The Cosmos

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According to Gen 1:15-18, God set stars in the sky for illumination.

Well; the only stars whose shine is of any practical use as illumination on the
Earth are those of the Milky Way: in point of fact, every star in the sky
visible to the naked eye is a Milky Way star. Stars in other galaxies are too
far away to be seen without a telescope; which is actually a relatively recent
invention. Jesus and the apostles didn't have telescopes, nor did anyone
before them, including Abraham.

● Gen 15:4-5 . .The word of The Lord came to him in reply: That one shall
not be your heir; none but your very own issue shall be your heir. He took
him outside and said: Look toward heaven and count the stars, if you are
able to count them. And He added: So shall your offspring be.

In Abraham's day, prior to the invention of optics, the only stars that people
could see with their own eyes were those in our home galaxy; the Milky
Way; which consists of an estimated 100-400 billion stars. But many of
those estimated billions of stars appear to the naked eye not as stars but as
glowing clouds; viz: they cannot be individually distinguished by the naked
eye so those didn't matter to Abraham when it came to actually tallying the
heavens.

The entire global sky contains roughly five or six thousand stars visible to
the naked eye. However, they can't all be seen at once; only the ones out
after dark. So then; Abraham could see maybe three thousand discernable
stars from dark till dawn.

God had said "if you are able to count them". Well; even at only three
thousand, the task would be difficult; and for him to count all six thousand
would be nigh unto impossible without losing track of where he left off.
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[Noose]

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Well; if you're going cite the New Testament, then you're pretty much
obligated to cite Christ's definition of day, which reads as follows:

● John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in
the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if
anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

According to Jesus' statement, day is a 12-hour period of light only rather
than a 24-hour amalgam of light and dark. Which corroborates God's
testimony that day is light and night is dark.

● Gen 1:4b-5a . . God separated the light from the darkness. God called the
light Day, and the darkness He called Night.

In my mind's eye, Jesus and his Father easily qualify as expert witnesses
who know what they're talking about so I really think you should listen to
them.

Now as to the biblical meanings of evening and morning, I think it best to
define evening as the hours between high noon and sunset, and define
morning as the hours between sunrise and high noon. That works for me
because that way, evening plus morning adds up to daytime only with no
darkness thrown in to muddy the waters.

If those definitions are true, then it's readily seen that God did all of His
creative works in light only rather than in both light and dark; except of
course the creation of light itself; which was done in the dark.

It's sometimes objected that the Hebrew word for "evening" always and only
defines dusk; but sometimes 'ereb (eh'-reb) suffices for afternoon too.
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Nope. You are trying to look at scripture with your modern day perspective and definitions of evening and morning which doesn't work. The phrase in Genesis alone (1st creation day) should have given you a hint:

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Evening and morning here are being used to define the first day of creation not light and darkness as you think because light and darkness (day and night) were separated for a duration called evening and morning or 24hr day.
It should be clear to you that the word day as used in that short passage has two meanings:

1. The duration of the day with light
2. Evening and morning= 24hr day. This formed the first day of creation, not the first light of creation.
A week is not made of seven lights but seven 24hr days (evenings and mornings).

Jesus and His Father are one person, you need to listen to Him.

 

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Nope.

Fine with me. Viewers are entitled to a second opinion.
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[Noose]

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Fine with me. Viewers are entitled to a second opinion.
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4th and 5th opinions are also ok.

 

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The Bible was created for the inhabitants of the Earth, and solely for the Earth and it's atmosphere (Heaven).

Genesis is a description of the Earth and it's Heaven (atmosphere) being created.

What this generation seems to fail to understand, is that the Kingdom of Heaven existed prior to the Earth ever being created. The Cosmos existed for an eternity before the Earth was ever created.

After the Kingdom of God existed for an eternity, one particular angel in Heaven started a war, and tried to overtake the Throne of God in Heaven, and He failed, the consequences of those actions is why God had a need to create the planet Earth. AFTER eons of the Kingdom of Heaven (Cosmos) existed. If you want to know the TRUTH how it all went down, and was told to me by God Himself, then click HERE and read the article i wrote concerning what God told me happened.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

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I believe its a description about all three, the solar system, Galaxy, universe, simultaneously.

