Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

[beta]

The bible says in latter days some will follow deceiving spirits and abandon THE Faith. They didn't abandon faith (belief in God) they abandoned the belief in the doctrine of God- which is the new testament. Sure, they may have mixed truth (scripture) in with their lies, otherwise the contrast would show, and it would not be deceiving. But many did follow these deceptions, and many branch-off churches were created from the true church that Christ established.

So what were some of the things the bible tells that they were deceived about? It says that they were commanded by these deceiving spirits to abstain from certain foods that God wanted them to receive with thanksgiving. (Catholic Lent). They also ordered some people not to marry (Catholic preists and nuns). Aside from these, Jesus says call no man Father (in a religious sense), and that these men love to wear their tassels long and have the most important seats at public events. I've seen the Pope be worshiped with my own eyes, and him gladly accepting it. "He sits on the throne of a church and calls himself God."

"If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit (hell). Do not follow the Catholic church!

I would say the the influence of RCC is much more widespread and deeper than most people believe/realise....it has permeated Christianity leading it astray to follow a false christ ! the jesus they follow comes from ROME pretending to be the REAL ONE !
He fails to accomplish what is right, good and approved of God the Father by division and confusion SOOOO obvious to all who can see...now more tha ever. If you think people are united in christianity THINK AGAIN ! it grieves my heart to see all the sniping and accusing going on page after page nobody giving way. We are all guilty to some extent because we are in a fight...but it should be with the devil NOT each other !

 

[Jackson123]

Why should we care when Jesus rose from the dead ?
This is a very relevant question Jackson and deserves careful consideration because it 'borders on the spiritual which can only be understood by Spirit.
Most of us believe and understand that Jesus died and rose again on a sunday because the earliest church which happened to be RC tells us this....NOT because we get it from scripture. We trust that the Roman Catholic church did ! But did they ?
On close examination of scripture (too long to get into here) but has been recently discussed in another thread it is found that Jesus did NOT rise on a sunday but at Sabbath sunset.
So why does it matter which day He rose ? because it makes Him to be either True or False in view that many false christs were predicted Mat 24. Had JESUS NOT warned us of this problem then we would not have to worry about other false christs and just focus on Himself....in which case the exact time or day of His resurrection would not matter.
BUT since there are many false christ arising Mat 24, HOW can we know for sure which one is genuine/true ? Only from scripture 1Cor 15v3,4....and not from men or any human-led church.

Is it important to follow the right Jesus ? or can it just be one of the many false ones ? OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THE RIGHT ONE !!!

I hope this is not too complicated for you and I am willing to go into more detail step by step to help you and others see Truth which can and will save you !

I am not consider RC AS Christian, because they not teach a Gospel that I believe, Example, pray to Mary, believe Moslem and RC share the same God, believe scapula almost a savior, etc.

but If one misunderstoot when He Rose from the dead, AS long AS love Jesus, It is not a big deal to me.

 

[JaumeJ]

The true church is the Body Members of Christ with Him as the head...........We asre living stones of the church, and He the Head and the Cornerstone.

He has been taken away, while we, the living stones of the Temple are somewhat scattered as He promised it would be.

Praise God, when He returns He will rebuild th true Temple with the twelve Apostles as layers of the foundation, the gates named for the tribes of Israel(the eternal) and the walls made up of the saints.

Praise God, He is worthy,not we.

 

[beta]

I am not consider RC AS Christian, because they not teach a Gospel that I believe, Example, pray to Mary, believe Moslem and RC share the same God, believe scapula almost a savior, etc.

but If one misunderstoot when He Rose from the dead, AS long AS love Jesus, It is not a big deal to me.

You are entitled to your opinion. But scripture tells there are MANY christs Mat 24....so HOW do you know you love and recognise the REAL one ? they all look alike, can you point to the one who is true ?
whether you like RCC or not does not matter...they teach 'sunday resurrected jesus, so if you also believe the same then you agree with RCC.

