BIBLE VERSES EXPLAINING SOME TEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

[epostle]

I see no question?

It was more of a polite request than a question:
I suggest you tell me the precise gospel wording that your church accepts as the gospel, and I will see if I can find the same meaning in the Eucharistic Liturgy that is proclaimed at every Mass.

I didn't ask for a lecture on the Protestant misunderstandings of Catholic sotierology, I asked for the precise wording of what you or your church says is the gospel. It's not Thomist systemic theology, Its a simple question. You want to run me all over the map to avoid the obvious. You won't give me the wording because you know I can find YOUR GOSPEL meaning in the Liturgy you claim to know. I was trying to be nice but no, you want to play hardball.

(A) Did not hear the gospel once in twenty years of religious education in elementary school, high school or during church.

(B) Spent many years as a liturgical dancer in my undergrad so I was at chapel all the time, I even taught at a Catholic school for ten years prior to changing careers.

These two statements are diametric opposites. They can't both be true at the same time. You claim to be a well educated Catholic yet you come up with a sadistic zinger that is as ignorant as a Jack Chick follower. (B) does not justify (A) You should practice this gospel of yours and stop punishing Catholics with such self righteousness bigotry. Bible Christian sadism is not the gospel.

What happened to you? Did you fall in love with a Protestant? How old were you when you turned your back on the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist???

If you refuse to give me the gospel wording of your church, then (A) is a lie.
Lies and sadism in the name of Jesus. That describes extreme anti-Catholic bigots to a "T".
Your first mistake is lying.
Your second mistake is running.

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[epostle]

Catholic Soteriology:

The Catholic Church teaches that good works done after regeneration (at baptism) and justification are (if certain conditions are met) meritorious and can contribute to salvation and attainment of eternal life, but only hand-in-hand with, soaked in, enabled by, grace, which alone saves us. Catholics believe in sola gratia.

It’s a faith that is not separated from works (per James). Faith inherently includes these works. But we’re not saved by faith alone (that’s where Protestantism errs); we’re saved by grace alone. We may describe Catholic soteriology as follows:

By the grace of God, we are saved through our faith; this faith entails by its very nature, good works, always enabled by prior grace, without which this faith is dead.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/is-grace-alone-sola-gratia-also-catholic-teaching


Mostly not biblical.
Works do not prove salvation and never will.
One can be saved and have no works.
James was not teaching about eternal justification he was teaching on justification before men

I see no question?

It was more of a polite request than a question:
I suggest you tell me the precise gospel wording that your church accepts as the gospel, and I will see if I can find the same meaning in the Eucharistic Liturgy that is proclaimed at every Mass.

I didn't ask for a lecture on the Protestant misunderstandings of Catholic soteriology, I asked for the precise wording of what you or your church says is the gospel. Its a simple polite request. You say the gospel is not in the CC but refuse to prove it with your own church's gospel. That's dishonest. You want to run me all over the map to avoid the obvious. You won't give me the wording because you know I can find YOUR GOSPEL meaning in the Liturgy you claim to know. I was trying to be nice but no, you want to play hardball.

(A) Did not hear the gospel once in twenty years of religious education in elementary school, high school or during church.

(B) Spent many years as a liturgical dancer in my undergrad so I was at chapel all the time, I even taught at a Catholic school for ten years prior to changing careers.

These two statements are diametric opposites. They can't both be true at the same time. You claim to be a well educated Catholic yet you come up with a sadistic zinger that is as ignorant as a Jack Chick comic. (B) does not justify (A) You should practice this gospel of yours and stop punishing Catholics with such self righteous bigotry. Bible Christian sadism is not the gospel, it's a sickness.

What happened to you? Did you fall in love with a Protestant? How old were you when you turned your back on the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist???

If you refuse to give me the gospel wording of your church, then (A) is a lie.
Lies and sadism in the name of Jesus. That describes extreme anti-Catholic bigots to a "T".
Your first mistake is lying.
Your second mistake is running.

 

[DudleyDorite]

Link about mother teresa

https://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/hemley-gonzalez-the-truth-about-mother-teresa

Mother teresa collected billions dollar but the hospital she operate is poor and danger, they wash syringe with tsb water, where all the money Go?

http://imgur.com/a/hl3yy

MOTHER teresa wrote a letter to judge Ito asking his liniency for her friend Charles Keating because he help million dollar to mother teresa

But the persecutor wrote back to mother teresa that the money he give to her was stealing 250 millions

From thausand of old and poor man.

