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If it is not good for salvation then do not use it to defend your stupid point which too is not good for salvation. As for QUEEN OF HEAVEN, I forgot only the Broads from your denomination are worthy of Amen's , thumbs up, crowns , thrones, scepters to guide in prayer and to salvation . PLEASE, you hypocrite!
It is only through the ONE TRUE Faith that the idiot Luciferian even knows his name. Lucifer- it means Light Bearer as the Hebrew scripture calls him Helel to the Greek Ἑωσφόρος (heōsphoros) Lucifer is another name for satan . It is sad that the Luciferians know more about this than you. It is simple Just like Yeshua means Jesus yet sounds like a different name it is still the same name just pronounced different in different languages. This too with Lucifer. Get over yourself! Just like in Spanish Jesus pronounced like "hay-SOOS". Same name. Lucifer is actually of the Latin- which is the cross over during the Greco-Roman era .The translators of this version took the word from the Latin Vulgate, which translated the Hebrew( HELEl )הֵילֵל by the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized), meaning "the light-bearer morning star, concerning the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".
NO CIVILITY FOR HERESY. YOU HYPOCRITE! You give a thumbs up when you or one of your sect condemns entire Christian groups throughout history as going to hell , but cannot handle it when you are given a taste of your cup. What you sow you shall reap. What you preach in falsehood your owns words and tactics will be used against you.
No such thing as a "Lucifer", it's a made up word from Jerome's Vulgate.
(Isa 14:12 KJV) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (heylel), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
No such thing as a "lucifer" - the reference to satan is bogus and a Christian Mythstake that needs to be thrown out.
Adam Clarke's commentary
"Verse 12.
O Lucifer, son of the morning
The Versions in general agree in this translation, and render heilel as signifying Lucifer, the morning star, whether Jupiter or Venus; as these are both bringers of the morning light, or morning stars,annually in their turn.
And although the context speaks explicitly concerning Nebuchadnezzar, yet this has been, I know not why, applied to the chief of the fallen angels, who is most incongruously denominated Lucifer, (the bringer of light!) an epithet as common to him as those of Satan and Devil. That the Holy Spirit by his prophets should call this arch-enemy of God and man the light-bringer, would be strange indeed.
But the truth is, the text speaks nothing at all concerning Satan nor his fall, nor the occasion of that fall, which many divines have with great confidence deduced from this text.
O how necessary it is to understand the literal meaning of Scripture,that preposterous comments may be prevented! Besides, I doubt much whether our translation be correct. heilel, which we translate Lucifer, comes from yalal, yell, howl, or shriek, and should be translated, "Howl, son of the morning;" and so the Syriachas understood it; and for this meaning Michaelis contends: see his reasons in Parkhurst, under halal.
Verse13.
I will ascend into heaven
I will get the empire of the whole world. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God-above the Israelites, who are here termed the stars of God.
Se the Targum of Jonathan, and R. D. Kimchi. This chapter speaks not of the ambition and fall of Satan, but of the pride, arrogance, and fall of Nebuchadnezzar."
(Isa 14:12 KJV) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (heylel), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
No such thing as a "lucifer" - the reference to satan is bogus and a Christian Mythstake that needs to be thrown out.
Adam Clarke's commentary
"Verse 12.
O Lucifer, son of the morning
The Versions in general agree in this translation, and render heilel as signifying Lucifer, the morning star, whether Jupiter or Venus; as these are both bringers of the morning light, or morning stars,annually in their turn.
And although the context speaks explicitly concerning Nebuchadnezzar, yet this has been, I know not why, applied to the chief of the fallen angels, who is most incongruously denominated Lucifer, (the bringer of light!) an epithet as common to him as those of Satan and Devil. That the Holy Spirit by his prophets should call this arch-enemy of God and man the light-bringer, would be strange indeed.
But the truth is, the text speaks nothing at all concerning Satan nor his fall, nor the occasion of that fall, which many divines have with great confidence deduced from this text.
