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From what I have learned about that vow, the first actions was a personal choice not a written command to do as taught in numbers 6, the vow period ran for a seven year period when a Nazarite wanted to move from being a Nazarite to God it was completely voluntary to do so not a requirement.
Nazarite vow is taken by individuals who have voluntarily dedicated themselves to God. The vow is a decision, action, and desire on the part of people whose desire is to yield themselves to God completely. By definition, the Hebrew word nazir, simply means “to be separated or consecrated.” The Nazirite vow had five features to complete before being presented in the tent. from what I have read about the vow it could be performed by a man or woman. queen Helena failed twice and ran the vow for a period of 21 years.
Nazarite vow is taken by individuals who have voluntarily dedicated themselves to God. The vow is a decision, action, and desire on the part of people whose desire is to yield themselves to God completely. By definition, the Hebrew word nazir, simply means “to be separated or consecrated.” The Nazirite vow had five features to complete before being presented in the tent. from what I have read about the vow it could be performed by a man or woman. queen Helena failed twice and ran the vow for a period of 21 years.
Did you even stop to think that if this was indeed true, then there would be ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for sixteen verses of Scripture to teach THE EXACT OPPOSITE?
What is this verse teaching?
That a woman's long hair are a NATURAL covering for natural women, THEREFORE a woman's head covering during worship (while hiding her natural glory before God) will be a SPIRITUAL covering for a spiritual woman, who is in submission to husband, God, and Christ.
It is truly amazing that even though the Holy Spirit informs Christians at the very start that this is all about headship and authority within God's order in the home and in the local church, Christians are prepared to ignore everything that God says through Paul in this passage, and concoct their own theories. The heart of this Bible doctrine about the woman's covered head during worship is found here (1 Cor 11:3):
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
By slightly rearranging these words, Christians can grasp what is being said:
1. the head of Christ is God
2. the head of every man is Christ
3. the head of the woman is the man
4. The woman's head covering is symbolic of these relationships.
What is this verse teaching?
That a woman's long hair are a NATURAL covering for natural women, THEREFORE a woman's head covering during worship (while hiding her natural glory before God) will be a SPIRITUAL covering for a spiritual woman, who is in submission to husband, God, and Christ.
It is truly amazing that even though the Holy Spirit informs Christians at the very start that this is all about headship and authority within God's order in the home and in the local church, Christians are prepared to ignore everything that God says through Paul in this passage, and concoct their own theories. The heart of this Bible doctrine about the woman's covered head during worship is found here (1 Cor 11:3):
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
By slightly rearranging these words, Christians can grasp what is being said:
1. the head of Christ is God
2. the head of every man is Christ
3. the head of the woman is the man
4. The woman's head covering is symbolic of these relationships.
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Don't yet know how to send a PM, but I hope she had the right address........ 
Unless it hasn't arrived yet.......will be looking for it though
God bless
Unless it hasn't arrived yet.......will be looking for it though
God bless
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If the authority thing applies today, why do all the other thingies about women not?
Cherry picking?
Cherry picking?
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I agree about folks having different understandings...........cause.......well........Paul is telling folks that Nature itself shows how things should be here in the natural world........and to read into that he thinks the man is the spiritual covering for a woman isn't, ..... well .... natural!
Sometimes Scripture means what it says, and there isn't a hidden meaning or any such..........it means what it says.....
Now, iffin ya wanna get into hidden meanings, just think on how it says that women are saved through childbirth.....
uh, er, does that mean if a woman does not have any children she can not be saved?
anyway
Sometimes Scripture means what it says, and there isn't a hidden meaning or any such..........it means what it says.....
Now, iffin ya wanna get into hidden meanings, just think on how it says that women are saved through childbirth.....
uh, er, does that mean if a woman does not have any children she can not be saved?
anyway
I would seem the vow that was instructed to his mother came in Numbers 6. All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled. It would seem they were fulfilled serving the purpose that God had intended ..
The point I was trying to make is there was a exception from the normal or natural way, long hair for woman. But the new ceremonial law had nothing to length but representative glories .As man with his head uncovered represent Christ our husband not see . woman was the representative glory of man the head. And woman not left without a representative glory was given her hair. It must be covered .The only glory to be seen was by mixing faith in that which was seen to give us the unseen spiritual understanding of the parable.