 

[thespiritoftruth]

A playlist for those who want to know more about Catholicism.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLEXTNpK_ZVq6ECxrev_yWgUuA8CKy6Bn

 

[Brian_Graham]

It is more than a matter of semantics. Had the RCC (and the EOC) been content to let well enough alone, they would have simply continued with the Bible doctrine that Mary was the mother of Jesus. However the RCC has made Mary into a goddess and worships her.

It is precisely a matter of semantics. You have been assigning meaning to words based solely on what you perceive as their meaning using only your preconceived notions and inherent biases. You gave no consideration to their context. Nor did you conduct any research about what the Catholic Church teaches. For example, if you are going to make a statement about what the Catholic Church teaches, it would be prudent to go to the source. The only sources for that information would be the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Papal encyclicals and bulls, and/or papers written by the Various Vatican Councils. The writings of prominent theologians, such as Thomas Aquinas, Francis of Assisi, or Augustine of Hippo, can also be useful. However, some people are content merely to rest on their laurels and accept what they have been told as fact rather than expending any effort and employing critical thinking to determine the facts through research.

The Catholic Church has not made Mary into a goddess, nor do Catholics worship her. It teaches that Latria is the form of worship due only to God. Dulia and Hyperdulia is a form of respect and honour given to the saints and Mary (respectively). The Catholic Church is very clear about that: Catholics do not worship Mary. Through prayer, they ask her to intercede before God on their behalf. The sign of this is that they do not make sacrifice to her. You will not find any Catholic priest offering the sacrifice of the mass to Mary -- the sacrifice of the Catholic mass is offered only to God, the Almighty Father.

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, {Mary called Queen, but never in Scripture}

God is King of Heaven. He chose Mary to give birth to His only begotten Son, Jesus. Historically, the woman chosen by a king to give birth to his acknowledged son is the queen, according to royal hierarchy. And the Queen is always subordinate to the King.

Our life, our sweetness and our hope. {Christ is our life and hope, but Mary has been substituted for Him}

To thee do we cry, {The Bible tells us to only cry to God}
Poor banished children of Eve; {The Bible does not call humans as “banished”}
To thee do we send up our sighs, {The Bible tells us to send our sighs to God}
Mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.
Turn then, most gracious advocate, {Christ is our divine Advocate, NOT Mary}

In the Catholic church, Mary is an intervenor in the salvific redemption by her son Jesus Christ, and that he bestows graces to us through her because of that intercession. Pope John Paul II used the title "Mediatrix" several times, and in his encyclical Redemptoris Mater, he wrote: "The maternal role of Mary towards people in no way obscures or diminishes the unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power: it is mediation in Christ. ... Mary's mediation is intimately linked with her motherhood. ... Through this fullness of grace and supernatural life she was especially predisposed to cooperation with Christ, the one Mediator of human salvation. And such cooperation is precisely this mediation subordinated to the mediation of Christ." This is not blasphemy since the status of Mary as intervenor is clearly subordinate to both Jesus and the Father -- not a joint- or co-anything, nor a substitute for God or Jesus.

The role of Mary as an intervenor is similar to a client seeking out a lawyer to advocate on their behalf before a judge (God).

Adam ands Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden -- Genesis 3:23-24 --.

[SUP]23[/SUP]therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. [SUP]24[/SUP]So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

As their descendants, we, too, are sent [banished] from the garden. We are freed from the original sin of Adam and Eve, and redeemed in God's sight only when we accept Jesus Christ as our Saviour.

Thine eyes of mercy toward us; [Only God can have mercy on anyone, NOT Mary]

Read the phrase as Mary having merciful eyes, caring eyes, loving eyes, empathetic eyes. That indicates an emotion -- how she feels toward God's people, not that she can give that mercy. Only God can give us that mercy if and when he deems us worthy of receiving it.

Show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. {Christ shows Himself to His saints, but not through Mary}

That phrase asks Mary, as the mother of Jesus, to help us through the love only a mother can have for her Son, to find Him and know Him and worship Him as our Saviour.

V. Pray for us, O holy Mother of God, {Christ prays for us as our Mediator, NOT Mary}
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ. {God makes us worthy of the promises of Christ, NOT Mary}

We often ask others to pray for us. And during times of tragedy and natural disasters, we often send our thoughts and prayers in the hope that God will provide solace to those suffering from their losses. It is exactly the same as when Catholics ask Mary to pray to God for them.