 

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Your idea of evening and morning doesn't correlate with the bible. In Genesis, a day is described as evening and morning and all throughout the old testament, a day started at around 3pm (beginning of sun set-evening) and morning at around 3am all the way to 3pm. So, morning is 3am to 3pm and evening is 3pm to 3am and we can see this pattern throughout- not 6pm to 6am or mid night to noon.
This evening and morning days has brought about great controversy according to some people; they believe the bible has contradictory accounts of Jesus crucifixion. One gospels says He was arrested at cock's crow (3am), tried at the 3rd hour of the day (6am), crucified at noon and died at sunset (3pm). This is the Jewish evening/morning day setting.
The other account (which could have been of Roman origin day setting) states that Jesus was tried in the 1st hour of the day (6am), crucified on the 6th hour of the day (noon) and died on the 9th hour of the day (3pm)

Don't you mean 6pm to 6am of those are 4 watches, 6-9,9-12,12-3,3-6
During the day it's hours, first hour is 6am to 7am. Jesus sentenced at 9am the third hour.

 

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Well; if you're going cite the New Testament, then you're pretty much
obligated to cite Christ's definition of day, which reads as follows:

● John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in
the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if
anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

According to Jesus' statement, day is a 12-hour period of light only rather
than a 24-hour amalgam of light and dark. Which corroborates God's
testimony that day is light and night is dark.

● Gen 1:4b-5a . . God separated the light from the darkness. God called the
light Day, and the darkness He called Night.

In my mind's eye, Jesus and his Father easily qualify as expert witnesses
who know what they're talking about so I really think you should listen to
them.

Now as to the biblical meanings of evening and morning, I think it best to
define evening as the hours between high noon and sunset, and define
morning as the hours between sunrise and high noon. That works for me
because that way, evening plus morning adds up to daytime only with no
darkness thrown in to muddy the waters.

If those definitions are true, then it's readily seen that God did all of His
creative works in light only rather than in both light and dark; except of
course the creation of light itself; which was done in the dark.

It's sometimes objected that the Hebrew word for "evening" always and only
defines dusk; but sometimes 'ereb (eh'-reb) suffices for afternoon too.
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"In my father's day, it took three days to drive across Australia during the day." It is clear that this sentence uses the word "day" in three different senses. The context makes each sense clear.

Context is king when it comes to interpretation. Jesus was talking about the daylight hours. He was not declaring categorically that "day" = "12 hours rather than 24 hours".

 

[iamsoandso]

The evening('ereb #6153) and morning( boger #1242) in Daniel 8:26 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/daniel/8-26.htm are in reference to an age of time lasting from it's beginning to it's end and being spoken of in Matthew 12:32,Luke 18:30...

 

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IN the beginning God created hydrogen and helium, with a dash of trace elements of coarse.

 

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● Ps 104:5-9 . . He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never
be moved. You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood
above the mountains. At your rebuke they fled; at the sound of your thunder
they took to flight. The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place
that you appointed for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass, so
that they might not again cover the earth.

Psalm 104 is stunning; and clearly way ahead of its time. Mountains rising,
and valleys sinking speaks of tectonic plates, magma pressure, and the
forces of subduction.

It's doubtful the Psalmist knew about those sciences but he was clearly
somehow aware that the Earth's crust is malleable. And that's true. With just
the right combination of time, temperature, and pressure; solid rock can be
made to bend, even forced to hairpin back upon itself like taffy.
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● Ps 104:5-9 . . He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never
be moved. You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood
above the mountains. At your rebuke they fled; at the sound of your thunder
they took to flight. The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place
that you appointed for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass, so
that they might not again cover the earth.

Psalm 104 is stunning; and clearly way ahead of its time. Mountains rising,
and valleys sinking speaks of tectonic plates, magma pressure, and the
forces of subduction.

