Does God Sever Fellowship With Us When We Sin?
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dude either you believe in eternal security or not. You have OSAS phobia, you are scared of OSAS so scared you see it in everything eveyone says, Who said anything about osas? Get over yourself!
Forgive me if i believe in the promise of eternal life, if you dont. Thats on you. And quite frankly i then feel sorry for you.
You want to enjoy gods blessings, i told you how, lov and serve o5ers, and stop thinking about self. Your to focused on self to even begin to experience gods true blessings.
Forgive me if i believe in the promise of eternal life, if you dont. Thats on you. And quite frankly i then feel sorry for you.
You want to enjoy gods blessings, i told you how, lov and serve o5ers, and stop thinking about self. Your to focused on self to even begin to experience gods true blessings.
R
You are aware that 'by faith' means 'believing/trusting', don't you?
But don't talk about it here. That's not the topic of this thread. Talk about it in your Not By Works thread.
You seem to have to make sure no one thinks I set you straight. Pride really got the better of you on that one.
"you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?"-1 Corinthians 3:3
Time to leave me alone and stop harassing me. Can you do that? Show us you can.
But don't talk about it here. That's not the topic of this thread. Talk about it in your Not By Works thread.
You seem to have to make sure no one thinks I set you straight. Pride really got the better of you on that one.
"you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?"-1 Corinthians 3:3
Time to leave me alone and stop harassing me. Can you do that? Show us you can.
R
'Carnal' is a good term to use.
But believers don't have an 'old man' anymore. We have an old self, our old ways of doing things in our bodies that we are growing out of, but the old man, the old way of thinking in our innermost part, our old mindset, is dead and gone. Now we have the mind of Christ. This also is explained in Romans 8.
The flesh is rendered powerless because the old mindset of sin is gone in us by virtue of the presence of the Holy Spirit. That doesn't mean we don't sin. It means our deepest desire in our innermost part is to not sin, whereas before we were born again our deepest desire in our innermost part was to sin.
But believers don't have an 'old man' anymore. We have an old self, our old ways of doing things in our bodies that we are growing out of, but the old man, the old way of thinking in our innermost part, our old mindset, is dead and gone. Now we have the mind of Christ. This also is explained in Romans 8.
The flesh is rendered powerless because the old mindset of sin is gone in us by virtue of the presence of the Holy Spirit. That doesn't mean we don't sin. It means our deepest desire in our innermost part is to not sin, whereas before we were born again our deepest desire in our innermost part was to sin.
R
We all do. But Paul exhorts us to rely in faith on the truth that we are transformed in Christ in our innermost man and so we are no longer in the bondage to the flesh in the old mindset of sin.
"it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God"-Galatians 2:20
Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts"-Romans 6:11-12
"it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God"-Galatians 2:20
Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts"-Romans 6:11-12
R
We are to put off the flesh. The mind set on the flesh is already gone. The desires of the flesh are what remains and what we struggle against.
Don't confuse your conscious mind and what it thinks and desires with your new mind set--the mind of Christ--deep in your innermost man.
The best way to understand it is when you were 'in the flesh' righteousness got in your way of sinning. Now that you are born again sinning gets in the way of your righteousness.
Don't confuse your conscious mind and what it thinks and desires with your new mind set--the mind of Christ--deep in your innermost man.
The best way to understand it is when you were 'in the flesh' righteousness got in your way of sinning. Now that you are born again sinning gets in the way of your righteousness.
For your information, grace is mentioned 170 times while faith is used 247 times.
That's not to say grace isn't important.
The real reason faith is mentioned so much is because we need to be consistently reminded of our side of the New Covenant.
Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
[HR][/HR]Luke 7:50 (KJV)
[SUP]50 [/SUP] And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
[HR][/HR]Luke 8:48 (KJV)
[SUP]48 [/SUP] And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
[HR][/HR]Luke 17:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
[HR][/HR]Acts 6:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.
