Can One Lose Their Salvation?

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Lillywolf

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MessageOfTheCross said:
The question is do you believe it?
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I absolutely do believe. You are a thief of other peoples intellectual property.
Repent. For God is real. And he knew you before the world came to be. This will conclude our post exchange.
God is not mocked.
Remember that too.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Salvation is a gift, The bible says it can never be earned, If it can be lost. It must be earned, which means it is not by grace, but in reality is of works.

The jews tried to insert law into the gospel of grace. Saying yes, beliefe and faith are great, but if you do not do this or that, you will lose salvation. What was pauls response?

Gal 3: Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

His points were clear.

1. Are you so foolish beliving what began in the spirit (salvation by grace through faith) Must now be perfected (made complete) in the flesh (by works)
2. As believers, they were suffering many things, Paul called them out, asking if they were suffering these things in vein (why bother suffering)
3. He lastly called their salvation into question (if indeed it was in vein at all, ie, if it was real to begin with)

Yet here we are 2000 years later and we still have people teaching that we may begin in faith, but we must perfect in our actions (works)

Satan is hard at work with these false gospel. Run from them, they are dangerous,,
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If salvation can be lost NO ONE IS or WILL BE saved...........
 
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Lillywolf said:
No. We have a fake member acting, because the T word may be against the rules, those who are alive in Christ and respect God's good news.

Beware of Jimmy Swaggart’s Expositor’s Study Bible
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Hoping to fix the above statement that has a word omitted.
"We have a fake member acting, because the T word may be against the rules, against those who are alive in Christ and respect God's good news."
 
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Lillywolf said:
I absolutely do believe. You are a thief of other peoples intellectual property.
Repent. For God is real. And he knew you before the world came to be. This will conclude our post exchange.
God is not mocked.
Remember that too.
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Why do you believe you are saved if you don't forgive a Brother or a Sister in Christ?
 
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NOMESSAGEOFTHECROSS.....you can dislike the truth all you want.....ask me if I care......maybe your JESUS is to weak and inept to keep his word and or promises.....the JESUS of the bible KEEPS his word and IS ALL powerful....must suck to think one must walk the line in fear of losing that which is eternal....LIKE a type of HOPE when one buys a lottery ticket......
 
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eternally-gratefull

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dcontroversal said:
If salvation can be lost NO ONE IS or WILL BE saved...........
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Nope. Because we would all have to earn it, and what does scripture say,? All have sinned and fall short of that perfect standard required of us. or as james said, if we break even one aspect. We are found guity of all. And cursed forever.

Anyone who thinks salvation can be lost. Does not understand the total plight they are on. And has yet in my view to repent. They still think they can offer God some part which will save them. They have failed to fall on their knees in total bancrupsy. Because their debt they owe God is to great and growing by the day and they realise they can not pay that debt, let olone, even if God took it all away up to that point, they woudl stil occure a debt to great to overcome from that day forwars (remember, only ONE sin is reauired to be cursed by the law as sinners.)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope. Because we would all have to earn it, and what does scripture say,? All have sinned and fall short of that perfect standard required of us. or as james said, if we break even one aspect. We are found guity of all. And cursed forever.

Anyone who thinks salvation can be lost. Does not understand the total plight they are on. And has yet in my view to repent. They still think they can offer God some part which will save them. They have failed to fall on their knees in total bancrupsy. Because their debt they owe God is to great and growing by the day and they realise they can not pay that debt, let olone, even if God took it all away up to that point, they woudl stil occure a debt to great to overcome from that day forwars (remember, only ONE sin is reauired to be cursed by the law as sinners.)
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It is idiotic to think that I MUST to HELP that which already IS...........
 
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dcontroversal said:
Welcome to Paul's realization.....

Paul's progression in light of truth, the righteousness of Christ and understanding

a. Least of the Apostles
b. Least of the Saints
c. NUMBER 1 CHIEF SINNER AMONG MEN
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Yes sir! and besides that . . . ask any Calvinist. They'll give a witness fer sure!
 
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dcontroversal said:
NOMESSAGEOFTHECROSS.....you can dislike the truth all you want.....ask me if I care......maybe your JESUS is to weak and inept to keep his word and or promises.....the JESUS of the bible KEEPS his word and IS ALL powerful....must suck to think one must walk the line in fear of losing that which is eternal....LIKE a type of HOPE when one buys a lottery ticket......
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They do not get it. Jesus promises rest.not even HARDER work.
He promises hope. Not dispair
He promises eternal life, not conditional life
He promises we can Come to God as our daddy (Abba) not in fear.

