Do We Have To Keep The Law?

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It is quite disturbing to read people writing to or posting to each other about others in the thread instead of about theWord and the OP......

Ignoring g when Jesus Christ teaches us to obey His commandments is the epitome of strawmen activity.


I am really not worthy, but then only Jesus Christ is worthy of all blessing, power, dominion adoration and praise. Praise Jesus christ, He is worthy not any of us, amen.


that is what goes on in the OSAS 300o thread...CONSTANTLY

it's a devilish madhouse IMO

when that same spirit is brought here or threads in general, the conversation will always turn to personal insult, accusation and flatout denial of doing that while doing that

ignore it. you can't change it. a person has to want to change themself. outward pressure will not create a diamond in this case...just fool's gold :p
 
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i came here thinking the argument was


"does your salvation depend on your obedience to the law"

and responded to those i thought were arguing "yes"


if you think i made a strawman

or if i happened to

i did unknowingly

i wasnt sarcastic with my posts

and i didnt respond to you 7 with "what i got from your post" or suggest YOU SAID we are saved through our own obedience


and to J

well
i havent seen an ounce of anything from you other than being offended by truth...

anyways


the fact of the matter is


no..... we are not justified or saved or kept saved according to how well we obey His law


we are saved by grace through faith APPART FROM THE WORKS OF THE LAW


but Gods law is GOOD in that it is what dictates what we should and should not do

and all those who are not covered with His righteousness will be condemned by His law

but all those (born again believers) who are covered by His righteousness are under grace
and saved

you guys can argue all day about how fruitful you have to be to be saved


but no J

i am not guilty

i am innocent

but not according to MY righteousness

but the righteousness of Him who saved me


Jesus Christ

romans 9

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



Romans 10
10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
 
how hard is it to understand that Jesus fulfilled God's righteous requirements and is now our High Priest?

we CANNOT keep the 10 commandments so Jesus fulfilled them

we are NOT required to keep them to be righteous

what commandments did Jesus give that FULFILL the 10 commandments?

and how do we obey Jesus' commandments?

I'll give you a hint: who lives inside us to help us with the above?

no strawman nonsense of 'nobody says we can continue sinning'

nobody said you said that

so tiresome
 
You all who are of the OSAS should fear the Word of the Lord when it is necessary.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
thanks!

I guess we should not even introduce the concept of 'living sacrifice'

you know, I don't think I have ever seen that 'discussed' (insert a good belly laugh here) around here

12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

It seems that the general consensus among many religious people is that we are free to do anything BUT what God instructs us to do.

Fascinating.
 
You all who are of the OSAS should fear the Word of the Lord when it is necessary.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 2


16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
If you do not believe the law and the prophets, you will not believe even if from One Who has come baack from the dead.

I believe Jesus Christ. I cannot deter myself from believing Him, for with Him are the words of life.

No, I will not listen ay here who speak against His teaching.
 
It seems that the general consensus among many religious people is that we are free to do anything BUT what God instructs us to do.

Fascinating.


thing is, people know, even those who do not believe, they are not to kill etc

but gossip etc is so often overlooked and it is alive and well right here at CC

I don't know what they think talking about a person to their face behind their back is

there is one person in particular who does this every thread they post in. this one is no exception
 
When any in the forums refuse to hear the words of Jesus Christ I must eventually treat them as pagans, nonbelievers.
 
It seems that the general consensus among many religious people is that we are free to do anything BUT what God instructs us to do.

Fascinating.

It seems that a few through unbelief think they are free to disregard GOD's revealed will in order to follow GOD's former economy.

Yes I do consider you among that number.
 
no strawman nonsense
It seems that the general consensus among many religious people is that we are free to do anything BUT what God instructs us to do.

Fascinating.

thing is, people know, even those who do not believe, they are not to kill etc

but gossip etc is so often overlooked and it is alive and well right here at CC

I don't know what they think talking about a person to their face behind their back is

there is one person in particular who does this every thread they post in. this one is no exception



.....riiiiiight


seems like talking to someone who will believe whatever they feel like when they feel like and speak from both sides of their mouth isnt going to be fruitful



the seed has been planted
Gal 2


16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
When any in the forums refuse to hear the words of Jesus Christ I must eventually treat them as pagans, nonbelievers.

we hear the words of Jesus. we see your words. we see you say them, then when asked about your words, you dance and dodge and accuse and whine.

so, if you are not prepared in a OPEN DISCUSSION FOURM, to answer questions about THINGS YOU POST, then maybe you should think deeply about some things.
 
