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VCO when I have the Truth why would I look for false doctrine and errors. Evidently you think you are born again as a fleshly mortal man so I want none of that! Why would I put Gods Church out for you to try and tramp it underfoot? You would be much better off reading the Bible and believing what it says instead of reading all this pagan nonsense into the scriptures!



THE PROPHET YOU ARE FOLLOWING IS A FALSE PROPHET, I HAVE PROOF. HE HAS LEAD YOU ON TO THE WIDE ROAD THAT LEADS TO THE DESTRUCTION OF HADES/HELL. Please come back to the TRUE JESUS CHRIST!


John 3:2-7 (HCSB)
2 This man came to Him at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one could perform these signs You do unless God were with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water [He is comparing the break of water at naturual child birth,] and the Spirit [to the spiritual rebirth of the human spirit, and HE confirms it in the next verse.], he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.


1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized [immersed] into one body [Spiritual Body of CHRIST HIMSELF.], whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1 Peter 1:23 (HCSB)
23 since you have been [past tense] born again—not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.



YOUR PROPHET HAS TOLD YOU A LIE AND YOU BELIEVED IT, FLEE THAT CHURCH.

Find a Bible Teaching Church in you are, and you will have to get re-grounded in the WORD and relearn the Terminology Differences. Many FALSE DOCTRINES have been Taught by that FALSE PROPHET.

Here are some of the BIBLE TEACHING CHURCHES you man find in your area.
Ask that Pastor if they are a Conservative Evangelical type of Church, and if he says YES, then have a long conversation with him, and tell him where you are coming from, the exact Church you are fleeing.

{probably the town you live in, or another word ahead of it} . . . . . BIBLE CHURCH

. . . . . COMMUNITY CHURCH (.Title ahead of it may be like GRACE, etc., just ask if they are a Conservative Evangelical type of Church.)

Grace Brethren Church

Evangelical Free Church

{Independent or non-denominational} . . . . . Baptist Church



If you want to send me a private message, I can look up the Churches in your town, and recommend the ones to try.
 
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LOL

EG do you have a Bible? DO YOU EVER READ IT AT ALL? The NT is full of babtism and also the laying on of hands/ How can you deny this one?

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.


Repent and be baptized and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit! How will you twist this one? Going to be interesting to see that LOL!

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. D


I have no idea how anyone who has ever looked at these words can deny them. Whether you like it or not and whether you acknowledge it or not this is Gods instructions! He has laws which I know kills you and if you don't follow them you are not one of His people - hopefully someday you will be. To receive God's HS you have to be baptized and laying on of hands afterward! There is no" born again and I am saved "stuff here but a laid out Way OF Life.
Doctrine of Repentance, Faith, Baptism, laying on of hands ,Ressurections, and Eternal Judgment.
This was the Apostlic Church's doctrines and still are God's true Church's today !
You do realise there are many different types of baptism do you not? Baptism is not even a native english word

And yes, I have read. I have also learned to determine the difference between water baptism and holy spirit baptism. Have you?


Have you actually studied acts 2? It does not say what you think or have been taught it says.

laying on of hands, Again happened a few times.
 

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THE PROPHET YOU ARE FOLLOWING IS A FALSE PROPHET, I HAVE PROOF. HE HAS LEAD YOU ON TO THE WIDE ROAD THAT LEADS TO THE DESTRUCTION OF HADES/HELL. Please come back to the TRUE JESUS CHRIST!


John 3:2-7 (HCSB)
2 This man came to Him at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one could perform these signs You do unless God were with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water [He is comparing the break of water at naturual child birth,] and the Spirit [to the spiritual rebirth of the human spirit, and HE confirms it in the next verse.], he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.


1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized [immersed] into one body [Spiritual Body of CHRIST HIMSELF.], whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1 Peter 1:23 (HCSB)
23 since you have been [past tense] born again—not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.



YOUR PROPHET HAS TOLD YOU A LIE AND YOU BELIEVED IT, FLEE THAT CHURCH.

