Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[7seasrekeyed]

James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

(unless you kept of the law entirely at every point, you are guilty as any other law breaker)



1 John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


(this isnt just about laws given to moses.... this applies even to ALL sin...... which means)


Romans 3:20 - 25
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


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praise God.... freely justified by His grace through faith in Jesus Christ


without the deeds of the law
^_^

but
......
what of the law then?

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romans 7


6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

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Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


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Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

honestly...I do wish the strawman constantly inserted would hijack itself out to the Burning Man thingy in the desert and throw itself into the flames

JESUS FULFILLED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS SO WE DO NO HAVE TO

but you know, He also said if you love me....seems if is still one of the biggest little words in the English language

 

[NoNameMcgee]

honestly...I do wish the strawman constantly inserted would hijack itself out to the Burning Man thingy in the desert and throw itself into the flames

JESUS FULFILLED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS SO WE DO NO HAVE TO

but you know, He also said if you love me....seems if is still one of the biggest little words in the English language

to think our obedience to the law is tied to our salvation is ridiculous

and to think Gods grace is a license to sin is equally ridiculous



God saves His children
God chastens His children
God keeps His children
God provides growth and a transformation in His children

 

[Studyman]

the commandments given by Jesus underscore and prove the validity of the commandments given by God to Moses on Mt Sinai

the love of God, which we can ONLY have through His Holy Spirit, enables us to love

and this takes time. there is no instant bucket of love or instant anything with God EXCEPT for our initial step of faith towards Him and accepting Him as our Savior, who died in our place

it would seem people do not understand that Jesus fulfilled all the commandments by offering Himself in our stead...the Bible says the blood of bulls and goats could never wash away or cleanse from sin...only a holy and OBEDIENT and willing sacrifice could do so

people needa get out their Bibles and start studying

you read about Jesus saying to love etc, but they do not understand that love is the fulfillment of the original commandments

hence, the constant objections every time somebody says obedience

well hey ~ y'all just go and disobey then if you think that is what God desires. He does not force anyone

love is never about force.

Absolutely!!!!

Great post.


We are to offer "Free Will" offerings. It is not those who reject God totally that He has His greatest problem with. It is those who "confess Him with their lips" but don't follow through, that is the problem.


Duet. 23:21 When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee.
22 But if thou shalt forbear to vow, it shall be no sin in thee.

23 That which is gone out of thy lips thou shalt keep and perform; even a freewill offering, according as thou hast vowed unto the LORD thy God, which thou hast promised with thy mouth.

and again;

"Why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and do not what I say?

People do need to stop letting preachers filter the Word of God to them. This is the New Covenant. No more Scribes and Pharisees.

Good post

 

[JaumeJ]

How dare you use the word, strawman, with any others......

James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

(unless you kept of the law entirely at every point, you are guilty as any other law breaker)



1 John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


(this isnt just about laws given to moses.... this applies even to ALL sin...... which means)


Romans 3:20 - 25
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


_______________

praise God.... freely justified by His grace through faith in Jesus Christ


without the deeds of the law
^_^

but
......
what of the law then?

_________________

romans 7


6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

_______________


Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


__________

Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus says many will come to Him on that day saying Lord, Lord, and He will reply, go away, I know you not. So it is since He ascended to the right Hand of Power, amen.

What you fail to grasp is growing up into obedience is the sign you have the free gift of the Holy Spirit in salvation. The person who says they know God but doesn't do what he says does not have the free gift of salvation. Haven't you been reading mailmandan's posts?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Jesus says many will come to Him on that day saying Lord, Lord, and He will reply, go away, I know you not. So it is since He ascended to the right Hand of Power, amen.

yup those He never know who point to their works


it is a shame....

reminds me of those in romans who seek to establish their own righteousness not submitting to His


they did not have faith in Him



sad really


we all have fallen short
but unless your iniquity is covered by His righteousness

you will depart from Him and be judged according to your own righteousness (a failing imperfect righteousness)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

to think our obedience to the law is tied to our salvation is ridiculous

and to think Gods grace is a license to sin is equally ridiculous



God saves His children
God chastens His children
God keeps His children
God provides growth and a transformation in His children

Its not only rediculous, paul says it must be anathema’d

 

[7seasrekeyed]

to think our obedience to the law is tied to our salvation is ridiculous

and to think Gods grace is a license to sin is equally ridiculous



God saves His children
God chastens His children
God keeps His children
God provides growth and a transformation in His children

do you honestly come away with that after reading my posts?

maybe I misunderstand you

I have repeatedly said that we cannot earn or keep salvation through 'acts' which would be fulfilling our own righteousness

I have said that here, I have said that there, I have said that everywhere

and to think Gods grace is a license to sin is equally ridiculous

there is that strawman again. I don't know where so much straw comes from

I know I have never said, thought or intimated any such thing

that would be like saying I don't have to obey the law because my daddy is a cop

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus says many will come to Him on that day saying Lord, Lord, and He will reply, go away, I know you not. So it is since He ascended to the right Hand of Power, amen.