It's doubtful the Psalmist knew about those sciences but he was clearly
somehow aware that the Earth's crust is malleable. And that's true. With just
the right combination of time, temperature, and pressure; solid rock can be
made to bend, even forced to hairpin back upon itself like taffy.
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Ockham's Razor! It makes far more sense that the folds and bends were formed while the layers were still soft, recently deposited sediment.

 

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When Adam was created was he created as a grown mature man or from an embryo then born and raised up by God,or else if he was a man of maturity then why not the other of creation,birds,rocks,fossils ect ? I ask because most would have no problem with Adam but the rocks differ...

 

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Don't you mean 6pm to 6am of those are 4 watches, 6-9,9-12,12-3,3-6
During the day it's hours, first hour is 6am to 7am. Jesus sentenced at 9am the third hour.

It depends on which timing system you are using, other gospels talk of the 3rd hour sentencing (which i guess is the Roman timing system which starts counting the day at 6am), so that would mean at around 9am in the morning. But:

John 19:13 When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat on the judgment seat at a place called the Stone Pavement, which in Aramaic is Gabbatha. 14It was the day of Preparation for the Passover, about the sixth hour. And Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your King!” 15At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!” “Shall I crucify your King?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” replied the chief priests.

John says Jesus was sentenced at the 6th hour. This is the Jewish system where a 24hr day starts at 3pm and ends the next evening at 3pm, and the 12 hour light (morning) starts at 3am in the morning to 3pm afternoon and evening starts at 3pm and ends at 3am in the morning. So, 6th hour of the day is the same as the 3rd hour.
It is also in the Jewish system that Jesus spent 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, the other system doesn't get you anywhere.

 

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Alexander Friedmann's theory of an expanding universe was lent some
credibility by Edwin Hubble's discovery that galaxies, in all directions, appear
to be moving away from each other. Further studies revealed that the
movement isn't steady.

For example: A galaxy called GN-z11 was reported by NASA in 2016 to be
about 13½ billion light-years distant based on an analysis of the spectrum of
its starlight. But that was its observed distance. All during the millennia that
its light was traveling to our neighborhood of the cosmos; GN-z11 was
moving away. It's so-called "proper distance" is 32 billion light-years.

NOTE: Light years aren't a measure of age, they're only a measure of
distance. In other words: GN-z11's proper distance doesn't really tell us how
old it is; only how far away it is.

Some felt that the effects of universal gravity would limit the cosmos'
expansion and make it slow down; eventually stop it from expanding, and
make everything shrink back to its original state. But we now know from the
supernova studies of Saul Perlmutter, Brian Schmidt, and Adam Reiss that
the universe is not only expanding, but contrary to sensible expectations,
the velocity of its expansion is accelerating; viz: gravity isn't slowing the
expansion down at all, it's actually speeding up.

To illustrate that; let's imagine for a moment that the cosmos was
expanding at 500 meters per second at 06:00 am this morning. By noon it
might conceivably be expanding at 600 meters per second.

There's something out there in the cosmos labeled, for convenience sake;
dark energy. Nobody yet knows its source; but it is so strong that all the
gravity of all the known matter cannot stop the dark energy from expanding
the universe at an ever-increasing velocity. At that rate; the cosmos will
never of its own accord stop expanding in order to shrink itself back into one
solid glob of highly condensed material.

But I have to ask: towards what is the cosmos expanding? Where does the
void end; if at all? My gosh; how much longer, and how much further can
the cosmos' expansion possibly continue until it bumps into something or
else pops like a colossal bubble? And if there is something to bump into out
there; then what is it, and what's on the other side? Is the void infinite?

Of interest to me is the limits of the cosmos' observable horizon. In other
words; seeing as how the universe has always been expanding, then it's
conceivable that there are portions of the universe that are now so far away
that we will never, ever be able to see them. The problem is: the further
away a source of light is, the smaller its observed dimensions and thus
the dimmer it's light until the source is so far away that an observer cannot
detect even the faintest glimmer.