[HR][/HR]Romans 1:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
[HR][/HR]Romans 1:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
[HR][/HR]Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[HR][/HR]Romans 5:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
[HR][/HR]Romans 5:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
[HR][/HR]Romans 14:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
[HR][/HR]1 Corinthians 16:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
[HR][/HR]2 Corinthians 1:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.
[HR][/HR]Galatians 3:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
[HR][/HR]Galatians 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
[HR][/HR]Galatians 3:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[HR][/HR]Ephesians 6:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
[HR][/HR]1 Thessalonians 1:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 1:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 5:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 6:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12[/SUP] Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
[HR][/HR]2 Timothy 4:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
So, do we now 'flick' our faith like a booger? Sounds disrepectful to me.
That's not to say grace isn't important.
The real reason faith is mentioned so much is because we need to be consistently reminded of our side of the New Covenant.
Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
[HR][/HR]Luke 7:50 (KJV)
[SUP]50 [/SUP] And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
[HR][/HR]Luke 8:48 (KJV)
[SUP]48 [/SUP] And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
[HR][/HR]Luke 17:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
[HR][/HR]Acts 6:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.
[HR][/HR]Romans 1:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
[HR][/HR]Romans 1:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
[HR][/HR]Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[HR][/HR]Romans 5:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
[HR][/HR]Romans 5:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
[HR][/HR]Romans 14:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
[HR][/HR]1 Corinthians 16:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
[HR][/HR]2 Corinthians 1:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.
[HR][/HR]Galatians 3:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
[HR][/HR]Galatians 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
[HR][/HR]Galatians 3:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[HR][/HR]Ephesians 6:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
[HR][/HR]1 Thessalonians 1:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 1:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 5:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 6:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12[/SUP] Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
[HR][/HR]2 Timothy 4:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
So, do we now 'flick' our faith like a booger? Sounds disrepectful to me.
Could you not read the scriptures in the post? The outcomes, of not bearing fruit, are listed. You find yourself doing those things, you are in deep trouble.
Oh, I believe in osas: but it does not give us a license to sin. If you are doing any of the things listed, you are no longer walking after the spirit. Somewhere down the line you turned away; God didn't drop you.
Oh, I am indeed dead to this world. If dead, then not subject to the things I used to do. I want to constantly please God; but I find a fleshly, sinful nature still present. That is why we have to daily take up our cross deny ourselves and follow Jesus' example.
Oh, I believe in osas: but it does not give us a license to sin. If you are doing any of the things listed, you are no longer walking after the spirit. Somewhere down the line you turned away; God didn't drop you.
Oh, I am indeed dead to this world. If dead, then not subject to the things I used to do. I want to constantly please God; but I find a fleshly, sinful nature still present. That is why we have to daily take up our cross deny ourselves and follow Jesus' example.
R
Your flesh is still present. The old mindset of sin, the very nature of what you used to be is what is gone, the new mindset of the Spirit is here (Romans 8:5). That's what Paul is talking about when he says...
"the new creation has come:[SUP]a[/SUP] The old has gone, the new is here!"-2 Corinthians 5:17
Simple observation shows us that he isn't talking about the flesh that sins being gone. He's talking about what he says in Romans 8 is gone--the mind set on sin. We now have a mind set on the Spirit. Not to be confused with the conscious, thinking mind. That is part of the flesh and has to be renewed along with the flesh.
"the new creation has come:[SUP]a[/SUP] The old has gone, the new is here!"-2 Corinthians 5:17
Simple observation shows us that he isn't talking about the flesh that sins being gone. He's talking about what he says in Romans 8 is gone--the mind set on sin. We now have a mind set on the Spirit. Not to be confused with the conscious, thinking mind. That is part of the flesh and has to be renewed along with the flesh.
R
He's talking about your flesh, the way you used to act out.
But the old man you used to be deep inside in your innermost part that determined who and what you are by nature is gone, kaput, dead. He got replaced by a new nature, the nature of Christ himself. All by virtue of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
But the old man you used to be deep inside in your innermost part that determined who and what you are by nature is gone, kaput, dead. He got replaced by a new nature, the nature of Christ himself. All by virtue of the indwelling Holy Spirit.