Find a Bible Teaching Church in you are, and you will have to get re-grounded in the WORD and relearn the Terminology Differences. Many FALSE DOCTRINES have been Taught by that FALSE PROPHET.

Here are some of the BIBLE TEACHING CHURCHES you man find in your area.
Ask that Pastor if they are a Conservative Evangelical type of Church, and if he says YES, then have a long conversation with him, and tell him where you are coming from, the exact Church you are fleeing.

{probably the town you live in, or another word ahead of it} . . . . . BIBLE CHURCH

. . . . . COMMUNITY CHURCH (.Title ahead of it may be like GRACE, etc., just ask if they are a Conservative Evangelical type of Church.)

Grace Brethren Church

Evangelical Free Church

{Independent or non-denominational} . . . . . Baptist Church



If you want to send me a private message, I can look up the Churches in your town, and recommend the ones to try.
EG I would like to believe you are an earnest but extremely misled person but you do too much twisting, you quote scripture that proves when born of the Spirit You are spirit and then either ignore or twist them.
If these churches believe what you do then by your example they are and have pagan based doctrines, I expect there are decent people in these churches but totally in error and I want no part of them at all I wont insult them but why would I to WANT TO GO TO error and wantoN sin (BREAKING OF GOD'S lAWS)

No Thanks!
 

Suzy37

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You do realise there are many different types of baptism do you not? Baptism is not even a native english word

And yes, I have read. I have also learned to determine the difference between water baptism and holy spirit baptism. Have you?

Have you actually studied acts 2? It does not say what you think or have been taught it says.

laying on of hands, Again happened a few times.
 

Studyman

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Evidence of a counterfeit gospel is, "I'm right and everyone else is wrong", only God can forgive sins and you deny the deity of Jesus Christ, how hypocritical can any one person be.

Turn back to the One and only True God
You must deflect and try to make this about me. But the truth is we are to "live by" Every Word of God. So the Word of God is right, but religious traditions of man that transgress God's Commandments are wrong.

John 6:
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

And again:

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

There is most certainly a counterfeit Gospel. It teaches doctrines and traditions which "Transgress the Commandments of God.

But the Word of God which became Flesh not only warns of this religion, but also says "MANY" will seek to enter eternity through it.

By the Grace of God I have escaped, along with a few others, and am warning the brethren to "Heed", not just a few scriptures which religious man has twisted to promote their tradition soaked religion, but to Heed EVERY Word of God.

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, (Which God before ordained that we should walk in them) where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

But they said, We will not walk therein.

Heb. 3:
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Unbelief in Greek = apeitheia disbelief, (obstinate and rebellious) :- disobedience, unbelief. { from the Greek word apeithes} "un-persuadable" contumacious (stubbornly disobedient : rebellious)
disobedient.

I have no religion to defend TT. No religious franchise to promote or religious traditions to defend.

I am "FREE" to study God's Word to show myself approved and to submit myself to HIS Righteousness not the religious doctrines and traditions of the land. What if the religious masses reject much of His Word like is Caleb's time, or even Jesus' time?

Well, that is the test isn't it.
 

Suzy37

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Oh yes I have read Acts many times and it still says the same thing , no born again baptism. WATER BAPTISM Happened every time for a Christian, if it didn't they were not a Christian, just fooling themselves Water baptism and spirit baptism - water baptism is required for a person to come under the blood of Christ- spirit baptism will happen at the resurrection, no born again stuff as Christ made clear- if you are born again of the spirit you are spirit and that's it!
 

Suzy37

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You must deflect and try to make this about me. But the truth is we are to "live by" Every Word of God. So the Word of God is right, but religious traditions of man that transgress God's Commandments are wrong.

John 6:
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

And again:

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

There is most certainly a counterfeit Gospel. It teaches doctrines and traditions which "Transgress the Commandments of God.

But the Word of God which became Flesh not only warns of this religion, but also says "MANY" will seek to enter eternity through it.

By the Grace of God I have escaped, along with a few others, and am warning the brethren to "Heed", not just a few scriptures which religious man has twisted to promote their tradition soaked religion, but to Heed EVERY Word of God.