It took the HST ten days of exposure time for its cameras to gather enough
light to resolve objects in the Hubble Deep Field. There's going to come a
time when no matter how big the telescope and no matter how long its
cameras stare into space, there are going to be objects out there that will
never be picked up.

The discovery of the cosmos' accelerating expansion was very discouraging
for cosmologist Alan Sandage since he was once a proponent of the theory
that the universe would some day shrink upon itself; and called the
discovery of the ever-increasing velocity of the expanding universe a
"terrible surprise." At a 1998 cosmologists conference in Berkeley California,
Mr. Sandage told the gathering that contemplating the majesty of the big
bang helped make him a believer in God; and willing to accept that the
creation of the cosmos could only be explained as a miracle.

But even the Big Bang is problematic. Banged from what? Where did the
material come from that banged? And how long had that material been in
existence before it got around to banging?
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When Adam was created was he created as a grown mature man or from an embryo

Well; had Adam been created an embryo, then he would've been a test tube
baby seeing as how there were no wombs available until women came to
be.

if he was a man of maturity then why not the other of creation, birds, rocks, fossils etc ?

Fake fossils would be tantamount to fraud.
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Well; had Adam been created an embryo, then he would've been a test tube
baby seeing as how there were no wombs available until women came to
be.




Fake fossils would be tantamount to fraud.
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What I was meaning is if Adam was created as a mature adult (most agree I think)then Eve was taken out of him(rib) and was a mature woman also then the other things such as limestone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limestone why is it not reasonable to think they wouldn't be created in a mature state also? the same also with whales,birds ect. when they were made were they adults/mature and their seed in them?

 

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What I was meaning is if Adam was created as a mature adult (most agree I think)then Eve was taken out of him(rib) and was a mature woman also then the other things such as limestone

Your theory has the cart before the horse, so to speak.

Limestone is composed mainly of the skeletal fragments of marine organisms such as coral, forams, and mollusks. In other words; there had to be living organisms already existing on the Earth before there could be limestone.
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It depends on which timing system you are using, other gospels talk of the 3rd hour sentencing (which i guess is the Roman timing system which starts counting the day at 6am), so that would mean at around 9am in the morning. But:

John 19:13 When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat on the judgment seat at a place called the Stone Pavement, which in Aramaic is Gabbatha. 14It was the day of Preparation for the Passover, about the sixth hour. And Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your King!” 15At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!” “Shall I crucify your King?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” replied the chief priests.

John says Jesus was sentenced at the 6th hour. This is the Jewish system where a 24hr day starts at 3pm and ends the next evening at 3pm, and the 12 hour light (morning) starts at 3am in the morning to 3pm afternoon and evening starts at 3pm and ends at 3am in the morning. So, 6th hour of the day is the same as the 3rd hour.
It is also in the Jewish system that Jesus spent 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, the other system doesn't get you anywhere.

The four gospels are not in order, even down to some verses are not in order as it happened. a Jewish new day starts at 6pm Roman time yes but nonetheless the sun doesn't go down in Israel at 3pm at anytime.

Jesus was sentenced before 9am 3 hour, Pilate had the noticed placed on the cross at 12pm 6 hour, Jesus died at 3pm 9 hour.

Jh19:17 Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha).
Jh19:18 Here they crucified him, and with him two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle.

Mk15:25 It was the third hour when they crucified him.

Lk23:35 The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, "He saved others; let him save himself if he is the Christ of God, the Chosen One."
Mt27:34 There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it.
Lk23:34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
Jh19:23 When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom.
Jh19:24 "Let's not tear it," they said to one another. "Let's decide by lot who will get it." This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled which said, "They divided my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing, So this is what the soldiers did.
Mk15:36 One man ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to take him down," he said.
Mt27:36 And sitting down, they kept watch over him there.
Jh19:25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
Jh19:26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son,"
Jh19:27 and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
Mt27:39 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads
Mt27:40 and saying, "You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!"
Mk15:23 Then they offered him wine mixed with myrrh, but he did not take it.