You are absolutely correct that God determines whether we are worthy of the promise of Christ, but nothing in that phrase intimates, implies or states that state of worthiness is received from Mary.

Those two lines clearly ask Mary to pray to God on their behalf so they can be made worthy to receive the promises of Christ.

 

[thespiritoftruth]

A playlist for those who want to know more about Catholicism.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLEXTNpK_ZVq6ECxrev_yWgUuA8CKy6Bn

 

[Jackson123]

You are entitled to your opinion. But scripture tells there are MANY christs Mat 24....so HOW do you know you love and recognise the REAL one ? they all look alike, can you point to the one who is true ?
whether you like RCC or not does not matter...they teach 'sunday resurrected jesus, so if you also believe the same then you agree with RCC.

I never think or make intensive investigation what day Jesus resurect, but in Matt 25, ON the final judgement, Jesus Will seperate sheep and goats, and sheep is identified by love. One may think Jesus resurect oN sunday, other may think oN saturday, but seem to me oN the last judgement, Jesus not put that into consideration.

seem to me Jesus focus oN whether you love the needy or not.

 

[lightbearer]

It is precisely a matter of semantics. You have been assigning meaning to words based solely on what you perceive as their meaning using only your preconceived notions and inherent biases......

No Scripture through the Spirit. Christ is our Intermediate. It is He that intercedes for us, not Mary or any of the so called saints.

GOD judges and makes Saints not man. He sees all and knows all. HIS judgement is true our's is not. We can not judge ourselves how are we to judge another who we know less? We might see what they are doing in our presence; in the light of day. But what happens in the night? No man knows but the man, and HE that knows all; God.

As if our judgement is true to put people in heaven why we are yet in the flesh.....

 

[beta]

I never think or make intensive investigation what day Jesus resurect, but in Matt 25, ON the final judgement, Jesus Will seperate sheep and goats, and sheep is identified by love. One may think Jesus resurect oN sunday, other may think oN saturday, but seem to me oN the last judgement, Jesus not put that into consideration.

seem to me Jesus focus oN whether you love the needy or not.

It seems you are not interested on which day the true Jesus resurrected even though HE HIMSELF made the prediction. You are happy to go along with RCC and their false christ they foisted on to christianity....hence you don't know the true Jesus who will sit in Judgement and reject all who did not follow HIM Mat 7v21-23....for He 'never knew them'. TALKING about loving him, sheep and needy is meaningless if not backed up with your way of life. Not all who call Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom.

But you will not hear....so be it !

 

[Skylar]

"The Catholic Church is very clear about that: Catholics do not worship Mary. Through prayer, they ask her to intercede before God on their behalf."



NB: If Catholics pray to Mary they are sinning by doing so because this is talking to the dead which the Bible clearly says we should not do. Mary was a human being.

 

[mailmandan]

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Question: I was taught that the rosary is scriptural because all 15 mysteries tell about the life of Christ. The "hail Mary" (the first part anyway) is taken directly from the Bible. Your thoughts?

Answer: Consider first of all, the form of the rosary. It is 10 repetitions of the 'Hail Mary' for five times. What did our Lord say about repetitious prayer? "When you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words" (Matthew 6:6,7). Prayer is the spontaneous expression of the heart before God - of praise and thanksgiving, confession and petition. Repeating the same prayer over and over again tends to dull the mind. Such repetitions are vain and pagan.

Secondly, and more importantly, note that Jesus told us to address our prayer to God. "Pray to your Father." There is no example or permission in the whole Bible of Christians praying to anyone except God. And for a good reason. God is able to hear our prayers from heaven (there must be thousands of people praying at this very moment), because He knows all things. "whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone...then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and act, and give to everyone according to all his ways, whose heart You know - for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men" (1 Kings 8:38,39). God knows our heart and He hears our prayer. But Mary is not God. She is a finite human being. She does not know the hearts of all people. God alone knows them. "For You ALONE know the hearts of all the sons of men."

