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pjharrison said:
It seems that some of you think this is a joke. This life determines where you live after you leave this earth. You don't just go to sleep. Your soul lives.
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When people die, they are dead, and will remain so until one of the upcoming resurrections.
 
pjharrison said:
I think you think it's all a game. 1 cor: 3 - 10.
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I have not interacted with you previous to this week. I don't know what you believe. You've made some statements that seem to suggest certain beliefs, so I question you for clarification. Just answer the question.
 
shrume said:
The angels in 1 Cor 11:10 are demons.

What is silly is your belief that demons have a particular affinity for women. They bug men and women equally.
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I agree that the belief is silly, but I disagree that the angels Paul wrote of there are demons. The two are different words, as shown in Romans 8:38 and 1 Cor 10:20. If Paul meant "demons" he would have written "demons" or "unclean spirits".
 
Dino246 said:
I agree that the belief is silly, but I disagree that the angels Paul wrote of there are demons. The two are different words, as shown in Romans 8:38 and 1 Cor 10:20. If Paul meant "demons" he would have written "demons" or "unclean spirits".
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Angels (aggelos) have sinned:

2 Pet 2:
4) For if God spared not the angels (aggelos) that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
 
shrume said:
Angels (aggelos) have sinned:

2 Pet 2:
4) For if God spared not the angels (aggelos) that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
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I thought we were discussing Paul's letters, not Peter's.
 
Dino246 said:
I thought we were discussing Paul's letters, not Peter's.
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I suggest that the angels in Rom 8:38 are fallen angels.

Rom 8:
38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Why would "good" angels try to separate us from the love of God?

Also:

2 Cor 12:
7) And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

"Messenger" is "aggelos ".
 
shrume said:
I suggest that the angels in Rom 8:38 are fallen angels.

Rom 8:
38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Why would "good" angels try to separate us from the love of God?
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So check Paul's other uses of "angels". If they all, without exception, clearly denote unclean spirits, then you have a point. I don't believe they do.
 
Dino246 said:
So check Paul's other uses of "angels". If they all, without exception, clearly denote unclean spirits, then you have a point. I don't believe they do.
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I edited my response, probably while you were replying.. :)
 
shrume said:
Debatable on some verses.
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Nestlé Aland is not afraid to exclude traditional verses. So when they do not, there is no good chance the text is not authentic.

Some people can say so in blogs or something, but thats all. The text is in every manuscript, including the earliest ones.
 
Dino246 said:
I agree that the belief is silly, but I disagree that the angels Paul wrote of there are demons. The two are different words, as shown in Romans 8:38 and 1 Cor 10:20. If Paul meant "demons" he would have written "demons" or "unclean spirits".
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You don't need a covering from the angels of God
 
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