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From the Scriptures in Ephesians, how do you get that?
8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.........
Nothing about judging us there...........now, He surely will judge our works for Him.......be they worthy or wasted.......but in my opinion, not us! just saying.........you might be reaching there a wee bit in my opinion
8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.........
Nothing about judging us there...........now, He surely will judge our works for Him.......be they worthy or wasted.......but in my opinion, not us! just saying.........you might be reaching there a wee bit in my opinion
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BELIEF - FAITH - LAW - OBEDIENCE - JUSTIFICATION - GRACE - REPENTANCE
It all fits together! We cannot discuss one without discussing the others and expect to understand.
Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.”
Many people sincerely believe that all one has to do is “believe on Jesus” to be saved. Jesus says this to those who believe but do not do the things He says:
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven...’” (Matthew 7:21–23).
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46)?
“But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17).
Belief and Obedience AND Faith are Connected
Many today seek to disconnect belief from obedience, and faith from works BUT the scriptures show the WHOLE picture of HOW they connect.
The law does not justify us. It teaches us the reason we need justification. It teaches us what sin is (1 John 3:4). Once we have sinned by breaking that law, it is through faith in the sacrifice of Christ that justification—forgiveness of past sins—takes place. The law defines sin. Faith in Christ’s sacrifice brings about justification.
This is summarized in Galatians 2:15–18: “We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Paul also said, “for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified” (by Christ) (Romans 2:13). We are justified to God by Christ having paid the penalty for our past sins, but the Bible teaches that we should become diligent in keeping the commandments and (strive to) sin no more.
(James 2:19) James says “You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!” . “But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?” (v. 20). Then, using the example of Abraham offering up his son Isaac, he says: “Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?” (v. 22).
And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?” (Hebrews 3:14–18). Then Paul sums up this passage by saying: “So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief” (v. 19). He connects Belief with Obedience
Hebrews 11 is known as the “faith chapter” because it records example after example of men and women who exercised faith in the face of trials and stress. “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarded of those who diligently seek Him” (v. 6).
Some conclude that the Apostle Paul taught against commandment keeping, but as Peter said, many have misunderstood some things Paul wrote: "as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures" (2 Peter 3:16). Paul never contradicted Jesus by teaching commandment breaking.
Paul never contradicted Jesus by teaching commandment breaking.
Paul, in a letter to uncircumcised Gentile Christians said, "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcised is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters" (1 Corinthians 7:19). Even the Apostle to the Gentiles taught commandment keeping!
If we truly love God, we will begin keeping His commandments, "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3).
God's Grace
Grace is a “gift from God.” But, is this grace a permanent state, such that “once saved, always saved”?
An often-misunderstood verse in Scripture. Ephesians 2:8 tells us, “For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (KJV). The phrase “are ye saved” uses a present-progressive verb. A “present-progressive” verb describes an ongoing action. Any good Bible concordance will verify that the KJV correctly renders the tense of the original Greek verb. The most precise translation of Ephesians 2:8,we “are being” saved through faith.
To sum up, Christians have been saved from our past sins by the blood of Christ (justification); we are now “being saved” through faith (Matthew 24:13), and we “shall be saved by His life” (Romans 5:10).
Repentance
Many preach and teach - "Just believe, and you will be saved!" BUT God tells us to repent of sin and be baptized - is THAT "salvation by works"?
What is repentance? The Greek word translated "repent" is metanoeo, which means to "think differently." One must repent of—think differently about—one's sin. But what is sin? "Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." (1 John 3:4). The King James Version puts it plainly—"sin is the transgression of the law."
When we repent of sin, we are deeply sorry for having transgressed God's law. We no longer have a hostile attitude toward God and His law of liberty. We no longer have a carnal attitude that is enmity against the law of God (Romans 8:7). After repentance, we want to be in harmony with God's law of love—the Ten Commandments. Repentance brings a deep change in our thinking, and a commitment to live by every word of God. As Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God" (Luke 4:4).
On the day of Pentecost in 31ad, in the first inspired sermon of the New Testament Church,
the Apostle Peter spoke in Jerusalem to several thousand people, after which they became convicted for their part in killing the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Thousands asked Peter and the other Apostles: "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"(Acts 2:37).