Thirdly, when Catholics pray to Mary: "Pray for us sinners, now and in the hour of our death," they are placing their trust for salvation in the hands of a creature, rather in the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Mary herself did not do so because she acknowledged God as her Savior (Luke 1:47). The Catholic Catechism explains the significance of the 'Hail Mary': 'Our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender the hour of our death wholly to her care' (paragraph 2677). Please find Act 7:59 in your Bible and read about a Christian at the very moment before his death. To whose care did he commit his spirit before he died? And then ask yourself, to whom am I surrendering the hour of my death - to Mary (a saved creature) or to the Lord Jesus (our God and Savior)?

The Rosary

 

[Jackson123]

"The Catholic Church is very clear about that: Catholics do not worship Mary. Through prayer, they ask her to intercede before God on their behalf."



NB: If Catholics pray to Mary they are sinning by doing so because this is talking to the dead which the Bible clearly says we should not do. Mary was a human being.

indonesian catholic pray to Mary, not only ask Mary pray for them.

this is the text, in Indonesian, some sentence ask Mary to pray, some pray to.

example second paragraph, say:

loving mother, we submit our family to you protect my family. make us to be your worthy child and love each other.

This is pray to, not ask to pray

asking for pray: Mary please pray for me
pray to: loving mother Mary, please protect me. Make petition directly to physically dead Mary and believe Mary like God can hear millions catholic in all the world. Mary must be omnipresent like God, in other word worship human AS a God. This is evil doctrine.

Ya Bunda, kami, para putramu, sangat mencintai engkau dan ingin mengikuti teladanmu. Mohonkanlah kami rahmat Allah, agar kami selalu berusaha melakukan kehendak


Bunda yang penuh kasih sayang, kami serahkan kepadamu segenap keluarga kami. Sudilah engaku selalu melindungi kami sekeluarga. Semoga kami semua menjadi anak-anak yang patut keoadamu dan saling mengasihi dengan tulus hati. Kami serahkan kepadamu segenap warga masyarakat kami bersama para pemimpinnya. Sudilah engkau melindungi mereka dalam setiap usaha membangun bangsa dan negara. Ya Ratu pencinta dami, batulah agar segala bangsa bersatu padu, hidup rukun dan damai. Bukalah jalan iman bagi mereka yang belum mengenal putramu, Yesus. Doakanlah mereka yang dianiaya karena imandan kebenaran. Semoga mereka tabah, dan tetap setia kepada Yesus, putramu.

 

[Jackson123]

It seems you are not interested on which day the true Jesus resurrected even though HE HIMSELF made the prediction. You are happy to go along with RCC and their false christ they foisted on to christianity....hence you don't know the true Jesus who will sit in Judgement and reject all who did not follow HIM Mat 7v21-23....for He 'never knew them'. TALKING about loving him, sheep and needy is meaningless if not backed up with your way of life. Not all who call Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom.

But you will not hear....so be it !

Beta, you say sheep and needy is meaningless If not backup by way of life. Jesus say If you love the needy you love me. Loving the needy is a way of live, why you need to backup a way of life with a way of life. Love is a fruit of Holy spirit AS an evident when we AS a branch abide to the vine. Than branch bear fruit. Love is Jesus way of live, not us, but when Jesus in us, we become Christ like, His way of life become our way of life. Paul Said His life No longer him, but Christ, he die and now Christ life in him. When jews leader ask to Jesus how to save and what is the greater commandment, Jesus say love God an love your neighbors. I don't know how you focus in what day Jesus resurect. If that make you save, Jesus must tell that in the last judgement He Will separate sheep and goats, and sheep is the people that believe Jesus resurect oN saturday, goat believe Jesus resurect oN sunday. It is Nothing to do with love, brother. It is just legalistic.

 

[ComeLordJesus]

No Scripture through the Spirit. Christ is our Intermediate. It is He that intercedes for us, not Mary or any of the so called saints.

GOD judges and makes Saints not man. He sees all and knows all. HIS judgement is true our's is not. We can not judge ourselves how are we to judge another who we know less? We might see what they are doing in our presence; in the light of day. But what happens in the night? No man knows but the man, and HE that knows all; God.

As if our judgement is true to put people in heaven why we are yet in the flesh.....

