IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then
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That is humorous. Soloman yes. The second temple no. They made the necessary clothing, jeweled chest plate, items used in the sacrifices, etc. They are preparing to do the same today. All physical preperations have been ready for years. Getting authorization to start building is the only thing left! While it is a secular nation the rabbis have tremendous clout. Visited there several times for work. Multi week visits. The longest was 6 weeks. Fell in love with falefal
That temporal holy place is used represent as shadow of the actual holy unseen place, the eternal not seen .
Blood as that seen the temporal is used as a metaphor in various parables. While the life of the flesh is in the blood that life is spiritual essence of life , The mercy seat as that seen is also set aside as holy to represent the unseen mercy of God.
They are not the Holy place but again point to it
God is not a man as us and neither is there a daysman (fleshly mediator) set between God not seen and man seen.
What you offered represents a ceremonial law as shadow used in ceremonies that speak of the suffering of Christ beforehand of the good things to come. Preaching the gospel. The eternal substance is found in Christ, not seen. We walk by faith and not by sight.
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The true Holy place is not seen . The kingdom of God is not of this world as that seen it represents that not seen .
Mount Sinai used to represent the kingdom of God not of this world was set apart as holy and set apart for a particular one time event . The dirt on that mountain is no different then the dirt set aside as holy on Mount Ebal to represent curse as the kingdoms of this world
Men turn the things seen into material for idol or image worship . Rachel was guilty of that. The Catholics have installed 3500 and rising worker with a familiar spirt in the holy Place of our father not seen There fore destroying the one man as to how we can reach the Holy place . its after the manner of Our Father in heaven not our brothers and sisters as saints in heaven called Patron saint as the abomination of desecration standing in the Holy Place .
The Holy place is not seen.
Mount Sinai used to represent the kingdom of God not of this world was set apart as holy and set apart for a particular one time event . The dirt on that mountain is no different then the dirt set aside as holy on Mount Ebal to represent curse as the kingdoms of this world
Men turn the things seen into material for idol or image worship . Rachel was guilty of that. The Catholics have installed 3500 and rising worker with a familiar spirt in the holy Place of our father not seen There fore destroying the one man as to how we can reach the Holy place . its after the manner of Our Father in heaven not our brothers and sisters as saints in heaven called Patron saint as the abomination of desecration standing in the Holy Place .
The Holy place is not seen.
You are ignoring the place in the Temple where the Ark of the Covenant was kept was called the Holy of Holies. It was behind the thick leather curtain that split when Jesus died on the cross.
There seems to be a lot of ignorance about several things in the Bible concerning the temple. I'm 74 and remember some from Sunday School when in high school. Also from reading he Bible and learning is special classes for becoming a deacon and later an elder.
This discussion concerning the temple is about the prophecy of the abomination causing desolation being done in the Holy Place. The Holy Place is the Holy of Holies in the temple to be built. Jews are in process of rebuilding the temple.
The Jews are all about ceremonial laws. To them it is a command from God since the law is from God and Jesus said the law is in place until the heavens and earth disappear.
Do you know the 613 laws scattered through the Torah?
There seems to be a lot of ignorance about several things in the Bible concerning the temple. I'm 74 and remember some from Sunday School when in high school. Also from reading he Bible and learning is special classes for becoming a deacon and later an elder.
This discussion concerning the temple is about the prophecy of the abomination causing desolation being done in the Holy Place. The Holy Place is the Holy of Holies in the temple to be built. Jews are in process of rebuilding the temple.
The Jews are all about ceremonial laws. To them it is a command from God since the law is from God and Jesus said the law is in place until the heavens and earth disappear.
Do you know the 613 laws scattered through the Torah?
Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
When Christ came he fulfilled all of the above. There is no such thing as a physical "holy place" any more.
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
When Christ came he fulfilled all of the above. There is no such thing as a physical "holy place" any more.
Hello YehovaYeshua,
First of all, your error here is the assumption that the gathering of the church immediately initiates the seven years, which it does not. Sometime after the church has been caught up, that ruler, the antichrist will establish his seven year covenant with Israel(Dan.9:27) and that is what initiates the seven years.
And secondly, it is your claim of "we would be able to calculate the exact date of Jesus's return" is correct and is one of the features which separates the appearing of the Lord to gather the church vs. the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. The gathering of the church is and has always been imminent. Believers are to continue to be watching and ready for the Lord's return because He will come like a thief in the night.
In opposition, prior to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, the church must be gathered, the seven year covenant with Israel must be established, the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place. And then shortly after the seventh bowl has been poured out, then the Lord will return.
The bottom line is that regarding the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, there are all kinds of signs that must take place which will allow believers on the earth during that time to know the approximate time by reading along in Revelation by counting off each seal, trumpet and bowl judgment. When the seventh angel pours out his bowl, the greatest earthquake to ever hit the earth since mankind has been on it will take place, causing the mountains and islands to disappear. The cities of the nations will collapse and there will be a great hail storm with hail weighing from 75 to 100 lbs. Once a person sees that event take place, then the sun and moon will be darkened and the stars (meteorites/asteroids) will fall to the earth and the inhabitants of the earth will see the Son of Man arriving on the clouds of heaven with great glory and will send out His angels to first gather the weeds and then the wheat.
First of all, your error here is the assumption that the gathering of the church immediately initiates the seven years, which it does not. Sometime after the church has been caught up, that ruler, the antichrist will establish his seven year covenant with Israel(Dan.9:27) and that is what initiates the seven years.
And secondly, it is your claim of "we would be able to calculate the exact date of Jesus's return" is correct and is one of the features which separates the appearing of the Lord to gather the church vs. the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. The gathering of the church is and has always been imminent. Believers are to continue to be watching and ready for the Lord's return because He will come like a thief in the night.
In opposition, prior to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, the church must be gathered, the seven year covenant with Israel must be established, the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place. And then shortly after the seventh bowl has been poured out, then the Lord will return.
The bottom line is that regarding the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, there are all kinds of signs that must take place which will allow believers on the earth during that time to know the approximate time by reading along in Revelation by counting off each seal, trumpet and bowl judgment. When the seventh angel pours out his bowl, the greatest earthquake to ever hit the earth since mankind has been on it will take place, causing the mountains and islands to disappear. The cities of the nations will collapse and there will be a great hail storm with hail weighing from 75 to 100 lbs. Once a person sees that event take place, then the sun and moon will be darkened and the stars (meteorites/asteroids) will fall to the earth and the inhabitants of the earth will see the Son of Man arriving on the clouds of heaven with great glory and will send out His angels to first gather the weeds and then the wheat.
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Very interesting fact....as a matter of fact we can say a miracle.....those in Luke looking up in fear and dropping dead from symbolic events that are not really happening..........Fearful sights in the heavens that are only SYMBOLIC and not really happening....WOW how could we not understand these events as real events and only symbolic.....the writers must be stupid, mistaken or were not inspired.....
You ignore that the religious Jews are going to build a third temple on the site of the original 2. That site has been excavated and there are videos and sites with evidence about it. I will attach information on this. It doesn't matter what us Christians believe but what the religious Jews believe. This is the flaw in your reasoning. I talk about the temple from descriptions in the Bible stating it contains a place behind the curtain called the holy of holies. This description is from the Bible. When the new temple is built this will be part of it.
Second temple location - where was it built
Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple
Destruction of the second temple
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48944036.html?tab=y#
Second temple location - where was it built
Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple
Destruction of the second temple
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48944036.html?tab=y#