Here was Peter's opportunity to tell them that they did not need to do anything more than "believe." Did he tell them so? No! What did he actually say? "Then Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'" (Acts 2:38). Peter proclaimed wonderful news—that they could be forgiven of their sins, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this to occur, he insisted on two points—that they repent (of breaking God's Spiritual Law - The 10 Commandments), and that they be baptized.
A Defense Of God's Spiritual Law
"Christians Are Required to Keep God's Law!"
https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/85fa28aa-ec90-48bc-a7af-7d84aafb3da7
Videos
"Did Paul Do Away With the Law?"
Will You Follow Christ or Paul?
Who Says?
The effects of God's Law "done away with" in society.
BILLIONS WEREN’T EXPECTING THIS AFTER DEATH
What happens to faithful, repentant Christians? What happens to those who lived bad lives during this life? What happens to those who Don't keep God's law?
It all fits together! We cannot discuss one without discussing the others and expect to understand.
Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.”
Many people sincerely believe that all one has to do is “believe on Jesus” to be saved. Jesus says this to those who believe but do not do the things He says:
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven...’” (Matthew 7:21–23).
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46)?
“But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17).
Belief and Obedience AND Faith are Connected
Many today seek to disconnect belief from obedience, and faith from works BUT the scriptures show the WHOLE picture of HOW they connect.
The law does not justify us. It teaches us the reason we need justification. It teaches us what sin is (1 John 3:4). Once we have sinned by breaking that law, it is through faith in the sacrifice of Christ that justification—forgiveness of past sins—takes place. The law defines sin. Faith in Christ’s sacrifice brings about justification.
This is summarized in Galatians 2:15–18: “We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Paul also said, “for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified” (by Christ) (Romans 2:13). We are justified to God by Christ having paid the penalty for our past sins, but the Bible teaches that we should become diligent in keeping the commandments and (strive to) sin no more.
(James 2:19) James says “You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!” . “But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?” (v. 20). Then, using the example of Abraham offering up his son Isaac, he says: “Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?” (v. 22).
And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?” (Hebrews 3:14–18). Then Paul sums up this passage by saying: “So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief” (v. 19). He connects Belief with Obedience
Hebrews 11 is known as the “faith chapter” because it records example after example of men and women who exercised faith in the face of trials and stress. “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarded of those who diligently seek Him” (v. 6).
Some conclude that the Apostle Paul taught against commandment keeping, but as Peter said, many have misunderstood some things Paul wrote: "as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures" (2 Peter 3:16). Paul never contradicted Jesus by teaching commandment breaking.
Paul never contradicted Jesus by teaching commandment breaking.
Paul, in a letter to uncircumcised Gentile Christians said, "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcised is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters" (1 Corinthians 7:19). Even the Apostle to the Gentiles taught commandment keeping!
If we truly love God, we will begin keeping His commandments, "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3).
God's Grace
Grace is a “gift from God.” But, is this grace a permanent state, such that “once saved, always saved”?
An often-misunderstood verse in Scripture. Ephesians 2:8 tells us, “For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (KJV). The phrase “are ye saved” uses a present-progressive verb. A “present-progressive” verb describes an ongoing action. Any good Bible concordance will verify that the KJV correctly renders the tense of the original Greek verb. The most precise translation of Ephesians 2:8,we “are being” saved through faith.
To sum up, Christians have been saved from our past sins by the blood of Christ (justification); we are now “being saved” through faith (Matthew 24:13), and we “shall be saved by His life” (Romans 5:10).
Repentance
Many preach and teach - "Just believe, and you will be saved!" BUT God tells us to repent of sin and be baptized - is THAT "salvation by works"?
What is repentance? The Greek word translated "repent" is metanoeo, which means to "think differently." One must repent of—think differently about—one's sin. But what is sin? "Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." (1 John 3:4). The King James Version puts it plainly—"sin is the transgression of the law."
When we repent of sin, we are deeply sorry for having transgressed God's law. We no longer have a hostile attitude toward God and His law of liberty. We no longer have a carnal attitude that is enmity against the law of God (Romans 8:7). After repentance, we want to be in harmony with God's law of love—the Ten Commandments. Repentance brings a deep change in our thinking, and a commitment to live by every word of God. As Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God" (Luke 4:4).