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, (Which God before ordained that we should walk in them) where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

But they said, We will not walk therein.

Heb. 3:
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Unbelief in Greek = apeitheia disbelief, (obstinate and rebellious) :- disobedience, unbelief. { from the Greek word apeithes} "un-persuadable" contumacious (stubbornly disobedient : rebellious)
disobedient.

I have no religion to defend TT. No religious franchise to promote or religious traditions to defend.

I am "FREE" to study God's Word to show myself approved and to submit myself to HIS Righteousness not the religious doctrines and traditions of the land. What if the religious masses reject much of His Word like is Caleb's time, or even Jesus' time?

Well, that is the test isn't it.
 

VCO

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Everyone, that is a truly Born Again Christian, Please PRAY for Suzy37. You know as I do, the Wolves will come after her to drag her back, and one already has. I cannot make a decision for her, SHE has to do it on her own, repenting and Receiving JESUS CHRIST AS LORD. So pray that SHE will come to the TRUE JESUS CHRIST, and let the Holy Angels guard her from the vicious attacks from the Wolves.
 
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Oh yes I have read Acts many times and it still says the same thing , no born again baptism. WATER BAPTISM Happened every time for a Christian, if it didn't they were not a Christian, just fooling themselves Water baptism and spirit baptism - water baptism is required for a person to come under the blood of Christ- spirit baptism will happen at the resurrection, no born again stuff as Christ made clear- if you are born again of the spirit you are spirit and that's it!
Then you have not read it. Because it does not say water baptism saved. it says repent and you will be saved, and whoever is saved be batizred.

But hey, circumcision could not save the jews Yet they preached it, Satan now has people thinking water saves
 

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A lot of what you say here is true but you should be applying it to yourself. You are the false teacher here and denying God's Word in every way you can think of. Did you notice the definition of unbeliever contains disobedience ?- that is you! Totally disobedient to God's Word in so many ways None of God's law for you!

1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You cannot even know God if you don't keep His commandments

EG you keep mens traditions and in this case originating in paganism and not of God!

I don't know how you got so totally deceived but you are, usually there churches teaching this kind of stuff aren't there? If you came to this conclusion by yourself you are still wrong!

Wish you could see that but not yet I don't think !
 

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Everyone, that is a truly Born Again Christian, Please PRAY for Suzy37. You know as I do, the Wolves will come after her to drag her back, and one already has. I cannot make a decision for her, SHE has to do it on her own, repenting and Receiving JESUS CHRIST AS LORD. So pray that SHE will come to the TRUE JESUS CHRIST, and let the Holy Angels guard her from the vicious attacks from the Wolves.
 

Studyman

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Go take your self righteous ego somewhere else.

I'm angry at you because of your condoning attitude.
You say you wish to discuss but you have no intent to do so and when you do get a response you use it to put the person down and attack them without actually trying to see what they are saying.

That's why up until today I stopped responding to you.

But as from now no longer.

Anyway I forgive your condoning, sanctimonious, egotistical, put down, I'm better than you, your pretty boy Jesus the fake one attitude.

I will not hold it against you.
LOL,

"Anyway I forgive your condoning, sanctimonious, egotistical, put down, I'm better than you, your pretty boy Jesus the fake one attitude."
OK Billy, whatever you say. But all this still doesn't erase the fact that you preach "Jesus would say" obedience to God has no bearing in Salvation," when Jesus Himself exposes this preaching as a deception.

You forgive me for telling you the truth? And you have ignored my posts and refused to answer question since the first time we engaged. So you can go ahead and play the victim as if you are pure as the wind driven snow and I have never offered to have a discussion. But you and I both know this too, is a lie just like your statement that you won't hold "it" against me.
 

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DO YOU KNOW THAT COULD TURN THE WRONG WAY FOR YOU EG? HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED YOU ARE THE WOLF?
I welcome prayers from you all on these guidelines. only thing is there is no such thing as a born again Christian at this time (Biblically defined) but please pray anyway!

Thank You!
 