I picture it like Moses putting on a vail to cover the glory of being in the presence of God.
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the Vow is a personal choice if one choices to be closer to God. All the days be forfilled the vow is to be practiced for 7 years. then the Nazarite can be presented in the tent.
The instructions the angel gave to Samson's mother is found in judges 13 the birth of Samson. the instructions was given before Samson was born. It's a fasntnenating read, similar to John the Baptist in some ways.
The instructions the angel gave to Samson's mother is found in judges 13 the birth of Samson. the instructions was given before Samson was born. It's a fasntnenating read, similar to John the Baptist in some ways.
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I agree about folks having different understandings...........cause.......well........Paul is telling folks that Nature itself shows how things should be here in the natural world........and to read into that he thinks the man is the spiritual covering for a woman isn't, ..... well .... natural!
Sometimes Scripture means what it says, and there isn't a hidden meaning or any such..........it means what it says.....
Now, iffin ya wanna get into hidden meanings, just think on how it says that women are saved through childbirth.....
uh, er, does that mean if a woman does not have any children she can not be saved?
anyway
Sometimes Scripture means what it says, and there isn't a hidden meaning or any such..........it means what it says.....
Now, iffin ya wanna get into hidden meanings, just think on how it says that women are saved through childbirth.....
uh, er, does that mean if a woman does not have any children she can not be saved?
anyway
There surely are folks on this Site who still have the carnal believers view of some things.....and there are those who have the spiritual view as well. The Carnal believer is surely saved, but not yet sanctified, and, therein lies the problem when folks start discussing various issues of Scripture. The Carnal believer sees the carnal, while the Spiritual believer sees the spiritual.
Best example of this (in my opinion) is revealed in Paul's teachings about women. The Carnal believer sees man or woman, bond or free, Jew or Gentile, while the Spiritual believer sees that (as Paul told the Galatians) once saved..............ALL are seen by God as His children. He sees them ALL equal, the same........neither bond or free, Jew or Gentile, or MAN or WOMAN.......
God is a Spirit, and to worship Him, we must worship Him in spirit........to see as He sees..........we must see through spiritual eyes, not our carnal eyes......... AND this is where so much disputation has it's roots in my opinion.
As such, man and woman (once saved) are THE SAME in the eyes of God, and He does not see one as the "covering" of the other. For, if He did, then He would SEE them differently, and Scripture says He DOES NOT.
God bless
Best example of this (in my opinion) is revealed in Paul's teachings about women. The Carnal believer sees man or woman, bond or free, Jew or Gentile, while the Spiritual believer sees that (as Paul told the Galatians) once saved..............ALL are seen by God as His children. He sees them ALL equal, the same........neither bond or free, Jew or Gentile, or MAN or WOMAN.......
God is a Spirit, and to worship Him, we must worship Him in spirit........to see as He sees..........we must see through spiritual eyes, not our carnal eyes......... AND this is where so much disputation has it's roots in my opinion.
As such, man and woman (once saved) are THE SAME in the eyes of God, and He does not see one as the "covering" of the other. For, if He did, then He would SEE them differently, and Scripture says He DOES NOT.
God bless
BTW:
In the 7th Chapter of 1 Corinthians, Paul reveals his two styles of writing/teaching clearly.
He writes "Thus Sayeth the Lord" meaning that these are commandments from God and there is no room for argument or debate. It is thus sayeth the Lord........PERIOD.
He also writes "It would be better that/I would rather that" meaning he is giving HIS OPINION(s) on matters AND these opinions ARE NOT Commandments from God.
This too causes much confusion with some, and leads to disputations and false teachings in my opinion.
In the 7th Chapter of 1 Corinthians, Paul reveals his two styles of writing/teaching clearly.
He writes "Thus Sayeth the Lord" meaning that these are commandments from God and there is no room for argument or debate. It is thus sayeth the Lord........PERIOD.
He also writes "It would be better that/I would rather that" meaning he is giving HIS OPINION(s) on matters AND these opinions ARE NOT Commandments from God.
This too causes much confusion with some, and leads to disputations and false teachings in my opinion.
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