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Please point out where I was “name calling” and “feuding”, thanks!
Actually, I’ve done quite a bit of research. I do know quite well who I’m talking about. I also have family and friends caught up on some of what I was referring to.
I’m glad to read that. Nowhere did I say all Pentecostal churches have such “manifestations”, many do and I know this very well.
Where did I say I was judging “all people”? In fact, it’s not the people I am speaking against; our battle is not against “flesh and blood”. What concerns me are the lying signs and wonders and the heretical and sometimes blasphemous things being done in the name of the Holy Spirit. If you haven’t, I encourage you to do some careful research into this topic.
Obviously, I never said otherwise.
Once again, I did not say I was “throwing off all Pentecostals.” People are not our enemies, we are in a very real Spiritual battle and we are called by the word of God to test all things and be discerning.
Many are indeed deceived in so many churches today by these “manifestations.” As I already wrote, I personally know people I love and care about who are. You may think discernment in these matters is simple, it’s not. We must pray for guidance every single day.
Actually, I’ve done quite a bit of research. I do know quite well who I’m talking about. I also have family and friends caught up on some of what I was referring to.
I’m glad to read that. Nowhere did I say all Pentecostal churches have such “manifestations”, many do and I know this very well.
Where did I say I was judging “all people”? In fact, it’s not the people I am speaking against; our battle is not against “flesh and blood”. What concerns me are the lying signs and wonders and the heretical and sometimes blasphemous things being done in the name of the Holy Spirit. If you haven’t, I encourage you to do some careful research into this topic.
Obviously, I never said otherwise.
Once again, I did not say I was “throwing off all Pentecostals.” People are not our enemies, we are in a very real Spiritual battle and we are called by the word of God to test all things and be discerning.
Many are indeed deceived in so many churches today by these “manifestations.” As I already wrote, I personally know people I love and care about who are. You may think discernment in these matters is simple, it’s not. We must pray for guidance every single day.
While agree with the last statement .My experience is that they do say others do not have the whole gospel filled with the Holy Spirit unless we seek after a signs and wonders gospel . With wonders representing a another source of faith other than Christs alone, the kind that comes from hearing God through the scriptures . In that way sign seekers make the cross without effect. the kind that Christ sait of those who seek after requiring a sign before they would believe they are filled with the Holy Spirit Jesus call them a evil generation (natural unconverted man) . Big difference
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;1 Corintians 1 :21-23
They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? John 6:30
Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. John 4:48
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;1 Corintians 1 :21-23
They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? John 6:30
Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. John 4:48
The first part of that was something I had written before and not to you and I edited it.
As for the rest, what I am saying is there are too many people out there giving Pentecostals a bad name because they are faking it and doing things that are not biblical and referring themselves as Pentecostals or even Christians for that matter (the fakers).
And then there are the others that are giving them a hard time because they don't agree with them doing things which are biblical such as what's talked about in Acts and Corinthians.
So yeah, it's a really ugly situation for some Pentecostals when all they are trying to do is follow the Bible and then get met with so much criticism and persecution over it.
And yeah, I do agree that there are many out there that are deceived and that is a sad situation. And yeah, we should pray for them that God opens up there eyes to the fact that they are deceived.
As for the rest, what I am saying is there are too many people out there giving Pentecostals a bad name because they are faking it and doing things that are not biblical and referring themselves as Pentecostals or even Christians for that matter (the fakers).
And then there are the others that are giving them a hard time because they don't agree with them doing things which are biblical such as what's talked about in Acts and Corinthians.
So yeah, it's a really ugly situation for some Pentecostals when all they are trying to do is follow the Bible and then get met with so much criticism and persecution over it.
And yeah, I do agree that there are many out there that are deceived and that is a sad situation. And yeah, we should pray for them that God opens up there eyes to the fact that they are deceived.
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Okay, thank you for clarifying.
Many of these churches belong to official Pentecostal branches. And, to be honest, although I’m sure there’s fakery, I don’t believe it’s all fake. I do believe there is something actually going on. Many of these “manifestations” are exactly like those seen in Eastern religions.
That is not what I am referring to. I don’t believe in just giving people a “hard time.”
Again, this is not what I am referring to. I have no issue with people trying to “follow the Bible”, obviously.
I agree. And we should be humble as well and realize that we too can be deceived. Which is why we must cherish and respect the word of God and earnestly pray for and seek discernment.
Many of these churches belong to official Pentecostal branches. And, to be honest, although I’m sure there’s fakery, I don’t believe it’s all fake. I do believe there is something actually going on. Many of these “manifestations” are exactly like those seen in Eastern religions.
That is not what I am referring to. I don’t believe in just giving people a “hard time.”
Again, this is not what I am referring to. I have no issue with people trying to “follow the Bible”, obviously.
I agree. And we should be humble as well and realize that we too can be deceived. Which is why we must cherish and respect the word of God and earnestly pray for and seek discernment.
Here is a very good example of not getting the message due to not factoring in all the words there of.
In Isaiah, God tell us, "Bring your argument to Me, that you may be proven correct."
Boy, did i EVER HAVE THAT ONE WRONG FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, THINKING this would be possible.
God was referring to bringing your argument fro your idols and false gods so that one may be proven correct..........impossible, and totally taken out of context....praise God.
In Isaiah, God tell us, "Bring your argument to Me, that you may be proven correct."
Boy, did i EVER HAVE THAT ONE WRONG FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, THINKING this would be possible.
God was referring to bringing your argument fro your idols and false gods so that one may be proven correct..........impossible, and totally taken out of context....praise God.
Just in case someone else wants to read only the first line of my post, my experience inthe Body of Jesus Christ has been best passed in just aabout any Charismatic or Pentecostal service........... and Yes, THE CHOSEN FROZEN DO SCOFF AT their worship. I do not scoff at any who worship Jesus Christ at either end of this hot and cold worship........at least neither are luke warm.
I get the hot and cold it applies to the doctrines of God that fall from heaven like drops of rain .And God does the scoffing (stammering or mocking lips) as a sign against those who refuse to beleive the word of God.
How would that apply if not a doctrine of God but rather a doctrine of men ? like in Charismaticism? The word sign as a gift that men must seek after in order to be filled with the Holy Spirit is not a doctrines of God.
Jesus said its an evil generation (natural unconverted men) that say "seeing is believing" .They have no faith just the imagination of their own desperately wicked and beyond cure heart
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I used to have a good friend that was a Charismatic Baptist Missionary from South Africa he spoke in tongues, cast out demons etc. he said down there they were called Happy Bappy's lol.
I really don't like to call myself by a denominational name anyhow...