On the day of Pentecost in 31ad, in the first inspired sermon of the New Testament Church,
the Apostle Peter spoke in Jerusalem to several thousand people, after which they became convicted for their part in killing the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Thousands asked Peter and the other Apostles: "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"(Acts 2:37).
Here was Peter's opportunity to tell them that they did not need to do anything more than "believe." Did he tell them so? No! What did he actually say? "Then Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'" (Acts 2:38). Peter proclaimed wonderful news—that they could be forgiven of their sins, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this to occur, he insisted on two points—that they repent (of breaking God's Spiritual Law - The 10 Commandments), and that they be baptized.
A Defense Of God's Spiritual Law
"Christians Are Required to Keep God's Law!"
https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/85fa28aa-ec90-48bc-a7af-7d84aafb3da7
Videos
"Did Paul Do Away With the Law?"
Will You Follow Christ or Paul?
Who Says?
The effects of God's Law "done away with" in society.
BILLIONS WEREN’T EXPECTING THIS AFTER DEATH
What happens to faithful, repentant Christians? What happens to those who lived bad lives during this life? What happens to those who Don't keep God's law?
Save by grace not by work It doesn't mean murder adulterer go to heaven
Revelation 21:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Save by grace through faith mean after believe in Jesus, a person Will bear fruit. We can bear fruit from ourselve. A branch must bite to the tree. That is save by grace.
There is correlation between salvation and love. Save person produce love, not murder and liar. Murder and liar is the fruit of satan.
The fruit of Jesus is love
Revelation 21:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Save by grace through faith mean after believe in Jesus, a person Will bear fruit. We can bear fruit from ourselve. A branch must bite to the tree. That is save by grace.
There is correlation between salvation and love. Save person produce love, not murder and liar. Murder and liar is the fruit of satan.
The fruit of Jesus is love
4100. pisteuó -
Strong's Concordance
pisteuó: to believe, entrust
Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Definition: to believe, entrust
Usage: I believe, have faith in, trust in; I am entrusted with.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from pistis
Definition
to believe, entrust
NASB Translation
believe (118), believed (73), believers (3), believes (29), believing (10), do (1), entrust (1), entrusted (6), entrusting (1), has faith (1).
The word "believe" can describe mere "mental assent belief," as in James 2:19, or also include "trust and reliance in Christ for salvation," as in Acts 16:31. In James 2:19, the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
Strong's Concordance
pisteuó: to believe, entrust
Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Definition: to believe, entrust
Usage: I believe, have faith in, trust in; I am entrusted with.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from pistis
Definition
to believe, entrust
NASB Translation
believe (118), believed (73), believers (3), believes (29), believing (10), do (1), entrust (1), entrusted (6), entrusting (1), has faith (1).
The word "believe" can describe mere "mental assent belief," as in James 2:19, or also include "trust and reliance in Christ for salvation," as in Acts 16:31. In James 2:19, the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
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A baby born to a woman was set in a hole in a rock and left there. The woman said she loved the baby so very muc, but the baby died due to a lack of care.
That baby represents faith, and the lack of care for it tha basence of works…..how can the woman love the child if she does nothing once having received it?
That baby represents faith, and the lack of care for it tha basence of works…..how can the woman love the child if she does nothing once having received it?
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the baby would be dependent on the mother to take care of it. our salvation is a gift from God to all who believe in the Son.
so, our salvation is not dependent on us to maintain it, as you try to make it , but as long as we continue to believe in the name of the Son.
and, of course , a true Christian will manifest the fruits of the Sprit., and do good works.
so, our salvation is not dependent on us to maintain it, as you try to make it , but as long as we continue to believe in the name of the Son.
and, of course , a true Christian will manifest the fruits of the Sprit., and do good works.
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That's pretty idealistic brother.
Which of us have not neglected our own faith?
That said, if any person says they have faith, and, as you say "does nothing once having received it" is a misnomer to some extent as there is no truly converted person who does such a thing. That is unless you are saying they are not truly converted.
No person receives true faith, and does nothing with it; note James 2:14 "...can that faith save him?" Answer? No, that faith is not true faith.
The person in your scenario would be proven a false professor.
And for the record, Jesus is the author and perfecter of our faith; Hebrews 12:2. It is all to his glory, not ours.