Gal 2


16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

It seems there is a difference in understanding regarding the "Works of the Law" that the Jews were "Bewitching the Galatians with. You seem to imply, as does others, that this represents the First and Second greatest commandments, and all the Law and Prophets which hang on them.

I understand the "Works of the Law" Paul is speaking to as being the "Works" God gave to the Levite Priests for the atonement of sins, "Until the Seed should come.

My reasoning for this is because the Pharisees were NOT following God's Commandments as Jesus and Paul stated several times. Jesus said they "Taught for Doctrines the Commandments of man", not God. We also know they didn't believe Jesus was the "SEED that should come" so they were still adhering to their version of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.

So they believed we are cleansed, or "made righteous" by these "works of the Law" given from God to the Levites through Moses "till the Seed should come".

Isn't Paul telling them;

16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Are you preaching I don't have to "Love the Lord my God with all my heart" in order to be justified?
 
Its more disturbing when a person is in sin, and refuses to admit it, then continues to blame others. In fact, it is quite evil if i am to be blunt about it,
 
that is what goes on in the OSAS 300o thread...CONSTANTLY

it's a devilish madhouse IMO

when that same spirit is brought here or threads in general, the conversation will always turn to personal insult, accusation and flatout denial of doing that while doing that

ignore it. you can't change it. a person has to want to change themself. outward pressure will not create a diamond in this case...just fool's gold :p


There is one way to take care of it.

stand up to liars and slanderers and stop excusing their sin.

it makes you just as bad as they are.
 
You all who are of the OSAS should fear the Word of the Lord when it is necessary.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


we do fear the word of he lord, and we give him full credit for our salvation.

you do not, because you continue in sin. And deny it.
 
how hard is it to understand that Jesus fulfilled God's righteous requirements and is now our High Priest?

we CANNOT keep the 10 commandments so Jesus fulfilled them

we are NOT required to keep them to be righteous

what commandments did Jesus give that FULFILL the 10 commandments?

and how do we obey Jesus' commandments?

I'll give you a hint: who lives inside us to help us with the above?

no strawman nonsense of 'nobody says we can continue sinning'

nobody said you said that

so tiresome

now tell that to those you are defending, because everyone else sees this but hem.
 
It seems that the general consensus among many religious people is that we are free to do anything BUT what God instructs us to do.

Fascinating.


Another strawman, can you show us posts of people who say this? I would love to see them.
 
If you do not believe the law and the prophets, you will not believe even if from One Who has come baack from the dead.

I believe Jesus Christ. I cannot deter myself from believing Him, for with Him are the words of life.

No, I will not listen ay here who speak against His teaching.

We believe wall he law and prophets, we also believe jesus and all the apostles.
 
It seems there is a difference in understanding regarding the "Works of the Law" that the Jews were "Bewitching the Galatians with. You seem to imply, as does others, that this represents the First and Second greatest commandments, and all the Law and Prophets which hang on them.

I understand the "Works of the Law" Paul is speaking to as being the "Works" God gave to the Levite Priests for the atonement of sins, "Until the Seed should come.

My reasoning for this is because the Pharisees were NOT following God's Commandments as Jesus and Paul stated several times. Jesus said they "Taught for Doctrines the Commandments of man", not God. We also know they didn't believe Jesus was the "SEED that should come" so they were still adhering to their version of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.

So they believed we are cleansed, or "made righteous" by these "works of the Law" given from God to the Levites through Moses "till the Seed should come".

Isn't Paul telling them;

16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Are you preaching I don't have to "Love the Lord my God with all my heart" in order to be justified?

Romans 5
5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


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Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name

Romans 11:6 - And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work

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hebrews 10


35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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john 6


28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.



to answer your question

we are saved (and justified) by grace through faith