The Abomination of Desolation

[eternally-gratefull]

He was referring to the eternal temple not seen. Which is Christ in us, the living hope of the coming glory

In the new restored order which has taken place because the time of reformation has come. That which was used outwardly as a shadow for a temporal time period has disappeared .

God gave the Jews over to do what they should not of .They refused to hear prophecy but rather did whatsoever their mouths as oral tradition of the fathers desired. They had already in the time of Judges committed the “abomination of desolation” having men seen stand in the holy place of God rather than walking by faith the eternal not seen.

Immediately after Israel lost its place when Christ on the cross said it is finished. the outward Jew in respect to the flesh which was used as a parable for the time present as a shadow. The time of Jacobs trouble began .Men were rushing in to have men in the place of the unseen glory of God, the Holy place. The Pope for one sits there today .Any man that insists we need a man, as that seen, the temporal to teach us they are usurping the unseen glory of God for that of man seen .

God is not a man as us and neither is there any fleshly mediator that stands in the holy (invisible place of God, as the unseen glory)

The church which made up of many lively stone from all the nations of the world used to represent the unseen spiritual house of God is a representative glory having not received our new glorious in corruptible bodies.

The order is restored to our King of kings in heaven. Men walking by faith .The unseen glory as the Holy place is restored to the time of the Judges.

Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, (not called by God) and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. (jealous of the created things seen of this world )But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.1 Samauel 8:1-8

Those elders in 1 Samauel simply violated the warning not to worship and serve the things seen more than the Creator not seen who sits in the Holy place, the heavens .

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (as that seen) more than the Creator(not seen) , who is blessed for ever. Amen.Roman 1:25

How do you come up with this interpretation?

Can the world see an unclean thing staning in your soul?
Can that unclean thing stop sacrifice and offering in the holy placeCan that warning of them seeing it in your soul cause them to remember the words of Jesus and his warning to flee to the mountains (those in jerusalem)?

There is no basis for this thinking of allegorical interpretation of this prophesy

 

[garee]

As church is described as "mountain of the Lord, house of the Lord above hills" etc, I think there is no problem that the brotherly love between Christians is described as "swords into plowshares" etc.

Amen we walk by faith and not by sight. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood and neither are we as new creatures known by it. Flesh and blood the temporal will not because it cannot enter the new heavens and earth.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[ComeLordJesus]

There is a thread in here where there is stuff posted about the current wall. And what many think concerning landmarks. Can’t remember the name.

Found this bit of information:

In 1546, an earthquake devastated the region and damaged the Temple Mount and the surrounding area. Suleyman ordered the rubble of homes adjacent to the western wall to be cleared for a prayer site for the Jews. Loewenberg notes the area was previously unknown to the Jews. Suleyman issued a firman (decree) that Jews had the right to pray there for all times. This decree remained in force and was honored by his successors for more than 400 years.

Very interesting "Loewenberg notes the area was previously unknown to the Jews".

 

[Hevosmies]

As church is described as "mountain of the Lord, house of the Lord above hills" etc, I think there is no problem that the brotherly love between Christians is described as "swords into plowshares" etc.

lol. Churches cant get along for one second. What love is this?

If your church can though, i'll eat my words!

 

[trofimus]

lol. Churches cant get along for one second. What love is this?

If your church can though, i'll eat my words!

Not sure what you mean. Baptists in your city are killing methodists or something like that?

Or do Germans in the Church try to kill Chinese in the Church?

There is peace between nations and between individuals in the true Church.

 

[garee]

Daniel 11:31 and 12:11 KJV describes it as "the abomination that maketh desolate".
You may wish to take the superficial old dogmatic approach without any scriptural support to the abomination that maketh desolate and see it as some sort of idol placed in a stone building; I, however, realize the beast with 10 horns who utterly destroys its victims, while stomping on the residue (Daniel 7:7), is the same as the Northern kingdom who overflows and passes over numerous Middle Eastern nations, including entering the land of Israel (Daniel 11:40-41), as the abomination that maketh desolate.
These are correlations in the Word. Correlations in the Word is how the Jews in Berea who often studied the Word knew what Paul was telling them was the truth, while the dogmatic Jews in Thessalonica with little study in the Word rejected Paul.

Horns used in parables represent the strength of the kingdoms of this world . Ten in multiples to include thousand, as a unknown is used to represent all the kingdoms of the world .

