesus ONLY taught and spoke Greek.
I thought that you had a degree in English, but it seems as if simple comprehension is beyond you...
 

JaumeJ

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You ask, I respond, you decide you do not like the response.......that is definitely a sin fin attitude.

Seriously!

That is MY post!
And, simply reading it, how does that prove your accusation that anyone is saying that Jesus ONLY taught and spoke Greek.
I thought that you had a degree in English, but it seems as if simple comprehension is beyond you...
 

JaumeJ

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Yes, I am familiar with this translation, much more poetic as is the Hebrew language... It is the same in all languages it seems, though I only read it ia few of them.

Zep 3:9 Then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him shoulder to shoulder.
 

trofimus

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Yes, I am familiar with this translation, much more poetic as is the Hebrew language... It is the same in all languages it seems, though I only read it ia few of them.
So, what is pure... language or lips?
 

graceNpeace

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You ask, I respond, you decide you do not like the response.......that is definitely a sin fin attitude.
I am sorry you are not rational...

NOTHING in my post that you quoted proves in any way your accusation that people are claiming that Jesus spoke and taught exclusively in Greek!

Why would I like it when you deliberately misrepresent me - all you doing right now is proving how dishonest and malicious you are prepared to be!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I am sorry you are not rational...

NOTHING in my post that you quoted proves in any way your accusation that people are claiming that Jesus spoke and taught exclusively in Greek!

Why would I like it when you deliberately misrepresent me - all you doing right now is proving how dishonest and malicious you are prepared to be!

I took a sneek peak. See the same old stuff is happening, so will quickly exit stage left, nothing important to see here.
 

JaumeJ

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It comes down to language n all versions, though given some license. Our Maker is going to "return" to us a pure language so all may call upon Him with One Name.

Some people today believe they know His name, but no one truly does except for theSon, Yeshuia. Yahweh is a characteristice of our Maker and it can be translated as "I am that I am" meaning He will manifest Himself in any manner pleasing Him, and tht pleases me. Another viable translation is "The Self-existing," and being so He would be all might and all capable to manifest Himself in any manner fitting His design.



So, what is pure... language or lips?
 

graceNpeace

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I took a sneek peak. See the same old stuff is happening, so will quickly exit stage left, nothing important to see here.
Yup, pretty sad isn't it...

I sometimes think that BDF would be better renamed the "Don't confuse me with facts" forum given that nonsense threads outnumber rational ones by about 50:1...
 

JaumeJ

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You did ask for a quote, I supplied it, and you do not like that you said it. Sorry, you are too fickle to dialogue. Perhaps erratic is more like it.

Seriously!

That is MY post!
And, simply reading it, how does that prove your accusation that anyone is saying that Jesus ONLY taught and spoke Greek.
I thought that you had a degree in English, but it seems as if simple comprehension is beyond you...
 

JaumeJ

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Hey! Erratica, why don't you just start a thread on bashing me? You see even when folks agree with me on someone elses posts I shy away from third party references and bashing, but I see it is not beneath your standard. At least you do not have need to rise to any occasion with that referne. Cannot hold you own it seems.

Yup, pretty sad isn't it...

I sometimes think that BDF would be better renamed the "Don't confuse me with facts" forum given that nonsense threads outnumber rational ones by about 50:1...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yup, pretty sad isn't it...

I sometimes think that BDF would be better renamed the "Don't confuse me with facts" forum given that nonsense threads outnumber rational ones by about 50:1...
I sometimes wonder if it is all a game people play, it seems to be the same people over and over who think they can come in and mistepresent what people believe, and think it is perfectly ok to do so, and if anyone tries to say something to them about what they are doing, it just turns into a war of backbiting, blameshifting and hatred which you would not think you would see in a christian setting.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You did ask for a quote, I supplied it, and you do not like that you said it. Sorry, you are too fickle to dialogue. Perhaps erratic is more like it.
What you did is just one more time rove you have no moral guidance, you lied about what someone said and refuse to confess it ebpven when it is shown to you


He did not say jesus ONLY spoke Greek, he said jesus would have known and spoken greek, as well as aramaic and other languages,

Yet you refuse to acknowledge you screwed up and misunderstood him.
 

graceNpeace

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You did ask for a quote, I supplied it, and you do not like that you said it. Sorry, you are too fickle to dialogue. Perhaps erratic is more like it.
How does that quote prove your accusation that anyone believes that Jesus taught and spoke exclusively in Greek???

This is the sentence you quoted from my post: "The point is He would have spoken Koine Greek at times too, just not when talking with other Jews..."


Please explain how this could possibly be interpreted as "Jesus spoke and ministered exclusively in Greek"?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hey! Erratica, why don't you just start a thread on bashing me? You see even when folks agree with me on someone elses posts I shy away from third party references and bashing, but I see it is not beneath your standard. At least you do not have need to rise to any occasion with that referne. Cannot hold you own it seems.
and it digresses to attack, blameshift, enabling and anger as it always does with certain people.
 

trofimus

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It comes down to language n all versions, though given some license. Our Maker is going to "return" to us a pure language so all may call upon Him with One Name.

Some people today believe they know His name, but no one truly does except for theSon, Yeshuia. Yahweh is a characteristice of our Maker and it can be translated as "I am that I am" meaning He will manifest Himself in any manner pleasing Him, and tht pleases me. Another viable translation is "The Self-existing," and being so He would be all might and all capable to manifest Himself in any manner fitting His design.
Your ideas are not based on the Bible. Whole the inspired New Testament uses Greek and Iésús for Jesus.

If its not "His name", then we have a real contradiction between your ideas and apostolic authors.