What is Hebrew Roots?

[Dino246]

As I knew would happen, the posts are mostly about that we should not believe scripture and how people who believe it are terrible. Anti God people say if you study and understand the rituals told of in the OT, then it means that you must follow them!! What malarkey. Hebrew Roots believe in scripture and we are instructed about rituals m in scripture. Hebrew Roots believe in the law as a good thing as we are told in psalms 119. So here comes the anti God crowd telling that they believe in salvation by law following. They believe in what scripture tells them about the Hebrew, so the anti God crowd accuses them of not knowing God as a God of the gentiles and Jews.

I have news for these anti scripture people, God will win and scripture tells us about it.

Malarkey indeed; you have employed the ad hominem fallacy. Decrying and demonizing those who disagree with you is a long way from sound argumentation.

Paul's letter to the Galatians is clear: the Law adds nothing to the grace of God found in Jesus Christ. In fact, attempts to follow the Law draw the believer away from God's grace.

 

[Shamah]

Malarkey indeed; you have employed the ad hominem fallacy. Decrying and demonizing those who disagree with you is a long way from sound argumentation.

Paul's letter to the Galatians is clear: the Law adds nothing to the grace of God found in Jesus Christ. In fact, attempts to follow the Law draw the believer away from God's grace.

Well you are doing the same because you are misrepresenting what Paul said, Paul said "be justified by Law" not follow.

The people of the Most High do indeed keep His Law:

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

 

[7seasrekeyed]

As I knew would happen, the posts are mostly about that we should not believe scripture and how people who believe it are terrible. Anti God people say if you study and understand the rituals told of in the OT, then it means that you must follow them!! What malarkey. Hebrew Roots believe in scripture and we are instructed about rituals m in scripture. Hebrew Roots believe in the law as a good thing as we are told in psalms 119. So here comes the anti God crowd telling that they believe in salvation by law following. They believe in what scripture tells them about the Hebrew, so the anti God crowd accuses them of not knowing God as a God of the gentiles and Jews.

I have news for these anti scripture people, God will win and scripture tells us about it.

I would not even know where to begin to salvage something from your post

the best I can do, is to tell you that you just have no clue about what has been posted, no clue about Hebrew Roots and all the confusion and various shootoffs of it and no clue about how to defend your position without calling names

calling people who try to point out the many errors of Hebrew Roots, which you are quite in the dark about, the anti-God crowd, demonstrates you do not understand what the prefix 'anti' means

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As I knew would happen, the posts are mostly about that we should not believe scripture and how people who believe it are terrible. Anti God people say if you study and understand the rituals told of in the OT, then it means that you must follow them!! What malarkey. Hebrew Roots believe in scripture and we are instructed about rituals m in scripture. Hebrew Roots believe in the law as a good thing as we are told in psalms 119. So here comes the anti God crowd telling that they believe in salvation by law following. They believe in what scripture tells them about the Hebrew, so the anti God crowd accuses them of not knowing God as a God of the gentiles and Jews.

I have news for these anti scripture people, God will win and scripture tells us about it.

Please. Show us where people have said this, Like most, you use a false pretense to support your view. I have studied the law and rituals of the OT. Does that make me hebrew roots? Tjat is not the problem and you know it. So please. If yur going to have a conversation, at least back it with facts

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well you are doing the same because you are misrepresenting what Paul said, Paul said "be justified by Law" not follow.

The people of the Most High do indeed keep His Law:

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

And here you have the spokesman for hebrew roots. If you want to know what it looks like, this is it

Yet as usual, he denies what he believes.

 

[Dino246]

Well you are doing the same because you are misrepresenting what Paul said, Paul said "be justified by Law" not follow.

I am not employing an ad hominem argument, so you are incorrect on that.

Paul was clearly talking about "being justified by Law"... by following Law, so you are incorrect on that as well.

 

[Blik]

This post is about as confused and confusing as anything ever posted.

So do you believe that Hebrew Roots nonsense is for the Church or do you not?

And who exactly are you calling "anti-God"? Those who reject Hebrew Roots or those who promote this?

I call anything that is against scripture anti God. So often people will post scripture from the OT and these people will object to it. As an example if posting is for law obedience, they twist this to saying it is telling God to give salvation based on obedience.

The true church is made up of people who love and follow God. Those who believe, study, and love scripture are often labeled as Hebrew Roots because of this and those are members of the church.

 

[Shamah]

I am not employing an ad hominem argument, so you are incorrect on that.

Paul was clearly talking about "being justified by Law"... by following Law, so you are incorrect on that as well.

Well if simply following the Commands makes one fallen.... I think all the Apostles are in trouble, and Paul is too:

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."



Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"



Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."



Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."



Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."



1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"



Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

 

[Dino246]

I call anything that is against scripture anti God. So often people will post scripture from the OT and these people will object to it. As an example if posting is for law obedience, they twist this to saying it is telling God to give salvation based on obedience.

The true church is made up of people who love and follow God. Those who believe, study, and love scripture are often labeled as Hebrew Roots because of this and those are members of the church.

Re: the bolded... this is misleading. The true Church is made up of those who have put their faith in Jesus Christ and His finished work for the forgiveness of sin. It is these who are empowered by the Holy Spirit to love God and follow Him.

 

[Dino246]

Well if simply following the Commands makes one fallen.... I think all the Apostles are in trouble, and Paul is too:

Perhaps you'd like to respond to what I wrote, rather than to strawman misinterpretation of it.