We can not judge ourselves​

Adam and Eve tried a form of that when they tried to cover themselves with fig leaves.​

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[ComeLordJesus]

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The Rosary

Question: I was taught that the rosary is scriptural because all 15 mysteries tell about the life of Christ. The "hail Mary" (the first part anyway) is taken directly from the Bible. Your thoughts?

Answer: Consider first of all, the form of the rosary. It is 10 repetitions of the 'Hail Mary' for five times. What did our Lord say about repetitious prayer? "When you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words" (Matthew 6:6,7). Prayer is the spontaneous expression of the heart before God - of praise and thanksgiving, confession and petition. Repeating the same prayer over and over again tends to dull the mind. Such repetitions are vain and pagan.

Secondly, and more importantly, note that Jesus told us to address our prayer to God. "Pray to your Father." There is no example or permission in the whole Bible of Christians praying to anyone except God. And for a good reason. God is able to hear our prayers from heaven (there must be thousands of people praying at this very moment), because He knows all things. "whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone...then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and act, and give to everyone according to all his ways, whose heart You know - for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men" (1 Kings 8:38,39). God knows our heart and He hears our prayer. But Mary is not God. She is a finite human being. She does not know the hearts of all people. God alone knows them. "For You ALONE know the hearts of all the sons of men."

Thirdly, when Catholics pray to Mary: "Pray for us sinners, now and in the hour of our death," they are placing their trust for salvation in the hands of a creature, rather in the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Mary herself did not do so because she acknowledged God as her Savior (Luke 1:47). The Catholic Catechism explains the significance of the 'Hail Mary': 'Our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender the hour of our death wholly to her care' (paragraph 2677). Please find Act 7:59 in your Bible and read about a Christian at the very moment before his death. To whose care did he commit his spirit before he died? And then ask yourself, to whom am I surrendering the hour of my death - to Mary (a saved creature) or to the Lord Jesus (our God and Savior)?

The Rosary

Good post mailmandan. It's interesting that Jesus never said anything that gave Mary any real reverence.

And it came to pass as he said these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

But he said, Yea, rather blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. ​Luke 11:27,28

 

[Nehemiah6]

It's interesting that Jesus never said anything that gave Mary any real reverence.

There can be no doubt that the Lord Jesus Christ loved His mother and cared for her.

At the same time, He made sure that the whole world, and particularly His disciples (and now Christians) clearly understood that He could not, and would not elevate her above her proper place in the scheme of things. Given the fact that He was "the seed of the woman", He always addressed her publicly as "Woman".

Also, when Mary and her other children came to shut down Jesus, He made it crystal clear that they could not have any special treatment, and that His "mother" and "brethren" were all those who did the will of God. In other words, His human relations were set aside once He began His public ministry.

Mary herself would strenuously object to the way the Catholics and Orthodox have elevated her to become "Mother of God". She herself recognized that she was also a sinner who needed a Savior.

And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Luke 1:47)

 

[garee]

At the same time, He made sure that the whole world, and particularly His disciples (and now Christians) clearly understood that He could not, and would not elevate her above her proper place in the scheme of things. Given the fact that He was "the seed of the woman", He always addressed her publicly as "Woman".

Proper place as a female slave (handmaiden) ? I would ask proper place in respect to whose things, those of men or the things of God? The spiritual seed of the woman, Christ has mother as a beginning of days. What would it have to do with the corruptible flesh of His mother?

Would he venerate the flesh of His mother for some reason?
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[Jackson123]

Catholic worship Lucifer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHyY0PV2iVU

 

[Jackson123]

I was read from the testimony of ex Jesuit Dr Alberto rivera about sex s andal in vatican, they are satanic and make sex party for one of their ritual to gain more power require by lucifer, they are lucifer worshiper, than people accused Dr Alberto AS alias.

But, this link below prove Alberto not Lie, vatican is.

this well known news paper say there is sex party in the vatican that kill a pretty teens, happen in the 80'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...apped-for-sex-parties-for-Vatican-police.html

it is prove that catholic is satanic religion.

happen again last year


Vatican police raid drug-fueled gay orgy at top priest's apartment  - NY Daily News