Grappling With Why God Allows Evil To Continue

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It's pleasant to just gab and throw out ideas without fear of being called stupid or ignorant. But I have to get to work. I'm still going to come back and work on that freewill thing when I recover from yesterdays concentrated conversation with PB about "the problem of evil." I think when someone says: It wasn't just a freewill choosing to believe God existed for me but was rather a healing of my blindness - that they are misunderstood. :)
 
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i agree we won't have pain. there will be no need for it. the resurrected body will be crazy intense. like superman lol
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I think so too. And as regards the earlier thought of some that the human body just worked the same exact way for adam as it does for me, I don't think so.

For instance, telomeres may have been in place in the body because God knew what would happen, but I don't believe they activated and began to unravel to set a limit on how long a person would live until after the fall.
 
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And I think the appendix originally had a purpose other than the scientific guess that it was in the body to filter rotten meat.

Because Gods original intent was not for us to kill animals and eat them...
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
Better examples. :)

Believe me when I tell you, young man, you don't fully understand that pain will be chronic - every minute of the day - in about 20 more years! :D:p:mad:

But you have it to look forward to! Are you excited? :D
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Pain being chronic is, of course, not its purpose, its because body does not work in the way it is supposed to work.

Every good thing can turn to be bad, if its not working properly.
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
Because Gods original intent was not for us to kill animals and eat them...
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God knew we will kill animals and eat them.

Why would he not prepare us for that?

The same with carnivors between animals.
 
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trofimus said:
Pain being chronic is, of course, not its purpose, its because body does not work in the way it is supposed to work.

Every good thing can turn to be bad, if its not working properly.
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Right. The body wears out. I think it wasn't that way until after the fall.

I understand the purpose of pain receptors as regards keeping us from harm (like with fire). I just don't think they were necessary until after the fall. Just my speculation, but I don't think Adam stepped on any thorns and bled in the garden of eden. I don't think anything there, in his unfallen state, could harm him.
 
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trofimus said:
God knew we will kill animals and eat them.

Why would he not prepare us for that?

The same with carnivors between animals.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying, but I suspect the original purpose of the appendix was something different than what science muses it may have been for.
 
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This sounds like he was immortal before he was allowed to eat from the tree of life.
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More like...in a suspended state where nothing could, or would want, to harm him physically.

And more of a not having aged yet.
 
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More like...in a suspended state where nothing could, or would want, to harm him physically.

And more of a not having aged yet.
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So if he would fall asleep under water, he would breathe?

Or if he would fall into grand canyon he would be unharmed?

If he would not drink or eat, he would live?
 
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So if he would fall asleep under water, he would breathe?

Or if he would fall into grand canyon he would be unharmed?

If he would not drink or eat, he would live?
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Haha! How many people die by falling asleep under water every year? If you fell asleep under water, your muscles would relax and you would automatically bob to the surface and breathe while you slept.

I don't think the grand canyon was in the garden...I could be mistaken though. :) I don't think there was a place there where they would have been in any inadvertent danger of splitting their skulls open...

Who would not eat or drink? God made it too pleasant and pleasurable of a thing!
 
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Actually just had a picture of God telling Adam to eat a lemon, and then laughing at his facial expression the way we love to do with babies...:D
 
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Got me wondering if maybe lemons weren't so sour before, like maybe they were the perfect blend of tart and sweet and even that was changed after the fall.

It strikes me that if there are any writers in here, they would love the musing and wondering and "think tank" direction this thread has gone and would want to participate. This is sort of how collaboration on a show goes when there is more than one writer...:)
 
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Haha! How many people die by falling asleep under water every year? If you fell asleep under water, your muscles would relax and you would automatically bob to the surface and breathe while you slept.

I don't think the grand canyon was in the garden...I could be mistaken though. :) I don't think there was a place there where they would have been in any inadvertent danger of splitting their skulls open...

Who would not eat or drink? God made it too pleasant and pleasurable of a thing!
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I think that you imagine the body of Adam to be of same qualities as body of Christ after resurrection.

I think his body was ordinary as ours and he would be transformed to the similar body as Christ has after he would eat from the tree of life.

Until that, he was aging and prone to harm and death as we all are.

The idea/teaching of some high state of Adam before fall is not to be found in Scripture, IMHO.
 
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OH! And concerning the drowning thing...maybe tonsils, which also seem to have no real purpose and are mostly removed at some point, had a slit to the outside of adams throat and actually helped him to breathe under water. HAHA!
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
OH! And concerning the drowning thing...maybe tonsils, which also seem to have no real purpose and are mostly removed at some point, had a slit to the outside of adams throat and actually helped him to breathe under water. HAHA!
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I think you would be a good author of sci-fi :)
 
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trofimus said:
I think that you imagine the body of Adam to be of same qualities as body of Christ after resurrection.

I think his body was ordinary as ours and he would be transformed to the similar body as Christ has after he would eat from the tree of life.

Until that, he was aging and prone to harm and death as we all are.
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uh...thinking here...he was told this about death: on the day you eat of it, you will die. You think he would have died even without eating it? He was neither harmed nor helped by eating it then - he was going to die whether he did or didn't eat it?

There's a difference in the thought that someone is completely covered/protected by God versus the thought that they were created eternal no matter what they did, like satan...
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
uh...thinking here...he was told this about death: on the day you eat of it, you will die. You think he would have died even without eating it? He was neither harmed nor helped by eating it then - he was going to die whether he did or didn't eat it?

There's a difference in the thought that someone is completely covered/protected by God versus the thought that they were created eternal no matter what they did, like satan...
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I think that after the temptation he would be given the fruit of the tree of life and he would live forever.

In the day he ate from the tree of knowledge he died in the meaning of loosing the access to eternal life and transformation.

And because of him, natural death met also all his children.

But he was naturaly only a physical seed, not an angel or immortal being.
 
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I agree he was not like an angel or immortal (yet).

But the point I was trying to make is that, though a physical seed, nevertheless, a physical seed superior to THIS (myself) physical seed. The very fact that his body lived for hundreds and hundreds of years more than mine suggests his body had far greater strength and properties than my own!

And the fact that God created him versus him fallen brought me forth, suggests some differences probably existed.
 
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