So you go to an Atheist website to discover truth. Brilliant!

I can dig dirt on Protestants too from several Atheist sites, and they make the Protestant's look worse that the Catholics! I don't have to go to an Atheist website to did dirt on Protestants, they do it on their own. It's not difficult to do when you have people like Benny Hinn, Larry Hutch, Paula White, the Copelands, Rick Warren, Mike Murdock, John MacArthur, Pat Robertson, Peter Popoff, Marcus Lamb, Jimmy Swaggart, Maurice Cerullo, Jesse Duplantis, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, Do Piper, Rod Parsley, Andrew Wommack, John Hagee, Joseph Prince....Which of these are your mentors?

 

[DudleyDorite]

Sorry but scripture shows that James was the leader among the apostles at Jerusalem.

Rome resorts to extra biblical writing to lay claim to Peter being the first pope. This of course is complete rubbish and has not one ounce of truth in it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Is that why Peter was crucified upside down in Rome and why Irenaeus mentions that Peter and Paul founded the Church in Rome.

 

[DudleyDorite]

Seem to me you believe pope is Christ representative oN earth, It state seversl time in your post

So pope innocent who say that AS a pope he judge all but judge not by all is inline with catholic teaching

Represent Christ mean represent King of king

Mean rule all King oN earth.

Why you Deny when I say pope desire to rule the world?

Pope innocent statement strongly indicate the direction.

I don't know why epostle continues to deal with your balony. You're full of slander and lies and can't get simple things right.

We all represent Christ here on earth and the pope is powerless to rule the earth. You are a typical, misled, defamatory professed Christian.

 

[Jackson123]

So you go to an Atheist website to discover truth. Brilliant!

I can dig dirt on Protestants too from several Atheist sites, and they make the Protestant's look worse that the Catholics! I don't have to go to an Atheist website to did dirt on Protestants, they do it on their own. It's not difficult to do when you have people like Benny Hinn, Larry Hutch, Paula White, the Copelands, Rick Warren, Mike Murdock, John MacArthur, Pat Robertson, Peter Popoff, Marcus Lamb, Jimmy Swaggart, Maurice Cerullo, Jesse Duplantis, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, Do Piper, Rod Parsley, Andrew Wommack, John Hagee, Joseph Prince....Which of these are your mentors?

I go to school in Indonesia most of my teacher was islam. I learn how to write, about geografi etc from islam teacher, they told me Washington is us capital city. They not Lie.

Atheist, or islam not always Lie. If I learn about salvation I am not learn from them.

About mother teresa, a Lot of article you can read, one day I read the testimony of her ex helper, catholic non from usa, she told similar story, from usa alone every week they collected average 50 million a week.

One of the patient crying in pain asking for pain killer, she Said when you in pain mean Jesus kissing you.

The patient replied, ask your Jesus stop kissing me.
She went to good hospital in new York for her heart treatment. Why? She didn't like Jesus kiss her?

 

[Jackson123]

I don't know why epostle continues to deal with your balony. You're full of slander and lies and can't get simple things right.

We all represent Christ here on earth and the pope is powerless to rule the earth. You are a typical, misled, defamatory professed Christian.

Please proof I am Lie. I proof catholic Lie about Peter first pope from act

Read act 25 to 28 you Will see that Paul is the first Christian leader in rome.

We represent Christ oN preaching the gospel, but Pope innocent Said he judge all, he represent Christ above kings and nations

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Who am I and of what lineage that I should take my place above kings? For to me it is said in the prophets, ‘I have this day set thee over nations and over the kingdoms, to root out and pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build and to plant.’ To me it is said in the apostles, ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.’ The successor of St. Peter is the Vicar of Christ; he has been established as mediator between God and man, below God but beyond man; less than God but more than man; who shall judge all and be judged by no one.

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Hope you see the different. To me that statement above strongly indication of political ambition to rule all nations. In the news, a bishop in nicaragua involve in coup attemp. Look that statement above.

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Set the over nations ................to throw Down/ coup

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May be that bishop instructed by big boss, who know. Look fit with statement above.

 

[garee]

OFFICE OF POPE IN THE BIBLE
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Isa. 22: 19 I will thrust you from your office, and you will be pulled down from your station.

Shebna is described as having an "office" and a "station." An office, in order for it to be an office, has successors. In order for an earthly kingdom to last, a succession of representatives is required.

