Does God Sever Fellowship With Us When We Sin?
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The point is whether we are forgiven or not, if we find ourselves continually committing the same sins over and over we must examine why. The instructions on how to handle this is in the word which we must apply in faith.
Php. 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
God doesn't give us on us, but if we find ourselves sinning habitually we need to call on Him for help. If Christ was the one that started the work in us, we need to hold Him to His promise to finish that work.
Heb. 12:2 "looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."
Php. 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
God doesn't give us on us, but if we find ourselves sinning habitually we need to call on Him for help. If Christ was the one that started the work in us, we need to hold Him to His promise to finish that work.
Heb. 12:2 "looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."
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No they do not, please stop with your lies ralph, hw can you sit here and claim you follow God, and preach to ther people to stop sin when almost every word out of your mouth when accusing someone you disagre with is a lie?
No ne goes around saying they can sin, because i am given grace anyway, there is one person who is no longer here (grace777) he denied this, in fact he taught against it, the other three or 4 who claim to follow this so calld hypergrace teaching also deny it, and preqch against it, so you are lying 5epugh your teach because you have been indoctrinated to a fact these people believe something which is not true, and your to proud to repent.
You ecxcuse your sin just as much as they do. Maybe even more, as all legalist do.
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All the so called research yourself ISIT, PeterJens, and the few others have posted were taken from antihypergrace websites, and have been utterly destroyed as false teuths so many tims by so many people in here, thats what undergrace is sick of, the slander against a group of brothers and aisters which is based on half truths or false truths,
when are you going to humble yourself and get your understanding from actual people who follow the doctrines and not their enemies?
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I do not know what happened to grace777,he probably let them people get to him, a few got banned because they would react to the evil that was thrown their way. On purpose from what i heard, in order to try to get people banned.
As for peter jens, he was one of them, i could not take his slanderous ways and his bullying people and getting angry when people would try to hold him accountable (other than this, i agree, he could have added alot) his anger finally got him also.
If people would just be honest, how much greater this place could be,
I miss PJ as well.
He and I talk occasionally.
If I'm honest I did generally understand where we was coming from.
Talking with him off topic and on this forum I genuinely believe he has a real love to see people healed of pain and hurt of the past to see then set free to walk as Jesus want us to walk.
I got from him that you can't fully walk the present if God has not healed the past.
I would say that he was not a sinless walk guy at all.
I miss G777 as well and a few others.
Those willing to discuss.
Yet I know that I can and have fallen foul of the things they did.
To be honest I'm surprised on a couple off occasion that I have not been banned.
He and I talk occasionally.
If I'm honest I did generally understand where we was coming from.
Talking with him off topic and on this forum I genuinely believe he has a real love to see people healed of pain and hurt of the past to see then set free to walk as Jesus want us to walk.
I got from him that you can't fully walk the present if God has not healed the past.
I would say that he was not a sinless walk guy at all.
I miss G777 as well and a few others.
Those willing to discuss.
Yet I know that I can and have fallen foul of the things they did.
To be honest I'm surprised on a couple off occasion that I have not been banned.
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peter reminded me of my father and myself before i was freed, i think thats why he scared me so much, like him i was never open, and would always blame shift if i was caght in something, i would never take tesponsibility for anything, i think it grew out of the heart of legalism which had me in chains, i couod not admit i was wrong, i would have to admit i was guilty and would suffer gods wrath.
at the same time, he did have alot of good to offer, then some stuff i will be honest, i could not figure out what he was trying to say lol
i think we all have done banable stuff, i also agree there
at the same time, he did have alot of good to offer, then some stuff i will be honest, i could not figure out what he was trying to say lol
i think we all have done banable stuff, i also agree there
Your deceptive, out of context drivel has gotten as old as your friends who are no longer with us....and have you yet proven your stance against budman........nope....but you have proven that you like to embellish what people say and twist it into something that is not said while failing to answer any question that proves your dogm is false......
Try this one....
Concerning a believer and sin
What is the practical application of chastisment in a believer.?
Is it for faithful service?
Is it because of willful sin?
At what point in the process did they lose salvation if GOD ONLY WHIPS CHILDREN?
Try this one....
Concerning a believer and sin
What is the practical application of chastisment in a believer.?
Is it for faithful service?
Is it because of willful sin?
At what point in the process did they lose salvation if GOD ONLY WHIPS CHILDREN?
This is the issues with the human mind and why we so much need to renew it. Once a person is saved the have been forgiven of all sins. The New life now they live is to be in Christ. Yet the Flesh is not saved. The flesh will desire what the flesh desires, it is always at war with the Spirit and the Will of God.
This is the issues with the human mind and why we so much need to renew it. Rom 12:12, Eph 4:23.
Once a person is saved they have been forgiven of all sins. The New life now they live; is to be in Christ Rom 3:24. Yet the Flesh is not saved 7:18. The flesh will desire what the flesh desires; it is always at war with the Spirit and the Will of God
Gal 5:17.