Horns as the strength of the kingdom of God, as trumpets are respect the voice of many waters in respect to the last trump.It is shown in Revelation 11 revealed as a picture of the chaste virgin bride of Christ the church in chapter 12 . It is the end of time the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of God in the new. She is pictured with the Sun and the moon under her feet (the end of time) to represent the new heavenly Jerusalem prepared as Christ wife the church .

Revelation 11:15 through Revelation 12:1 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Its the end of time the twinkling of the eye . The day of the second death for the unbelievers, the same day in the twinkling of the eye the saints receive their reward their new promised incorruptible bodies

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.Revelation 21:22-25

 

[garee]

lol. Churches cant get along for one second. What love is this?

If your church can though, i'll eat my words!

One thing that I have experienced is the misuse of the word heresy.Most likely something that came about because of Catholicism that was passed down from the Pharisees with Sadducees two denominations that put aside their differences to try and make the word of God (sola scriptura) to no effect.

The word heresy literal means sect or denomination, a group of people who share a similar belie .

Because the kingdom or sects as denominations of this world are not the kingdom of God, but will be in the new heavens and earth we walk by faith . Knowing there is no such thing as non denominational, it being a denomination in its own.

Because of that we are informed there must be heresies as differences in opinion. The division because many do walk by sight as if the kingdom of God was of this world would turn the plowshares into swords and kill the misperceived competition as in out of sight out of mind .In that way denominations provide a cushion to soften the blow of evil hands

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there "must" be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Does that mean we cannot evaluate each other and offer another interpretation? I say no. If that was true we could not warn the false teachers as damnable heresies .Which would be those who do despite to the grace of God .

Like that of Catholicism for one . But it does appear there are damnable opinions that make up a sect.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

 

[luigi]

Horns used in parables represent the strength of the kingdoms of this world .

This part I agree with you, as I often see horns in regards to the power of a kingdom.

Ten in multiples to include thousand, as a unknown is used to represent all the kingdoms of the world .

Ten horns however, do not represent the power of all the kingdoms in the world.
If you read Daniel 7, you will see there are four beasts, the first three of which have none of their horns (military powers) mentioned, whereas the fourth beast has its ten horns described.
If you read Daniel 8 you will see a he goat with a notable horn who after defeating Media and Persia (Iraq and Iran), its notable horn is then broken and secedes into four horns (military).
Noting the association with the ten horned beast in Daniel 7, we then see the ten horned beast in Revelation 13 described as having seven heads.
Prior to the he goats notable horn seceding into four horns, the beasts 7 heads would have comprised of seven horns. Upon seceding into four horns, these seven heads to the beast will then comprise ten horns.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This part I agree with you, as I often see horns in regards to the power of a kingdom.

Ten horns however, do not represent the power of all the kingdoms in the world.
If you read Daniel 7, you will see there are four beasts, the first three of which have none of their horns (military powers) mentioned, whereas the fourth beast has its ten horns described.
If you read Daniel 8 you will see a he goat with a notable horn who after defeating Media and Persia (Iraq and Iran), its notable horn is then broken and secedes into four horns (military).
Noting the association with the ten horned beast in Daniel 7, we then see the ten horned beast in Revelation 13 described as having seven heads.
Prior to the he goats notable horn seceding into four horns, the beasts 7 heads would have comprised of seven horns. Upon seceding into four horns, these seven heads to the beast will then comprise ten horns.

Who did the 4 beasts represent?

 

[luigi]

Who did the 4 beasts represent?

The four beasts represent the major four different type socio economic systems of the world today.
These also appear as the four horsemen of the Apocalypse in Revelation 6.
The four different socio economic systems of the world who appear as separate entities in Daniel 7 and Revelation 6, come together and appear as a single entity (a global socio economic system), once the beast with seven heads and 10 horns rises from the sea.

 

[Jackson123]

If the islamic mosque on the place of temple in jerusalem is not abomination, I do not know what is

The mosque had been there for more than thausand years.

I do not think it is what that verse mean.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The four beasts represent the major four different type socio economic systems of the world today.
These also appear as the four horsemen of the Apocalypse in Revelation 6.
The four different socio economic systems of the world who appear as separate entities in Daniel 7 and Revelation 6, come together and appear as a single entity (a global socio economic system), once the beast with seven heads and 10 horns rises from the sea.

WHAT?? Are you saying this just to make fun? Or do you really think this?