Which of us have not neglected our own faith?
That said, if any person says they have faith, and, as you say "does nothing once having received it" is a misnomer to some extent as there is no truly converted person who does such a thing. That is unless you are saying they are not truly converted.
No person receives true faith, and does nothing with it; note James 2:14 "...can that faith save him?" Answer? No, that faith is not true faith.
The person in your scenario would be proven a false professor.
And for the record, Jesus is the author and perfecter of our faith; Hebrews 12:2. It is all to his glory, not ours.
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Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Mat_22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Luk_10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
1Jn_4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Grace = unmerited favor
Love = response to unmerited favor by character and actions
Loving the LORD your God means loving Him the way He asks to be loved.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
ie Ten Commandments works of loving the LORD are first four and ie works of loving others are the last six.
1) Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Pagan traditions comingled with Christ and God the Father = not loving God and keeping His commandments.
Who was born during the Fall Feasts? Feast of Trumpets, or, Feast of Tabernacles? How many gods were born on December 25th?
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. (Jews did not yet exist at the time the LORD said these are my feasts, so not just the feasts of the Jews.) (True, Jesus was a Jew, and He kept the Feasts and we find no mention of celebrating His birthday and we are to follow Christ's example.) Maybe, if we took all the money to be spent on decorations and gifts from our churches and homes and sent it to missionaries, more lost people would hear the Good News. Most people who come to church to watch a passion play or Christmas story are already saved, so just think we could reach more lost souls if our monies are spent where the lost are and not ask the lost to come to church to get saved. Just a thought. Works with sustenance or worthless works?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Mat_22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Luk_10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
1Jn_4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Grace = unmerited favor
Love = response to unmerited favor by character and actions
Loving the LORD your God means loving Him the way He asks to be loved.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
ie Ten Commandments works of loving the LORD are first four and ie works of loving others are the last six.
1) Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Pagan traditions comingled with Christ and God the Father = not loving God and keeping His commandments.
Who was born during the Fall Feasts? Feast of Trumpets, or, Feast of Tabernacles? How many gods were born on December 25th?
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. (Jews did not yet exist at the time the LORD said these are my feasts, so not just the feasts of the Jews.) (True, Jesus was a Jew, and He kept the Feasts and we find no mention of celebrating His birthday and we are to follow Christ's example.) Maybe, if we took all the money to be spent on decorations and gifts from our churches and homes and sent it to missionaries, more lost people would hear the Good News. Most people who come to church to watch a passion play or Christmas story are already saved, so just think we could reach more lost souls if our monies are spent where the lost are and not ask the lost to come to church to get saved. Just a thought. Works with sustenance or worthless works?
Save by grace also mean
Catholic teach for salvation, you have to go to purgatory. Or pay penance. That kind of work is not the teaching in the bible.
But salvation produce good fruit not all the way around.
Bible teaching : Save > bear fruit > and the fruit oh Holy Spirit is love
Catholic teaching: work > salvation.
Catholic teach for salvation, you have to go to purgatory. Or pay penance. That kind of work is not the teaching in the bible.
But salvation produce good fruit not all the way around.
Bible teaching : Save > bear fruit > and the fruit oh Holy Spirit is love
Catholic teaching: work > salvation.
Yep, some people believe save by grace mean murder is ok, because salvation not by work.
Salvation produce good work
John 15
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
This is Jesus teaching.
Branch never able to bear fruit of itself, so If we do good work we can not proud, we not the producer, the tree is.
But Jesus also teach If branch not produce the fruit he Will go to hell (verse 6)
Fast them into the fire
It doesn't mean salvation by work, but the fact that a man not bear fruit mean that man not abide in Jesus or do not have faith in Jesus
Verse 6.
If a man not abide in Me/Jesus
No fruit
Go to hell
Salvation produce good work
John 15
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
This is Jesus teaching.
Branch never able to bear fruit of itself, so If we do good work we can not proud, we not the producer, the tree is.
But Jesus also teach If branch not produce the fruit he Will go to hell (verse 6)
Fast them into the fire
It doesn't mean salvation by work, but the fact that a man not bear fruit mean that man not abide in Jesus or do not have faith in Jesus
Verse 6.
If a man not abide in Me/Jesus
No fruit
Go to hell
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