Nevertheless, God has given grace and great patience and us. We are in the sanctification process, being made continually into His image. 1thess 5:23, Heb 2:11 God is able to separate the transgression because of the blood that has been applied to us for our sin.
Now we are to Grow in the or That “Grace” which we have received and the knowledge or the understanding of Christ to where we are no longer thinking and acting according to the flesh, as the Holy Spirit helps us to live holy. In that process you very well may sin, but we are told to renew our mind, to not want to desire the thing of the flesh which lead to = sin. This is were we are to resist the flesh, temptation, and the devil.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. Are you really fighting not to sin?
WE know what we are doing is sin, because you know you are not to do whatever the Holy Spirit has corrected you on.
Gal 5:16-25 the contrast of the Spirit and the flesh you know, if you do not know then your relationship with Christ has to be questioned BY YOU.
2cor 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
“to him( the saved person) that knows( come to the saving knowledge)
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.
I think the main issue with PJ was what he considered hypergrace was and thought many here were promoting it.
Off topic he accused me of that.
He asked me a couple of times as to how he could build a ministry in his church where men could meet together.
To be honest, open up and build each other up to walk and be like Jesus.
He accepted that hurts and indoctrination of the past affect where we are now.
I like you agree that he had a good lot to offer and at times I liked his posts.
But also at times "Oh PJ if only you stopped before that last sentence"
I may get slammed for this but I do consider him a brother in Jesus.
He like many of us when we are slammed by others get defensive and put barriers up and respond accordingly.
I think culture adds to it.
Us Brits are weird, we apologize to those changes that have offended us.
Also when people come from a hurting place any perceived negative words are negative so we take it personally even if it's not.
I will mention my friend Dcon here.
I have never heard him say that he destests the person but their doctrine.
I have says to him the past that I don't agree with the way he says it at times, and maybe he should think about the way he says things to the people he is responding to, get the know the person.
In fact I've fallen foul of him, and given back.
Now I know Mr DC has thought about it, not because of what I said.
In fact he apologized way back for calling people cake takers, felt God say that's not right.
So to some his purpose is to bring down, when in fact it's not.
He does not hate the person but the doctrine and just wants to see people set free.
I have been accused of the opposite.
Being namby pampy.
Both ways work, its just getting to know the person you are taking to and his they will respond.
I will walk with DC all the way, I'd even tell him "Woa you could have said it differently, and accept him saying stop being a namby Pandy"
We are all here to build each other up.
Before we do let's get to know the person first.
Off topic he accused me of that.
He asked me a couple of times as to how he could build a ministry in his church where men could meet together.
To be honest, open up and build each other up to walk and be like Jesus.
He accepted that hurts and indoctrination of the past affect where we are now.
I like you agree that he had a good lot to offer and at times I liked his posts.
But also at times "Oh PJ if only you stopped before that last sentence"
I may get slammed for this but I do consider him a brother in Jesus.
He like many of us when we are slammed by others get defensive and put barriers up and respond accordingly.
I think culture adds to it.
Us Brits are weird, we apologize to those changes that have offended us.
Also when people come from a hurting place any perceived negative words are negative so we take it personally even if it's not.
I will mention my friend Dcon here.
I have never heard him say that he destests the person but their doctrine.
I have says to him the past that I don't agree with the way he says it at times, and maybe he should think about the way he says things to the people he is responding to, get the know the person.
In fact I've fallen foul of him, and given back.
Now I know Mr DC has thought about it, not because of what I said.
In fact he apologized way back for calling people cake takers, felt God say that's not right.
So to some his purpose is to bring down, when in fact it's not.
He does not hate the person but the doctrine and just wants to see people set free.
I have been accused of the opposite.
Being namby pampy.
Both ways work, its just getting to know the person you are taking to and his they will respond.
I will walk with DC all the way, I'd even tell him "Woa you could have said it differently, and accept him saying stop being a namby Pandy"
We are all here to build each other up.
Before we do let's get to know the person first.
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PJ and me started on the wrong foot, he made a post telling all the things that grace believers believed that were wrong, i point by point showed him three or more points he had misunderstood, that no one who believed in grace theology and eternal security would believe thise things, instead of trying to discuss this to try to xplain his understanding, he went off on me, attacked me and tried his blame shifting nonsense he would tend to do when people tried to show him things,
it did not get any better, if anything it got worse. Then a group of people started going off on this so called hypergrace gospel (which i never heard of) and he joined in, he started as you said placing all of us under this so called theology. It got to the point anything i said was evil, because i refused to allow him or anyone else to slander other people.
I agree with DC, i hate no people, but their doctrine, that i dispise,
again, i had a heart for PJ because he reminded me so much of myself, and i wanted him to find the freedom i found, i pray still he finds it. He teied to come back under another nick but was finally found out and had to leave again. Will always pray for them, i feel everyone has hope, saul the pharisee proved that.