Not By Works

[Suzy37]

What do you believe it means to fall away, and in your beliefs... is it possible for a saved believer to fall away... (not speaking of a decieved individual)

and then later regain salvation?

I don't believe anyone is saved in this life time, Tho there are three tenses past, present. and future of salvation. We do not complete this process until resurrected with a spirit body which is what Christ speaks of in John 3 When we are born of the spirit we will BE spirit
Thanks for being civil No Name that's nice to see!

 

[Suzy37]

What do you believe it means to fall away, and in your beliefs... is it possible for a saved believer to fall away... (not speaking of a decieved individual)

and then later regain salvation?

 

[VCO]

Oh yes I have read Acts many times and it still says the same thing , no born again baptism. WATER BAPTISM Happened every time for a Christian, if it didn't they were not a Christian, just fooling themselves Water baptism and spirit baptism - water baptism is required for a person to come under the blood of Christ- spirit baptism will happen at the resurrection, no born again stuff as Christ made clear- if you are born again of the spirit you are spirit and that's it!

1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:27 (HCSB)
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and individual members of it.

1 Peter 3:19-21 (NCV)
19 And in the spirit he went and preached to the spirits in prison
20 who refused to obey God long ago in the time of Noah. God was waiting patiently for them while Noah was building the boat.
Only a few people—eight in all—were saved by water.
21 And that water is like baptism that now saves you—not the washing of dirt from the body, but the promise made to God from a good conscience. And this is because Jesus Christ was raised from the dead.


Verse 21, in my opinion, is a the ONLY BAPTISM that SAVES IS NOT getting into a Baptistry, but REPENTING AND RECEIVING JESUS AS LORD, meaning MASTER. THE VERY MOMENT YOU ARE BORN AGAIN, when the Holy Spirit immersed us into the Spiritual Body of Christ..

 

[Rosemaryx]

I don't believe anyone is saved in this life time, Tho there are three tenses past, present. and future of salvation. We do not complete this process until resurrected with a spirit body which is what Christ speaks of in John 3 When we are born of the spirit we will BE spirit
Thanks for being civil No Name that's nice to see!

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
We are SAVED , NOT WILL BE SAVED...

 

[preacher4truth]

, Oh yes there was and is, the man denies every plain scripture there is and twists them to his heart's content. If he could admit a scripture means what it says it does that would really be refreshing but haven't seen one yet (that I can remember anyway)

Speaking of Scripture, why do you rarely use any?

But I digress. I asked you to tell us what a "being" is and what a "person" is since you reject this concerning God.

 

[mailmandan]

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
We are SAVED , NOT WILL BE SAVED..

Amen! For by grace you have been (past tense with ongoing present results) saved through faith..

 

[Suzy37]

Not really.

You twist it as much as he thinks you do.
If you could admit a scripture as to what means as well.

It's reciprocal but it gives you no excuse to assume "EG do you not have a Bible or read it?
Has EG asked you that question?
If so I'll respond to him as I have to you

So when he flat out right denies a vital scripture that comes straight from the Bible that's okay with you. Not with me. When you don't admit Acts 3: 28 means a Christian must repent and be baptized I sure wonder if he has a Bible or not! He has asked many offensive questions and statements , read the posts ! It is either extreme ignorance or a lie!

 

[Suzy37]

Speaking of Scripture, why do you rarely use any?

But I digress. I asked you to tell us what a "being" is and what a "person" is since you reject this concerning God.

Look at the posts you will see many but no I dont fill a page with scriptures like he does that prove nothing he is saying and quite often disproves himself.

 

[Suzy37]

Look at the posts you will see many but no I dont fill a page with scriptures like he does that prove nothing he is saying and quite often disproves himself.

 

[mailmandan]

So when he flat out right denies a vital scripture that comes straight from the Bible that's okay with you. Not with me. When you don't admit Acts 3: 28 means a Christian must repent and be baptized

You mean Acts 2:38 and in Acts 2:38, “for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

Compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

*In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47 - this is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion *when properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture* is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

 

[Rosemaryx]

So when he flat out right denies a vital scripture that comes straight from the Bible that's okay with you. Not with me. When you don't admit Acts 3: 28 means a Christian must repent and be baptized I sure wonder if he has a Bible or not! He has asked many offensive questions and statements , read the posts ! It is either extreme ignorance or a lie!

