Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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shrume

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Adam committed the actual moral sin not you, me or Jesus. But since we were in his loins, in his genetic make up at the time, we all were involved in that sin, even Jesus, as far as our human nature is concerned. Having the sin nature is not a moral condition but a weakeness of being born human.
Jesus was not in the loins of Adam. Jesus' Father is God, the Father.
 

GodisONE

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Jesus was not in the loins of Adam. Jesus' Father is God, the Father.

Yeshua is the SPOKEN WORD of Yahweh made flesh. He existed from day 1 since He is God.

the words you speak, are they YOU or another person?

Yeshua is the WORD!!

He is WORDs spoken from the mouth of God. therefore, He is God!!

the FATHER is our FATHER, not Yeshua's Father!!
 

GodisONE

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we are the ones praying...OUR FATHER WHICH ART IN HEAVEN, not Yeshua.

He only taught us that prayer, but it is us praying it to OUR FATHER!!
 

Dino246

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you told me I was not saved. you started this. how can you demean me and then cry foul? what kind of human being are you, other than a weak minded one?
Quote me where I called you "unsaved" or even implied it.

In post 656 I asked you a pointed question regarding the KJV. Your response in post 659 included the following statements, with caps preserved:

“has it ever occurred to you to do some RESEARCH and EDUCATE yourself?
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has it ever occurred to you to GET A CLUE? “

In response to that post, I mentioned that your attitude stinks. Given the last comment from your most recent post, I still think that. Regardless of what you believe about the nature of God, if your posts demonstrate a glaring absence of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, something isn't right. Whether you are saved or not is between you and Jesus.

Perhaps you need to review who wrote what for yourself. Then perhaps you will have something else to write in response to me.
 

shrume

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Yeshua is the SPOKEN WORD of Yahweh made flesh. He existed from day 1 since He is God.

the words you speak, are they YOU or another person?

Yeshua is the WORD!!

He is WORDs spoken from the mouth of God. therefore, He is God!!

the FATHER is our FATHER, not Yeshua's Father!!
Please take this topic to its own thread. This is not about Trinitarianism vs Oneness.
 

GodisONE

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Please take this topic to its own thread. This is not about Trinitarianism vs Oneness.

my answer is about who Yeshua is.
if you knew that, you would not be concerned if He was born of Mary because neither Mary or joseph even matters.
He IS NOT from the loins of God [that is literally an insane response].
He is the WORD!!
means He is the action of what God speaks into existence.
 

GodisONE

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Quote me where I called you "unsaved" or even implied it.

In post 656 I asked you a pointed question regarding the KJV. Your response in post 659 included the following statements, with caps preserved:

“has it ever occurred to you to do some RESEARCH and EDUCATE yourself?
...
has it ever occurred to you to GET A CLUE? “

In response to that post, I mentioned that your attitude stinks. Given the last comment from your most recent post, I still think that. Regardless of what you believe about the nature of God, if your posts demonstrate a glaring absence of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, something isn't right. Whether you are saved or not is between you and Jesus.

Perhaps you need to review who wrote what for yourself. Then perhaps you will have something else to write in response to me.


my response was accurate towards you. I have read your other posts and you most certainly do need to get a clue!!
 

CS1

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I don't think so. I think you are confused.

CS1
I understand that. What mr. Millard might want to consider is what Jesus gave UP to become flesh. When we understand that Jesus
will for eternality have that Body. This is what Jesus gave up HIS Omni-Presence because of the body HE willfully took on in the Likeness of sinful man. HE did not have unlimited Power, Knowing, and Authority . HE gave up for US so HE could be like us for ever without sin AS HE desires us to be AND Made it Possible In HIM.


Chuckyz2
Jesus was given all power. He had legions of Good Angels at his disposal.
He could make the blind see. The lame walk. The dead rise. What are you talking about?

this is were you and I started .

My point Here had to do with the willful limitation of Christ .
 

CS1

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my answer is about who Yeshua is.
if you knew that, you would not be concerned if He was born of Mary because neither Mary or joseph even matters.
He IS NOT from the loins of God [that is literally an insane response].
He is the WORD!!
means He is the action of what God speaks into existence.
wrong .

Mary did Matter and so did Joseph.
They matter in the genealogy of Christ in Matthews and Luke.
 

GodisONE

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wrong .

Mary did Matter and so did Joseph.
They matter in the genealogy of Christ in Matthews and Luke.

anyone from the lineage could have filled the position, anyone.
 
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Jesus' was descended from Adam through Mary. Jesus' Father is God.

The sin nature is passed through the seed, the father.

Therefore, Jesus did not have a sin nature.
Jesus had a sin nature because, in this case, the "seed" came from the mother Gen 3:15.
 

GodisONE

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anyone from the lineage could have filled the position, anyone.


it's why I cringe when Catholics pray to Mary like she is someone special. she was a willing vessel. and if she was not willing, God would have found another way.

example:
ever been to church and preacher tells someone they should be a preacher?

let's say this is the will of God but that person never preaches.
that does not stop God. He just finds someone who is willing to preach and takes that persons place.

WE ARE ALL REPLACEABLE if we do not remain in the WILL of GOD!!
 

CS1

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anyone from the lineage could have filled the position, anyone.
yes but God did not record just anyone did HE ? The word of God says HE sent an Angel to tell Mary that SHE was Highly Favored of the Lord . Luke 1:28. Now I looked up that words Highly favored in the Greek

meaning: indue with special honor:—make accepted, be highly favoured. the words blessed art thou among women

Blessed :
  1. to praise, celebrate with praises

among women:

mary was given a high Honor that NO other women ever born was given or has been given since .
 

CS1

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it's why I cringe when Catholics pray to Mary like she is someone special. she was a willing vessel. and if she was not willing, God would have found another way.

example:
ever been to church and preacher tells someone they should be a preacher?

let's say this is the will of God but that person never preaches.
that does not stop God. He just finds someone who is willing to preach and takes that persons place.

WE ARE ALL REPLACEABLE if we do not remain in the WILL of GOD!!
that is another topic and not relevant at this time in this thread
 
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Women do not have seed. The seed comes from the father, always.

Gen 3:15 is an allusion to the virgin birth.
I choose to bow my intellect to the revelation of Scripture instead. Gen 3:15 says Jesus' seed came from His mother.
 

CS1

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it's why I cringe when Catholics pray to Mary like she is someone special. she was a willing vessel. and if she was not willing, God would have found another way.

example:
ever been to church and preacher tells someone they should be a preacher?

let's say this is the will of God but that person never preaches.
that does not stop God. He just finds someone who is willing to preach and takes that persons place.

WE ARE ALL REPLACEABLE if we do not remain in the WILL of GOD!!
this is why you error God would not have told Mary if she was not obedient. God Honored her , women are to honor her the church is to honor her . She is the Mother of our Lord. I'm not going to speak ill of Jesus momma .
 

shrume

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my answer is about who Yeshua is.
if you knew that, you would not be concerned if He was born of Mary because neither Mary or joseph even matters.
I know who Jesus is, and he is not the Father. And Mary matters very much, as she is how Jesus is a blood descendant of David.

He IS NOT from the loins of God [that is literally an insane response].
Yes, it would be insane, unless taken figuratively. I did not say it.

He is the WORD!!
The Word made flesh.

means He is the action of what God speaks into existence.
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