 

[Shamah]

I am not employing an ad hominem argument, so you are incorrect on that.

Paul was clearly talking about "being justified by Law"... by following Law, so you are incorrect on that as well.

Maybe I misunderstood you?

Here, do you believe that any form of following the Law is "justified by works?"

 

[Dino246]

Maybe I misunderstood you?

Here, do you believe that any form of following the Law is "justified by works?"

I think you may have a grammatical error in your question. Do you mean, "Do you believe that any form of following the Law is justified by works?" Or do you mean, "Do you believe that any form of following the Law is justification by works?"

To the first, no; that doesn't make sense. To the second, yes. We are justified by faith, not by works. We are sanctified by faith, not by works. Paul explains this clearly in Galatians 3. In verse 12, he writes, "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Law." Well, either you are abiding by everything in the Law (which is absolutely impossible today) or you are failing completely to abide.

There is no middle ground. Everything that is not of faith is sin.

 

[Shamah]

I think you may have a grammatical error in your question. Do you mean, "Do you believe that any form of following the Law is justified by works?" Or do you mean, "Do you believe that any form of following the Law is justification by works?"

To the first, no; that doesn't make sense. To the second, yes. We are justified by faith, not by works. We are sanctified by faith, not by works. Paul explains this clearly in Galatians 3. In verse 12, he writes, "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Law." Well, either you are abiding by everything in the Law (which is absolutely impossible today) or you are failing completely to abide.

There is no middle ground. Everything that is not of faith is sin.

You know what I was asking...

If someone reads the 10 Commandments and beleives they should be followed because they believe the Creator wants them to, is that "justification by works?"

 

[Dino246]

You know what I was asking...

If someone reads the 10 Commandments and beleives they should be followed because they believe the Creator wants them to, is that "justification by works?"

"Believes that they should be followed"? No; that is not following or attempting to follow. If the person believes and attempts to follow them, then yes.

We have no relationship with God by means of following the Law. We have no improved standing, no extra credit, no special arrangement, no favour. It's an all-or-nothing proposition.

Those who are in right relationship with God are there because of faith in the Person and finished work of Jesus Christ. In Him the righteous requirements of the Law are fully satisfied.

The Holy Spirit works in the believer to conform them to Christlikeness. Self-effort (Law-following) does not get them there.

 

[Blik]

Re: the bolded... this is misleading. The true Church is made up of those who have put their faith in Jesus Christ and His finished work for the forgiveness of sin. It is these who are empowered by the Holy Spirit to love God and follow Him.

I don't think you are going to make it with Christ without the Father. You can't accept and follow Christ if you deny the Father, for Christ tells us to go to the Father.

 

[Dino246]

I don't think you are going to make it with Christ without the Father. You can't accept and follow Christ if you deny the Father, for Christ tells us to go to the Father.

"The one who confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:23.

I haven't written anything about denying the Father, so your comment is irrelevant.

 

[Blik]

"The one who confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:23.

I haven't written anything about denying the Father, so your comment is irrelevant.

You tell us that your faith is put in the Son, in Jesus, and you make no mention of the Father. So would it be more accurate of your belief if I said that you are ignoring the Father?

The Father gave us His Son, through that sacrifice we may have salvation that the Father gives us. Is this really your belief and I misunderstood?

 

[gb9]

You tell us that your faith is put in the Son, in Jesus, and you make no mention of the Father. So would it be more accurate of your belief if I said that you are ignoring the Father?

The Father gave us His Son, through that sacrifice we may have salvation that the Father gives us. Is this really your belief and I misunderstood?

the Father said on the mount of transfiguration , in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ), this is My beloved Son. hear Him!.

the Father did not say " here Me through Him" , did not say this.

we are to follow the instructions of the Son, i.e. , the sermon on the mount, and all the words in red. these, in obedience to the Father, are what we are to obey as Christ followers.

 

[Dino246]

You tell us that your faith is put in the Son, in Jesus, and you make no mention of the Father. So would it be more accurate of your belief if I said that you are ignoring the Father?

The Father gave us His Son, through that sacrifice we may have salvation that the Father gives us. Is this really your belief and I misunderstood?

I don't see how you can come anywhere near such a conclusion after I quoted 1 John 2:23.

 

[Blik]

the Father said on the mount of transfiguration , in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ), this is My beloved Son. hear Him!.

the Father did not say " here Me through Him" , did not say this.

we are to follow the instructions of the Son, i.e. , the sermon on the mount, and all the words in red. these, in obedience to the Father, are what we are to obey as Christ followers.

If you tell someone that you are proud of your son so listen to him, would you expect that person you are speaking to never to listen to anyone else? God the Father did not tell us to listen to Christ because He is superior to Me.

We have inherited such teachings from early Christian Fathers who knew idol worshippers but discounted what the Jewish Christian Fathers taught. If we study idols as they had it was routine for a son to get rid of the Father because he was old and obsolete. So they taught the same as applied to our Son and Father. Our God is not an idol, God is love and spirit.

By hearing this and listening with your new covenant understanding of God, you would know that you are to listen to all scripture including Christ.

We are told about Christ in the OT and the NT. Christ was given authority by His Father, but there is no where that we can find that the Son God gave us is to be held as superior to the Father.

It was the Father who raised the Son from the grave, not the Son raising himself. In the Lord's prayer we are to pray to the Father. Christ never instructed us to pray to Him. We can use Christ to intercede for us to the Father. Christ has great power given to Him by the Father, but Christ was not made superior to the Father.