This was the case in the Old Covenant kingdom, and it is the case in the New Covenant kingdom which fulfills the Old Covenant. Jesus our King is in heaven, but He has appointed a chief steward over His household with a plan for a succession of representatives.

Isa.22:20 In that day I will call my servant Eli'akim the son of Hilki'ah,

Isa. 22:20 - in the old Davidic kingdom, Eliakim succeeds Shebna as the chief steward of the household of God. The kingdom employs a mechanism of dynastic succession. King David was dead for centuries, but his kingdom is preserved through a succession of representatives.

Isa.22:21 and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your girdle on him, and will commit your authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah.

Isa. 22:21 - Eliakim is called “father” or “papa” of God's people. The word Pope used by Catholics to describe the chief steward of the earthly kingdom simply means papa or father in Italian. This is why Catholics call the leader of the Church "Pope." The Pope is the father of God's people, the chief steward of the earthly kingdom and Christ's representative on earth.

Isa.22:22 And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Isa. 22:22 - we see that the keys of the kingdom pass from Shebna to Eliakim. Thus, the keys are used not only as a symbol of authority, but also to facilitate succession. The keys of Christ's kingdom have passed from Peter to Linus all the way to our current Pope with an unbroken lineage for almost 2,000 years.

23: And I will fasten him like a peg in a sure place, and he will become a throne of honor to his father's house.

Rev. 1:18; 3:7; 9:1; 20:1 - Jesus' "keys" undeniably represent authority. By using the word "keys," Jesus gives Peter authority on earth over the new Davidic kingdom, and this was not seriously questioned by anyone until the Protestant reformation 1,500 years later after Peter’s investiture.

Revelation 3:7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: `The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens.

Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matt. 16:19 - whatever Peter binds or looses on earth is bound or loosed in heaven / when the Prime Minister to the King opens, no one shuts. This "binding and loosing" authority allows the keeper of the keys to establish "halakah," or rules of conduct for the members of the kingdom he serves.

Jer. 33:17 For thus saith the Lord: There shall not be cut off from David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel.

Jeremiah prophesies that David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the earthly House of Israel. Either this is a false prophecy, or David has a successor of representativ to the two diernt teaching masters es throughout history.

Dan. 2:44 But in the days of those kingdoms the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, and his kingdom shall not be delivered up to another people, and it shall break in pieces, and shall consume all these kingdoms, and itself shall stand for ever.

Daniel prophesies an earthly kingdom that will never be destroyed. Either this is a false prophecy, or the earthly kingdom requires succession.

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You are simply sweeping the subject of the two different teaching masters under the rug.

One the things of God not seen (sola scriptura) and two the things of men seen (the oral traditions of the fathers as a law of the fathers ) .

The kingdom of God that is not of this world has nothing to do with queens ruling over men . That the same principle the Pharisees with Sadducees chased after called walking by sight(no faith)

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence .John 18:36

Simply another attempt at making God's word (sola scriptura) without effect.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye

If the kingdom of God was of this world then as during the 15th century reformation they should of never stopped following after the law of the fathers as a carbon copy of the Pharisees with Sadducees. Two sects like the Roman Catholics and the Greek Orthodox that put aside there differences to murder, torture the misperceived competition that joined forces , receiving letters from the Pope as to His personal approval .They thought because they refused to hear God through His word that out of sight out of mind was protecting God .But it turned out to be a false zeal .

A carbon copy of Saul before he learned what it means to walk by faith and not by sight in Acts 22 below.

Note.... (purple in parenthesis) my added comment to expose the lies of men who venerate a form of worship, other men above that which is written (sola scriptura)

I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, (oral traditions of men called apostolic succession) and was (falsely) zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way(Christians) unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. As also the high priest (Pope) doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters (from the Pope) unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.Acts22:3-5

The question is seeing we cannot serve two masters .Do we as a must need men "seen" to teach us in whom we must abide in as they teach? Or is the Holy Spirit not seen, capable of fulfilling His teaching ministry to teach, guide comfort us and bring all things to our mind as the things he has taught us And therefore we abide in Him not seen

Things of men seen (walking by sight) or the things of God not seen (walking by faith)?

Which master will you serve today ?

 

[notuptome]

Is that why Peter was crucified upside down in Rome and why Irenaeus mentions that Peter and Paul founded the Church in Rome.