Where is Acts 3:28 ?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Where is Acts 3:28 ?

Ooh I see from Mailman you made a mistake...

 

[preacher4truth]

Look at the posts you will see many but no I dont fill a page with scriptures like he does that prove nothing he is saying and quite often disproves himself.

I've not witnessed you use Scripture.

3rd request:

I asked you to tell us what a "being" is and what a "person" is since you reject this concerning God.

Since you deny this about God, and are on here "teaching" others your doctrine, I want to see what your answer is. It may help you with your error here.

 

[Suzy37]

Look at the posts you will see many but no I dont fill a page with scriptures like he does that prove nothing he is saying and quite often disproves himself.

Speaking of Scripture, why do you rarely use any?

But I digress. I asked you to tell us what a "being" is and what a "person" is since you reject this concerning God.

I am not receiving all my posts and many are not going out when I reply Didn't see one abt a Being,

I am trying to show when EG calls the HS a male Being and the Bible says the HS overshadowed Mary and she became pregnant that is calling the HS Christ's father which it is not !The HS is God's power, force and Will not a sentient Being in a fictional Trinity having it's beginning in paganism . Nothing to do with person or Being

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Also when I am on my computer I can paste scriptures but doesn't do that on my tablet




I will try again to post this

 

[Suzy37]

Ooh I see from Mailman you made a mistake...

Hopefully I got that post up somewhere that disappeared and I started over again

 

[preacher4truth]

I am not receiving all my posts a...

One more time:

I asked you to tell us what a "being" is and what a "person" is since you reject this concerning God.

Can you just tell us you really don't know, haven't studied it out? If you do know, then answer.

 

[Suzy37]

1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:27 (HCSB)
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and individual members of it.

1 Peter 3:19-21 (NCV)
19 And in the spirit he went and preached to the spirits in prison
20 who refused to obey God long ago in the time of Noah. God was waiting patiently for them while Noah was building the boat.
Only a few people—eight in all—were saved by water.
21 And that water is like baptism that now saves you—not the washing of dirt from the body, but the promise made to God from a good conscience. And this is because Jesus Christ was raised from the dead.


Verse 21, in my opinion, is a the ONLY BAPTISM that SAVES IS NOT getting into a Baptistry, but REPENTING AND RECEIVING JESUS AS LORD, meaning MASTER. THE VERY MOMENT YOU ARE BORN AGAIN, when the Holy Spirit immersed us into the Spiritual Body of Christ..

Acts 2:38 tells us how it is to be done Repent, believe and be baptized tho I agree many are just dunked in water because of not repenting But even then we are not born again but begotten of God , a process of salvation to go until resurrection and born of spirit!

 

[Suzy37]

One more time:

I asked you to tell us what a "being" is and what a "person" is since you reject this concerning God.

Can you just tell us you really don't know, haven't studied it out? If you do know, then answer.

Never thought abt it that much, seems self evident, didn't I say a sentient Being like a human being? Could you call God and Christ a Being? I guess you could as they are spirit beings! But the HS is not a spirit Being, it is a force, God's force and His power , His mind . Is that what you want!

 

[preacher4truth]

Never thought abt it that much, seems self evident, didn't I say a sentient Being like a human being? Could you call God and Christ a Being? I guess you could as they are spirit beings! But the HS is not a spirit Being, it is a force, God's force and His power , His mind . Is that what you want!

Nope. I want you to study it out and if you do you will change your error above to being Biblical.

No need to get irate in the end of the above, we are not your enemies here, just trying to get you on the right path doctrinally.

What is a being? What is a person?

 

[Suzy37]

I've not witnessed you use Scripture.

3rd request:

I asked you to tell us what a "being" is and what a "person" is since you reject this concerning God.

Since you deny this about God, and are on here "teaching" others your doctrine, I want to see what your answer is. It may help you with your error here.

Only saw one my friend -look again !