Pre-Trib Rapture and Premillennialism are False Doctrines

[delirious]

Sure. Keep reading to the next chapter.

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Replacement theology dumpstered. Next!

Replacement theology is a pjeroative and a misnomer. It is a made up term by dispensationalists.

Romans 9: 6, "They are not all Israel who are Israel but people of the promise."

Romans 2: 28-29, "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God."

People of faith have always been God's people going all the way back to Abraham. It has never changed.

 

[delirious]

Your hurting your own argument man.

1. Daniel is told, at the and (literally immediately following) the 69th week, Messiah the prince will appear.
2. We are told how messiah will come, riding on a donkey, And jerusalem is told to look for this sign.

Zechariah 9:9 [ The Coming King ] “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.

We did not learn that from men, We learned it by SCRIPTURE ITSELF.

You didn't refute anything. Did you even read my post #375? If you did, you obviously didn't understand it.

Give me a SCRIPTURE that says the 69th week ended on Palm Sunday. There isn't one. That Scripture you posted doesn't say that either. You didn't answer my question either...

How do you have the ultimate Jew, one of Daniel's people, "atoning for iniquity", OUTSIDE the 70 week time frame of the prophecy? Could you answer that question for me?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Replacement theology is a pjeroative and a misnomer. It is a made up term by dispensationalists.

Romans 9: 6, "They are not all Israel who are Israel but people of the promise."

Romans 2: 28-29, "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God."

People of faith have always been God's people going all the way back to Abraham. It has never changed.

Yet you ignore most of the OT prophets who say Isreal will not be forgoten even after she is dispersed from her land. And Paul in Rom 11 that says God will remember his promise to them, for All Isreal will be saved (and no. A jew is not a saved gentile. That is replacement theology)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You didn't refute anything. Did you even read my post #375? If you did, you obviously didn't understand it.

Give me a SCRIPTURE that says the 69th week ended on Palm Sunday. There isn't one. That Scripture you posted doesn't say that either. You didn't answer my question either...

How do you have the ultimate Jew, one of Daniel's people, "atoning for iniquity", OUTSIDE the 70 week time frame of the prophecy? Could you answer that question for me?

Dude, I gave you scripture’ As usual you ignore it then attack others.

Zech 9 says HOW Messiah will be given to her people. Dan 9 says when it will take place.

You scream scripture. Yet you ignore the scripture given you. The passages you gave does not support your view.

 

[delirious]

You still have not responded to the things I showed which proved the kingdom age (1000 years) has or is happening, Even if you believe it is more or less than 1000 years. We have signs of what should be happening, they have yet to occure.

I don't need to answer your reply to my post #209 because you never addressed the Scripture I presented. That's why I said you didn't refute anything. Because you didn't.

I appeared to prove in post #209, using the Scripture from Rev 11: 18, that a 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth is impossible. You never answered that. You gave a bunch of unrelated texts.

Can you tell me how I misinterpreted Rev 11: 18?

 

[delirious]

Dude, I gave you scripture’ As usual you ignore it then attack others.

Zech 9 says HOW Messiah will be given to her people. Dan 9 says when it will take place.

You scream scripture. Yet you ignore the scripture given you. The passages you gave does not support your view.

I haven't attacked anybody. I was asking you to answer my question using Scripture. You still haven't.

How is Jesus, who is one of Daniel's people, being crucified and "atoning for iniquity" OUTSIDE the time frame of the 70 weeks?

Can you answer that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't need to answer your reply to my post #209 because you never addressed the Scripture I presented. That's why I said you didn't refute anything. Because you didn't.

I appeared to prove in post #209, using the Scripture from Rev 11: 18, that a 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth is impossible. You never answered that. You gave a bunch of unrelated texts.

Can you tell me how I misinterpreted Rev 11: 18?

Lol. I did refute it man,

I do not need to refute your INTERPRETATION of rev 11. All I have to do is prove that what God said WILL happen during that 100 year reign has not happened, and is not happpening

As for rev 11. I mean really? that is what is happening immediately before and while messiah returns. The 1000 years happns AFTER these events. So again, You did not prove anything either way

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I haven't attacked anybody. I was asking you to answer my question using Scripture. You still haven't.

How is Jesus, who is one of Daniel's people, being crucified and "atoning for iniquity" OUTSIDE the time frame of the 70 weeks?

Can you answer that?

Again, it has been answered by so many people.


Dan 9
Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The [h]street shall be built again, and the [i]wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall [j]be cut off, but not for Himself;

 

[Hevosmies]

Yet you ignore most of the OT prophets who say Isreal will not be forgoten even after she is dispersed from her land. And Paul in Rom 11 that says God will remember his promise to them, for All Isreal will be saved (and no. A jew is not a saved gentile. That is replacement theology)

The insanity of replacement theology is that they are basically saying:

The jews were LITERALLY, PHYSICALLY scattered from their land. And what God has done now us SYMBOLICALLY, SPIRITUALLY gather people to no land, and to top it all off, a DIFFERENT PEOPLE than the people that were scattered originally.

Oy vey!
Good luck evangelizing jews

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Interesting to see that opinion often takes precedence over scripture, bad teaching taken to heart and kept as truth because it all appeals to the old nature, as my grandson used to say when he was two, I DO SELF! when he was determined to be independent and was sure he knew how. I know from years of study that the AMIL view is correct, the only unfulfilled prophecy at this point in human history is the destruction of the earth with "intense heat" as Peter proclaims and Christ coming for his people AT THE LAST TRUMP. When you understand the symbolism of Revelation, the relationship to history of the book of Daniel, the harmony of the gospels on the Olivet discourse, AND that in the new covenant the church and Isreal are one and the same (the cultivated olive tree <Jews> and the wild olive tree (Gentiles) in Revelation. The church is Israel and Israel is the church. There is no Jew or Gentile, all are ONE in Christ Jesus, only in the secular world are the two distinctive and separate.