Is that supposed to discount what scripture clearly states? James was the leader of the church at Jerusalem. A church that was predominantly Jewish people who converted to Christ receiving Christ as Messiah Savior. You have confused the writing of men with the writings of God. You are steeped in the apostasy of Rome and can no longer distinguish scripture from the teachings of man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DudleyDorite]

Is that supposed to discount what scripture clearly states? James was the leader of the church at Jerusalem. A church that was predominantly Jewish people who converted to Christ receiving Christ as Messiah Savior. You have confused the writing of men with the writings of God. You are steeped in the apostasy of Rome and can no longer distinguish scripture from the teachings of man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Your badmouthing does nothing for you other than show your arrogance.

 

[DudleyDorite]

Please proof I am Lie. I proof catholic Lie about Peter first pope from act

Read act 25 to 28 you Will see that Paul is the first Christian leader in rome.

We represent Christ oN preaching the gospel, but Pope innocent Said he judge all, he represent Christ above kings and nations

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Who am I and of what lineage that I should take my place above kings? For to me it is said in the prophets, ‘I have this day set thee over nations and over the kingdoms, to root out and pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build and to plant.’ To me it is said in the apostles, ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.’ The successor of St. Peter is the Vicar of Christ; he has been established as mediator between God and man, below God but beyond man; less than God but more than man; who shall judge all and be judged by no one.

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Hope you see the different. To me that statement above strongly indication of political ambition to rule all nations. In the news, a bishop in nicaragua involve in coup attemp. Look that statement above.

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Set the over nations ................to throw Down/ coup

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May be that bishop instructed by big boss, who know. Look fit with statement above.

Go back to you're Atheist website, you seem to be learning more from them than you do the bible.

 

[notuptome]

Your badmouthing does nothing for you other than show your arrogance.

You simply do not know the truth and you cannot stand to hear the truth.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Those who defile innocent children and preach a bloodless gospel do not glorify God. They deny God and invite His terrible wrath.

Psalm 1:1 ¶ Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

DudleyDorite said: Is that why Peter was crucified upside down in Rome and why Irenaeus mentions that Peter and Paul founded the Church in Rome.

Is Christ as a Spirit divided? was Peter crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Peter?

1 Corinthians 1:13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

You need to get over the Peter thingy and focus on Christ not seen. It would be better to rejoice that he used Peter as don't do as Pater does rather than venerated him as a form of worship.

When Peter got his eyes off of Christ he started one of the oral tradition of the fathers (rumors I heard it through the grape vine as lies) making what Christ really said to no effect.

Mark 7:13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

I would suppose if every time Christ put to rest a lying oral tradition of sinners the whole world would not be able to contain the volumes that could of been written

One example (Mathew 16:22-23) is enough for myself. How many for you ?

This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me. Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.John 21: 19-25

Which teaching master will you serve today? That of God not seen(the faith principle) or those of men seen(the walking by sight principle)?

 

[garee]

Your badmouthing does nothing for you other than show your arrogance.

Sola scriptura as that which we defend because it as the sword of the spirit protects us (all things written in the law and the prophets) is badmouthing?

It would appear that serving the things of men making the things of God to no effect would be the true bad mouthing.

You need to get over the Peter thingy and serve Christ not seen.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

One teaching master. No man can serve two

 

[epostle]

Sola scriptura as that which we defend because it as the sword of the spirit protects us (all things written in the law and the prophets) is badmouthing?

It would appear that serving the things of men making the things of God to no effect would be the true bad mouthing.

You need to get over the Peter thingy and serve Christ not seen.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

One teaching master. No man can serve two

You deny the Kingship of Christ by equating kingship with dictatorship. You are forced to deny half the New Testament because Jesus established a hierarchical, infallible, indestructible supernatural Church, not a book club. Your anti-authority, anti-institutional mentality is an insult to Jesus who builds the Church. The Church Jesus builds is built on Peter, Peter doesn't build the Church by himself, which is another straw man fallacy made by ignorant anti-Catholics. Your reply to my post "Office of the Pope in the Bible" had nothing to do with it. Instead, you throw in "sola scriptura" as a rebuttal, a man made tradition that can't be found anywhere in the bible. Then you try to discredit the authority Jesus gave to Peter with the standard misinterpretation of one verse.
Your insult to Jesus is claiming He builds junk. Your second insult is claiming the gates of Hades prevailed against the Church Jesus builds on human beings, which is the same as calling Jesus a liar. You make up a phony cardboard caricature, a cartoon of a church that does not exist, then you ridicule it. You have a one way ticket to my ignore bin because I have learned not to waste time with religious thugs suffering from a bad case of blind prejudice.