Jh19:14 It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews.
Jh19:19 Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Lk23:36 The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar
Lk23:37 and said, "If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself."
Jh19:21 The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, "Do not write `The King of the Jews,' but that this man claimed to be king of the Jews."
Jh19:22 Pilate answered, "What I have written, I have written."
Jh19:20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.
Mt27:48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink.
Mt27:49 The rest said, "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to save him."

Mt27:45 From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.

 

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Your theory has the cart before the horse, so to speak.

Limestone is composed mainly of the skeletal fragments of marine organisms such as coral, forams, and mollusks. In other words; there had to be living organisms already existing on the Earth before there could be limestone.
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I agree unless Adam and Eve were created as adults if so then I see no problem extending the same idea to the limestone,whales,fish birds ect. meaning they were in an adult stage at creation also(so fossil's also in the first limestone). There I think could only two directions to see this , that Yowm #3117 is 24 hrs and everything is created (including fossils) or these are "ages" I tend to think ages.

 

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● Gen 1:2c . . and Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

When that verse is considered with Gen 1:9; it's readily deduced that that
the Earth's surface was completely submerged at first; so that the planet
has been flooded twice in the past; but that was it.

● Gen 9:11 . . I will maintain My covenant with you: never again shall all
flesh be cut off by the waters of a flood, and never again shall there be a
flood to destroy the earth.

Noah needed to hear that so he wouldn't get jumpy the next time it started
to rain really hard in his neighborhood. There is still flooding going on in the
world, but certainly not on the same scale as the Flood.

● Gen 1:6-8 . . And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the
waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the
firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the
waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

We can easily guess what is meant by water that's below the sky. But is
there really water that's above it? Yes, and it's a lot! According to an article
in the Sept 2013 issue of National Geographic magazine, Earth's atmosphere
holds roughly 3,095 cubic miles of water in the form of vapor. That may
seem like a preposterous number of cubic miles of water; but not really
when it's considered that Lake Superior's volume alone is estimated at
nearly 3,000.

Our home planet is really big; a whole lot bigger than people sometimes
realize. It's surface area, in square miles, is 196,940,000. To give an idea of
just how many square miles that is: if somebody were to wrap a belt around
the equator made of one-mile squares; it would only take 24,902 squares to
complete the distance; which is a mere .00012644 the surface area.

Some of the more familiar global warming gases are carbon dioxide,
fluorocarbons, methane, and ozone. But as popular as those gases are with
the media, they're bit players in comparison to the role that ordinary water
vapor plays in global warming. By some estimates; atmospheric water vapor
accounts for more than 90% of global warming; which is not a bad thing
because without atmospheric water vapor, the earth would be so cold that
the only life that could exist here would be extremophiles.

How much water is below the expanse? Well; according to the same article;
the amount contained in swamp water, lakes and rivers, ground water, and
oceans, seas, and bays adds up to something like 326.6 million cubic miles;
and that's not counting the 5.85 million cubic miles tied up in living
organisms, soil moisture, ground ice and permafrost, ice sheets, glaciers,
and permanent snow.

To put that in perspective: a tower 326.6 million miles high would exceed
the Sun's distance better than 3½ times.

● Gen 1:9 . . And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered
together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Shaping the earth's mantle in order to form low spots for the seas and high
spots for dry ground was a colossal feat of magma convection and volcanism
combined with the titanic forces of tectonic plate subduction.

At the ocean's deepest surveyed point-- the Challenger Deep; located in the
Mariana Islands group, at the southern end of the Mariana Trench --the
water's depth is over 11,000 meters; which is about 6.8 statute miles
(36,000 feet). That depth corresponds to the cruising altitude of a Boeing
747. At that altitude, probably about all you're going to see of the airliner
without straining your eyes is its contrail.

Africa's Mt Kilimanjaro is the tallest free-standing mountain on earth at
19,341 feet above its land base. If Kilimanjaro were placed in the Challenger
Deep, it would have about 16,659 feet of water over its peak. Were the
tallest point of the Himalayan range-- Mt Everest --to be submerged in the
Challenger Deep, it would have about 7,000 feet of water over its peak.
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