Can we agree to disagree? Can you hold opposing views on scripture?? And Who says one docrine is more or less important than any other? After all, Eschatology is a very large part of scripture, important enough for Jesus to expound on it.

Worhipping in truth is essential, with noone doing their own thing, everyone on the same page. Corinthians tells us that we are to be of ONE mind, one accord with NO divisons among us. I never see divisons among God's people, just among those who want to "do self".

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Who but Jesus put and END to the sacrifice? Daniel was referring to the temple sacrifice of his day.

These same old arguments go on and on, depending on whether you subscribe to the views of Calvinism, Arminianism of somewhere in between. Study to be approved as a workman is who able to handle ACCURATELY the word of truth.

 

[delirious]

Interesting to see that opinion often takes precedence over scripture, bad teaching taken to heart and kept as truth because it all appeals to the old nature, as my grandson used to say when he was two, I DO SELF! when he was determined to be independent and was sure he knew how. I know from years of study that the AMIL view is correct, the only unfulfilled prophecy at this point in human history is the destruction of the earth with "intense heat" as Peter proclaims and Christ coming for his people AT THE LAST TRUMP. When you understand the symbolism of Revelation, the relationship to history of the book of Daniel, the harmony of the gospels on the Olivet discourse, AND that in the new covenant the church and Isreal are one and the same (the cultivated olive tree <Jews> and the wild olive tree (Gentiles) in Revelation. The church is Israel and Israel is the church. There is no Jew or Gentile, all are ONE in Christ Jesus, only in the secular world are the two distinctive and separate.

Someone who understands. Thanks for your comments brother. I made this thread because dispensationalism and the premill view are bad doctrines and I want my Christian brothers and sisters to have the truth. We should always study to show ourselves approved, rebuking with humility, and allowing ourselves to be rebuked when we are wrong. Everything should be done in love and for the unity and building up of those in the faith. Sometimes we fail at that in our polemics. Sometimes I do.

I started this thread primarily for those who are still searching and trying to figure it out. Not for those who have already made up their minds and won't listen. I agree with you that Scripture teaches the amill view of eschatology and I would love for others to see it. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Let everything be done without selfish motives and in love.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Someone who understands. Thanks for your comments brother. I made this thread because dispensationalism and the premill view are bad doctrines and I want my Christian brothers and sisters to have the truth. We should always study to show ourselves approved, rebuking with humility, and allowing ourselves to be rebuked when we are wrong. Everything should be done in love and for the unity and building up of those in the faith. Sometimes we fail at that in our polemics. Sometimes I do.

I started this thread primarily for those who are still searching and trying to figure it out. Not for those who have already made up their minds and won't listen. I agree with you that Scripture teaches the amill view of eschatology and I would love for others to see it. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Let everything be done without selfish motives and in love.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Those who are spiritully apprised will "get it" but you can't make the blind see. I say what I have to say and move on, like Jesus said, if they don't receive it, shake their dust.

 

[Locutus]

I always pre-treat my ribs with amill sauce before rapturing them over to the BBQ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who but Jesus put and END to the sacrifice? Daniel was referring to the temple sacrifice of his day.

These same old arguments go on and on, depending on whether you subscribe to the views of Calvinism, Arminianism of somewhere in between. Study to be approved as a workman is who able to handle ACCURATELY the word of truth.

Thats the issue, everyone thinks they are right, and even use this vere against others who they think are wrong.

As for who put an end to sacrifice, Gabriel told Daniel how it would be done, By the abomination whcih causes desolation. Not by Jesus,, Dan 9 is not about salvation, It is about time given for Daniels people and Holy City..

 

[Nehemiah6]

I made this thread because dispensationalism and the premill view are bad doctrines and I want my Christian brothers and sisters to have the truth.

But since the truth will be found in Dispensationalism and Premillennialim, what you are doing is OPPOSING THE TRUTH. And the Bible says that evil men and SEDUCERS will wax worse and worse.

 

[tanakh]

It dawned on me why most EVERYTHING is poo pooed by amils.
Imagine taking a position,betting the farm and then we come along with a bible.
They are supposedly in a millineal that is not a thousand years becaise it has ben almost 2000 years since the supposed mil began.

Its more likely that ''We come along with La Hayes Left behind, Hal Lindsays Late Great Planet Earth or countless other sensational
books and news stories'' Bringing a Bible is one thing actually studying it properly is something else entirely

 

[delirious]

But since the truth will be found in Dispensationalism and Premillennialim, what you are doing is OPPOSING THE TRUTH. And the Bible says that evil men and SEDUCERS will wax worse and worse.

I sincerely think your eschatological position is wrong and flawed in many ways and most importantly not scriptural. I'm sure you think something similar of mine. I won't imply you are an evil man or seducer like you did me though just because we disagree. Nevertheless, I have already forgiven you because I need His forgiveness desperately. It's always good to try and remember...

In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity.

 

[tanakh]

Thats the issue, everyone thinks they are right, and even use this vere against others who they think are wrong.

As for who put an end to sacrifice, Gabriel told Daniel how it would be done, By the abomination whcih causes desolation. Not by Jesus,, Dan 9 is not about salvation, It is about time given for Daniels people and Holy City..

God is in control of what is allowed to happen on the Earth and uses people and nature to cause things to happen. Christ used the Romans and Jewish Zealots to destroy the Temple and City. If Dan 9 is not about Salvation why is Christ and his death as Messiah mentioned at all. Daniel received this message hundreds of years before Jesus came. Gabriel could have just as well mentioned the destruction and desolation alone.