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[epostle]

So you go to an Atheist website to discover truth. Brilliant!

I can dig dirt on Protestants too from several Atheist sites, and they make the Protestant's look worse that the Catholics! I don't have to go to an Atheist website to did dirt on Protestants, they do it on their own. It's not difficult to do when you have people like Benny Hinn, Larry Hutch, Paula White, the Copelands, Rick Warren, Mike Murdock, John MacArthur, Pat Robertson, Peter Popoff, Marcus Lamb, Jimmy Swaggart, Maurice Cerullo, Jesse Duplantis, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, Do Piper, Rod Parsley, Andrew Wommack, John Hagee, Joseph Prince....Which of these are your mentors?

Excellent post. I would add Matt Slick to the list, the Grandmaster of the Church of False Dichotomies.
And James White, Olympic gold medalist in the Bigot Competition. I am just waiting for the right time to post this:
http://jimmyakin.com/2007/08/james-white-has.html

 

[Dino246]

... And James White, Olympic gold medalist in the Bigot Competition. I am just waiting for the right time to post this:
http://jimmyakin.com/2007/08/james-white-has.html

Get some stones and quote the man directly. It is cowardly to quote a secondary (and highly critical) source as representative of what Dr. White has said or written.

 

[UnderGrace]

Get some stones and quote the man directly. It is cowardly to quote a secondary (and highly critical) source as representative of what Dr. White has said or written.

Two grown men with nothing better to do with their time but sling mud at each other and rally their followers.

He did post hose pictures, here is the link,
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/2007/08/09/charitable-accusations-of-dishonesty-and-doctoring/

 

[notuptome]

You deny the Kingship of Christ by equating kingship with dictatorship. You are forced to deny half the New Testament because Jesus established a hierarchical, infallible, indestructible supernatural Church, not a book club. Your anti-authority, anti-institutional mentality is an insult to Jesus who builds the Church. The Church Jesus builds is built on Peter, Peter doesn't build the Church by himself, which is another straw man fallacy made by ignorant anti-Catholics. Your reply to my post "Office of the Pope in the Bible" had nothing to do with it. Instead, you throw in "sola scriptura" as a rebuttal, a man made tradition that can't be found anywhere in the bible. Then you try to discredit the authority Jesus gave to Peter with the standard misinterpretation of one verse.
Your insult to Jesus is claiming He builds junk. Your second insult is claiming the gates of Hades prevailed against the Church Jesus builds on human beings, which is the same as calling Jesus a liar. You make up a phony cardboard caricature, a cartoon of a church that does not exist, then you ridicule it. You have a one way ticket to my ignore bin because I have learned not to waste time with religious thugs suffering from a bad case of blind prejudice.

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While it is true that the Roman Catholic church claims to be founded on Peter any church founded on a fallible man is doomed to fail. Christ is the foundation of the Living church that is the bride of Christ. Comprised of living stones who are the saints of God. Born again Christians are the body of Christ.

Rome's use of proof texts proves the pretext not supported by the context. Christs church is built on Christ the Rock that cannot be moved the chief cornerstone rejected by the builders.

Sorry Rome you are wrong as usual.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[epostle]

Two grown men with nothing better to do with their time but sling mud at each other and rally their followers.

He did post hose pictures, here is the link,
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/2007/08/09/charitable-accusations-of-dishonesty-and-doctoring/

Polemics, excuses, denials, special pleading and I am somewhat familiar with Dr. Beckwith.
I am still waiting for that precise wording of the gospel of YOUR church so I can show you in the Eucharistic liturgy where it is that you claim you never heard for 20 years but taught it. That's a venomous attack unbecoming of a person claiming to be a Christian, as well as a bald faced lie.
I will never get what I asked for because you are too proud to admit you made a mistake.
So I am raising the stakes.
Give me the name of your church/group/bless-me-club so I know something of where you stand.
If not, will have to guess and put up with your complaining of how wrong I am. Here is my "guess" list.
Jehovas' Witnesses
Seventh Day Adventism
Christadelphians
Paranoid fundamentalism
(you may smirk at this point, but they all scourge with the same whip as you)
last but not least, James White, a polemical wind bag.

I will be be reminding you that you got caught in a lie, (never heard the gospel for 20 years) a vicious, sadistic, uncalled for attack against my spiritual family. My guess is you learned that taurus excretum from the King of Protestant Bigots.