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NoNameMcgee

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A lot of what you say here is true but you should be applying it to yourself. You are the false teacher here and denying God's Word in every way you can think of. Did you notice the definition of unbeliever contains disobedience ?- that is you! Totally disobedient to God's Word in so many ways None of God's law for you!

1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You cannot even know God if you don't keep His commandments

EG you keep mens traditions and in this case originating in paganism and not of God!

I don't know how you got so totally deceived but you are, usually there churches teaching this kind of stuff aren't there? If you came to this conclusion by yourself you are still wrong!

Wish you could see that but not yet I don't think !
Do you believe it is your love for God you have to thank for salvation, or His love for you?


Also

5083. téreó
Strong's Concordance
téreó: to watch over, to guard​
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Definition: to watch over, to guard
Usage: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.


God's children (which includes EG) do keep His commandments​
 
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NoNameMcgee

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We work out of love for our Father who made us new and adopted us appart from our own efforts....not to gain or maintain a gift given already


oh goodness that would make the word "saved" so cheap

God could save someone that ends up in hell

even having already started good works in them

it would mean He failed them.....


He promised to never forsake His own

He promised no man can pluck His own from His mighty hands


personally i am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord

😆
 

BillG

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, Oh yes there was and is, the man denies every plain scripture there is and twists them to his heart's content. If he could admit a scripture means what it says it does that would really be refreshing but haven't seen one yet (that I can remember anyway)
Like Studyman you completely miss my point.
 

TruthTalk

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A lot of what you say here is true but you should be applying it to yourself. You are the false teacher here and denying God's Word in every way you can think of. "Did you notice the definition of unbeliever contains disobedience" ?- that is you! Totally disobedient to God's Word in so many ways None of God's law for you!

1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You cannot even know God if you don't keep His commandments

EG you keep mens traditions and in this case originating in paganism and not of God!

I don't know how you got so totally deceived but you are, usually there churches teaching this kind of stuff aren't there? If you came to this conclusion by yourself you are still wrong!

Wish you could see that but not yet I don't think !
Hi Suzy, so much condemnation of E-g, the gospel you post here is very questionable and you should not be throwing rocks at a mature Christian who loves our Savior dearly.

God bless!
 

TruthTalk

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DO YOU KNOW THAT COULD TURN THE WRONG WAY FOR YOU EG? "HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED YOU ARE THE WOLF?"
I welcome prayers from you all on these guidelines. only thing is there is no such thing as a born again Christian at this time (Biblically defined) but please pray anyway!

Thank You!
"HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED YOU ARE THE WOLF?" - (Seriously)
Again your words are so offensive E-g is a dear Child of God. You should absolutely consider a sincere apology to
E-g, honestly because your words are so so shameful.
 

BillG

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LOL,



OK Billy, whatever you say. But all this still doesn't erase the fact that you preach "Jesus would say" obedience to God has no bearing in Salvation," when Jesus Himself exposes this preaching as a deception.

You forgive me for telling you the truth? And you have ignored my posts and refused to answer question since the first time we engaged. So you can go ahead and play the victim as if you are pure as the wind driven snow and I have never offered to have a discussion. But you and I both know this too, is a lie just like your statement that you won't hold "it" against me.
Like you said to me Lol
 

Rosemaryx

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A lot of what you say here is true but you should be applying it to yourself. You are the false teacher here and denying God's Word in every way you can think of. Did you notice the definition of unbeliever contains disobedience ?- that is you! Totally disobedient to God's Word in so many ways None of God's law for you!

1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You cannot even know God if you don't keep His commandments

EG you keep mens traditions and in this case originating in paganism and not of God!

I don't know how you got so totally deceived but you are, usually there churches teaching this kind of stuff aren't there? If you came to this conclusion by yourself you are still wrong!

Wish you could see that but not yet I don't think !
Suzy...You are accusing my dear brother in Christ of many things , to say he is a false teacher is calling him a child of the devil , may God forgive you for your words that flow from your lips.

1 Peter 3:10 10 For, “Whoever would love life and see good days must keep their tongue from evil and their lips from deceitful speech.
Colossians 4:6 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.