And what do we know about those people

1. They did many works
2. they practiced sin. (Jesus said he never knew them, and john said they never knew god, jesus and john agree)

just goes to prove works as a means to see who is saved and who is.p not is meaningless. Even the unbeliever has works,

 

[JaumeJ]

By the tone of your post, you sound a bit guilty. Either that or this is one of your strawmen...

You and your cohorts should really stop deflecting and listen to Jesus christ, my Lord and my God..

yup those He never know who point to their works


it is a shame....

reminds me of those in romans who seek to establish their own righteousness not submitting to His


they did not have faith in Him



sad really


we all have fallen short
but unless your iniquity is covered by His righteousness

you will depart from Him and be judged according to your own righteousness (a failing imperfect righteousness)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yup those He never know who point to their works


it is a shame....

reminds me of those in romans who seek to establish their own righteousness not submitting to His


they did not have faith in Him



sad really


we all have fallen short
but unless your iniquity is covered by His righteousness

you will depart from Him and be judged according to your own righteousness (a failing imperfect righteousness)

Reminds me of pharisees

pump their chest, and praise god they are not like sinner.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

do you honestly come away with that after reading my posts?

maybe I misunderstand you

I have repeatedly said that we cannot earn or keep salvation through 'acts' which would be fulfilling our own righteousness

I have said that here, I have said that there, I have said that everywhere




there is that strawman again. I don't know where so much straw comes from

I know I have never said, thought or intimated any such thing

that would be like saying I don't have to obey the law because my daddy is a cop

He got it because your sticking up for JJ.

thats what happens when you stand up for people, and say things to others teyi g to show trhem how they are wrong.

others think you believe as they do,

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Absolutely!!!!

Great post.


We are to offer "Free Will" offerings. It is not those who reject God totally that He has His greatest problem with. It is those who "confess Him with their lips" but don't follow through, that is the problem.


Duet. 23:21 When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee.
22 But if thou shalt forbear to vow, it shall be no sin in thee.

23 That which is gone out of thy lips thou shalt keep and perform; even a freewill offering, according as thou hast vowed unto the LORD thy God, which thou hast promised with thy mouth.

and again;

"Why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and do not what I say?

People do need to stop letting preachers filter the Word of God to them. This is the New Covenant. No more Scribes and Pharisees.

Good post

thanks!

I guess we should not even introduce the concept of 'living sacrifice'

you know, I don't think I have ever seen that 'discussed' (insert a good belly laugh here) around here

[FONT=&quot]12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to [/FONT][FONT=&quot]offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.[/FONT]

 

[7seasrekeyed]

yup those He never know who point to their works


it is a shame....

reminds me of those in romans who seek to establish their own righteousness not submitting to His


they did not have faith in Him



sad really


we all have fallen short
but unless your iniquity is covered by His righteousness

you will depart from Him and be judged according to your own righteousness (a failing imperfect righteousness)

this is nothing but thinly veiled sarcasim

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By the tone of your post, you sound a bit guilty. Either that or this is one of your strawmen...

You and your cohorts should really stop deflecting and listen to Jesus christ, my Lord and my God..

Yeah t is everyones fault but yours.

smh

if you cant respond to a post, then why bother respond to it, responses like this are meaningless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

this is nothing but thinly veiled sarcasim

Yet it is truth. Maybe truth spoken sarkastically, but it is still truth

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Yeah t is everyones fault but yours.

smh

if you cant respond to a post, then why bother respond to it, responses like this are meaningless.

agreed

i come on after a couple minutes and am met with false accusation after false accusation

and a bunch of silly arguments against something i never said


"ye shall know them by their fruits" eh?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

agreed

i come on after a couple minutes and am met with false accusation after false accusation

and a bunch of silly arguments against something i never said


"ye shall know them by their fruits" eh?

especially when he was proven to be wrong, and even when his own post was posted which proves it, he still refuses to repent.

He may fool a few people, but most will see right through it

 

[NoNameMcgee]

i came here thinking the argument was


"does your salvation depend on your obedience to the law"

and responded to those i thought were arguing "yes"


if you think i made a strawman

or if i happened to

i did unknowingly

i wasnt sarcastic with my posts

and i didnt respond to you 7 with "what i got from your post" or suggest YOU SAID we are saved through our own obedience


and to J

well
i havent seen an ounce of anything from you other than being offended by truth...

anyways


the fact of the matter is


no..... we are not justified or saved or kept saved according to how well we obey His law


we are saved by grace through faith APPART FROM THE WORKS OF THE LAW


but Gods law is GOOD in that it is what dictates what we should and should not do

and all those who are not covered with His righteousness will be condemned by His law

but all those (born again believers) who are covered by His righteousness are under grace
and saved

you guys can argue all day about how fruitful you have to be to be saved


but no J

i am not guilty

i am innocent

but not according to MY righteousness

but the righteousness of Him who saved me


Jesus Christ

 

[JaumeJ]

It is quite disturbing to read people writing to or posting to each other about others in the thread instead of about theWord and the OP......

Ignoring g when Jesus Christ teaches us to obey His commandments is the epitome of strawmen activity.


I am really not worthy, but then only Jesus Christ is worthy of all blessing, power, dominion adoration and praise. Praise Jesus christ, He is worthy not any of us, amen.