O how necessary it is to understand the literal meaning of Scripture,that preposterous comments may be prevented! Besides, I doubt much whether our translation be correct. heilel, which we translate Lucifer, comes from yalal, yell, howl, or shriek, and should be translated, "Howl, son of the morning;" and so the Syriachas understood it; and for this meaning Michaelis contends: see his reasons in Parkhurst, under halal.
Verse13.
I will ascend into heaven
I will get the empire of the whole world. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God-above the Israelites, who are here termed the stars of God.
Se the Targum of Jonathan, and R. D. Kimchi. This chapter speaks not of the ambition and fall of Satan, but of the pride, arrogance, and fall of Nebuchadnezzar."
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Roman Catholics can get to heaven very easily - by believing and putting their trust in Christ. Not every catholic is just about Mary. I am pretty sure many catholics will be in heaven, they were members of the RCC, but relied on Christ.
And I am pretty sure many protestants will not be in heaven. They were members of a protestant church but did not rely on Christ.
And I am pretty sure many protestants will not be in heaven. They were members of a protestant church but did not rely on Christ.
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Actually, the doctrine of Thelema is more accurately represented in the concept of free will. Both free will and Thelema are doctrines of autonomy (which means self-governance). In free will the autonomy concerns most types of decisions we make, and in Thelema the autonomy is in regards to morality. Both essentially teach the same things, that the self is the one in the drivers seat. These are the doctrines of lawlessness.
In contrast, God is Sovereign and in control at all times. Everything in the Creation serves him and there is nothing outside of his sphere of control because he is omnipotent and omniscient.
Colossians 1:15-17
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
All things means all things. Every single thing.
In contrast, God is Sovereign and in control at all times. Everything in the Creation serves him and there is nothing outside of his sphere of control because he is omnipotent and omniscient.
Colossians 1:15-17
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
All things means all things. Every single thing.
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Romans 8:38-39
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 10:28-30
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
Nothing can separate us from God. That includes ourselves.
I will never ceased to be amazed at how many Christians would rather trust in their own abilities to follow and obey rather then trust in the mercy and kindness of God.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 10:28-30
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
Nothing can separate us from God. That includes ourselves.
I will never ceased to be amazed at how many Christians would rather trust in their own abilities to follow and obey rather then trust in the mercy and kindness of God.
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The verb הלל (halal I) denotes what lamps and celestial bodies do: shine, emit light (Job 31:26, Isaiah 13:10). This verb occurs a mere five or six times in the Bible, but it exists in cognate languages with similar meanings. In Job 41:10 this verb is employed to state how the sneezes of Leviathan "flash forth light". Equally enigmatic is a statement made by the prophet Isaiah, "How you have fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of dawn" (HERE IT DENOTES NAME) and is What Lucifer means . Lucifer is latin (Isaiah 14:12). The noun translated with "shining one" is הילל (helel) and was derived from our root halal. BDB lists this word as an appellation, an epithet, but HAW interprets it as the proper name Helel.
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The verb הלל (halal I) denotes what lamps and celestial bodies do: shine, emit light (Job 31:26, Isaiah 13:10). This verb occurs a mere five or six times in the Bible, but it exists in cognate languages with similar meanings. In Job 41:10 this verb is employed to state how the sneezes of Leviathan "flash forth light". Equally enigmatic is a statement made by the prophet Isaiah, "How you have fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of dawn" (HERE IT DENOTES NAME) and is What Lucifer means . Lucifer is latin (Isaiah 14:12). The noun translated with "shining one" is הילל (helel) and was derived from our root halal. BDB lists this word as an appellation, an epithet, but HAW interprets it as the proper name Helel.
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Are these Scriptures ridiculous and illogical?
Romans 9:14-24
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
As far as what you said about "knowledge of the future does not mean controlling the future", i don't understand what your implying. Does God have knowledge of the future but does not control it? Then he is not omnipotent because you are saying that there are forces outside of his sphere of control.
Can you show Scripture to back up your position?
Romans 9:14-24
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
As far as what you said about "knowledge of the future does not mean controlling the future", i don't understand what your implying. Does God have knowledge of the future but does not control it? Then he is not omnipotent because you are saying that there are forces outside of his sphere of control.
Can you show Scripture to back up your position?