They do not know God or Christ. .
 
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Son's of VENGEANCE CAN YOU RESCUE ME
They GOT ME TIED UP to A TREE
Got ME screaming alone in the night
I'm beginning to see what is wrong and what is right

What is wrong and what is right
What is wrong and what is right

Thank GOD the TRUTH sets us free from RELIGION that binds men's hands and leads the RANK and FILE to the pit
 
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dcontroversal said:
It is idiotic to think that I MUST to HELP that which already IS...........
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It is idiotic to think if you fell overboard off an aircrat carrier in the middle of a hurricain you can save yourself. Yet they think they can.

what they have is the wisom of men, Which God himself said he would turn to foolishness.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It is idiotic to think if you fell overboard off an aircrat carrier in the middle of a hurricain you can save yourself. Yet they think they can.

what they have is the wisom of men, Which God himself said he would turn to foolishness.
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AMEN......I assume they think they can walk on water................10 to 1 they believe it.....
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope. Because we would all have to earn it, and what does scripture say,? All have sinned and fall short of that perfect standard required of us. or as james said, if we break even one aspect. We are found guity of all. And cursed forever.

Anyone who thinks salvation can be lost. Does not understand the total plight they are on. And has yet in my view to repent. They still think they can offer God some part which will save them. They have failed to fall on their knees in total bancrupsy. Because their debt they owe God is to great and growing by the day and they realise they can not pay that debt, let olone, even if God took it all away up to that point, they woudl stil occure a debt to great to overcome from that day forwars (remember, only ONE sin is reauired to be cursed by the law as sinners.)
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Remember, this is a site that upholds Christ and his death on the cross.
Not a thing you've stated there pertains to that.

I know a member on another forum that believes for their own life one mistake will cast them back into damnation and the status of sinner.
I don't know what book they read that from, nor what you've posted above, however, it is not from the scriptures that teach of Christ and uphold God's grace and irrevocable gifts due to Christ's sacrifice on the cross to afford the covenant of everlasting life.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Lillywolf said:
Remember, this is a site that upholds Christ and his death on the cross.
Not a thing you've stated there pertains to that.

I know a member on another forum that believes for their own life one mistake will cast them back into damnation and the status of sinner.
I don't know what book they read that from, nor what you've posted above, however, it is not from the scriptures that teach of Christ and uphold God's grace and irrevocable gifts due to Christ's sacrifice on the cross to afford the covenant of everlasting life.
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I am gonna be honest, I have no idea what your trying to say.
 
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The responders above seem to support the notion that there are two types of salvation…the salvation that many strive for while on earth, and the eternal salvation one who has seeked salvation receives after leaving the earth. How else to explain the alleged confusion?

There is a lot on earth that may cause people to get diverted from the path of righteousness, but it isn’t a matter of my sin versus your sin, it’s a matter of the sins that the Bible has clearly indicated would separate us permanently from salvation, such as renouncing one’s faith and denouncing God.

The above responders seem to believe, however, that once you’ve reached the plateau of salvation while on earth, there isn’t a sin in the world that would cause you to lose it. That once you’re on that plateau, you no longer need to be cognizant of what the Bible says, since you effectively paid your dues.

Whether it’s your sin or my sin, the Bible has made clear distinctions in plain English. It then becomes a matter of comprehension.
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Well, it is obvious that you lack comprehension.
My salvation is in Christ Jesus and it is eternal.
End of conversation.
 
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Lillywolf said:
Remember, this is a site that upholds Christ and his death on the cross.
Not a thing you've stated there pertains to that.

I know a member on another forum that believes for their own life one mistake will cast them back into damnation and the status of sinner.
I don't know what book they read that from, nor what you've posted above, however, it is not from the scriptures that teach of Christ and uphold God's grace and irrevocable gifts due to Christ's sacrifice on the cross to afford the covenant of everlasting life.
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WHAT a tragic place to be in....NO HOPE and NON-STOP fear....

PERFECT LOVE casts out ALL FEAR..............LIKE I said, and the religionist gave it a thumbs down....IF salvation can be LOST NO ONE will be saved....................NONE, ZERO, NADDA, NIL, ZILCH, niguna, keiner, aucun and every other word of like caliber and order.....
 
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