Gabriel told Daniel what the 4 beasts represented

Beast 1. Babylon
Beast 2 Media-Persia
Beast 3 Greece
Beast 4 Rome and Rome 2

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The mosque had been there for more than thausand years.

I do not think it is what that verse mean.

What verse bro?

 

[garee]

How do you come up with this interpretation?

Can the world see an unclean thing staning in your soul?
Can that unclean thing stop sacrifice and offering in the holy placeCan that warning of them seeing it in your soul cause them to remember the words of Jesus and his warning to flee to the mountains (those in jerusalem)?

There is no basis for this thinking of allegorical interpretation of this prophesy

I would not look for sign as wonders . there are no direct sign to indicate the end. Scripture informs us it is a evil generation, the generation of natural uncovered man that does walk by sight after the temporal things seen . I wonder when the Spirit of Christ as indicated in Luke 18 does come... will he find faith or no faith Not little but none) in respect to the forward nations

I would offer , No the world who is not given the spiritual understanding of the parables. They cannot see the invisible things a the glory of God . The glory of God is the Holy place. It is seen by the Christians through the eyes of the heart, given to a kingdom of priest as the hidden mana. manna a word that literally means : What is it?

No familiarity with God not seen. He is not a man as us

To the new creature as believers the spiritual understanding of the parables is not concealed. We have the privilege to search them out by faith. Comparing the spiritual unseen understanding to the same .

Proverbs 25:1-3 King James Version (KJV)25 These are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out. It is the glory of God ( the holy place) to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.

 

[Jackson123]

The four beasts represent the major four different type socio economic systems of the world today.
These also appear as the four horsemen of the Apocalypse in Revelation 6.
The four different socio economic systems of the world who appear as separate entities in Daniel 7 and Revelation 6, come together and appear as a single entity (a global socio economic system), once the beast with seven heads and 10 horns rises from the sea.

What are there? Communist, capitalist, .......

Is all major system in the world beast?

 

[luigi]

WHAT?? Are you saying this just to make fun? Or do you really think this?

Gabriel told Daniel what the 4 beasts represented

Beast 1. Babylon
Beast 2 Media-Persia
Beast 3 Greece
Beast 4 Rome and Rome 2

We readily see the four separate beasts in Daniel 7 described as a single unified beast in Revelation 13. These four unified beasts in Revelation 13 represent the dragon, the beast, and its mouths new world order; Satan's last stance for forty two months, before the kingdom is awarded to the saints, and the Lord commences to reign.

 

[luigi]

WHAT?? Are you saying this just to make fun? Or do you really think this?

Gabriel told Daniel what the 4 beasts represented

Beast 1. Babylon
Beast 2 Media-Persia
Beast 3 Greece
Beast 4 Rome and Rome 2

Gabriel informed Daniel that the visions he was shown regard the end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19). Media and Persia correspond to what today are Iraq and Iran.
The he goat (represented by Greece), who traverses the whole earth from the west without touching the ground (Daniel 8:5) to destroy Media and Persia, represents a nation from the other side of the world whose air force traverses the whole earth to destroy what today are Iraq and Iran.

Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Daniel 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

 

[trofimus]

The mosque had been there for more than thausand years.

I do not think it is what that verse mean.

What is a complete desolation if not the fact that the temple is totally destroyed and nothing is left and there is even a temple of another religion on its place?

That it lasts thousands of years is even more abominable to Jews. So I do not follow your logic.

 

[luigi]

What are there? Communist, capitalist, .......

I see the second beast, the bear in Daniel 7, representing the second red horse in Revelation 6. This entity I believe represents Russia and possibly other socialist type nations.

Is all major system in the world beast?

When united as a single socio economic system, where no one can purchase or sell, then all four separate beasts in Daniel 7 and Revelation 6 represent the single unified beast in Revelation 13.

 

[luigi]

What are there? Communist, capitalist, .......

If you read some of my earlier posts here in regards to Death (the fourth horseman in Revelation 6) and Hell who follows him; you will see that Death represents the Southern kingdom in Daniel 11, which represent nations in the Middle East, and that the Northern kingdom represents the beast with 10 horns in Daniel 7.
I therefore recognize the first white horse in Revelation 6: who goes about conquering as Hell, the Northern kingdom (aka the beast with ten horns), who follows after Death, the Southern kingdom, Middle Eastern nations.

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.


As for the third horse and its rider, I believe these to represent developing nations, formerly referred to as third world nations.