Gospel Of Correction

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Noblemen

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Alot of what we hear today in Christianity is what I'll call the gospel of correction. The gospel that will straighten out the believer to make them pleasing to God.
If my Father decides I need correction and a whipping at times that is one thing. When man decides to clean Gods people up and tan their hide every time they meet, that is another.
I know people like a good beating every now and then, makes them feel like they have been to church.
Christians don't need beat they need to know who they are.
As a young Christian I attended some churches that would literally dangle you over hell for not following their doctrine.
The threat of hell was so strong as one man put it "you could feel the flames." I don't really get what the appeal is but people return time and again for the same abuse.
Maybe if you heard more of "you are complete in Christ and the Father put His seed in you the moment you believed," maybe just maybe, we would see gospel results that Christians are so hungry for.
The apostle Paul's message is that Christ in us will be taught to the soul and that we are going to express Christ in our daily lives.
The way God created you is the way Christ is going to come out of you.
That is the blessed liberty you and I have.
Some are going to be quite, and some going to be loud.
Regardless it is "Christ in you the hope of glory."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I agree, I grew up in a church where people in that church would go out. And judge sinners, telling them they have to STOP their sins, THEN maybe just maybe God will alow them in.

I am not sure where this idea came from. Because jesus did nto do this, He judged the religious self righteous, not the sinners, He came to save them, and offered them forgiveness, and the HOPE of being able to break the bonds of their sins.. He healed people while they were still ins in, then told them to go and continue in sin no more. He dod not make them stop sin, and prove they had stopped before he would heal them.

Legalism is a stain and poison to the church and to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
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While I agree that Christians need to be fed the Message of Love found in the Gospel of Christ, it is also necessary that they be taught about hell. It simply has to be done in a proper manner.......and not necessarily the old hell fire, brimstone way of days gone by.

Jesus Himself taught about this, and we should use His example I suppose.....Here's an Article from Billy Graham Ministries that may help others to understand......

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Yes, Jesus did talk about the reality of hell — in fact, He talked about it more than any other person in the Bible. He warned, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28).

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Did Jesus ever say anything about hell? I don't believe in ...

Be sure to read the Article to see why Jesus taught about hell
 
Lanolin

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Thats funny the churches I go to dont talk about hell because they assume everyone who goes is a born again believer. Hell is a warning to those who dont believe.

I think when evangelizing its important to mention what hell is. And that Jesus can forgive you for your sins so you dont need to go there!
 
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Lanolin said:
Thats funny the churches I go to dont talk about hell because they assume everyone who goes is a born again believer. Hell is a warning to those who dont believe.

I think when evangelizing its important to mention what hell is. And that Jesus can forgive you for your sins so you dont need to go there!
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Your church shouldn't assume.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If one is going through the bible teacng books of the bible, Hell is going to come up. If a pastor skips a passage because he is afraid of talking about hell, somethign is majorly wrong,

If (as so many churches) a pastor week after week, or month after month, has 20 minute sermonettes on hellfire and brimstone. Something is also majorly wrong, (I have been to these churhces where the same people who have been members for years are going. And everyone wondered why there was no christian growth) Well yoru not gong to have growth if all you preach on is hell.. and trying to get people to be sanctified by fear and self help..
 
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Yea, its a bit unbalanced. Its funny though the elders cant really tell the preacher what to preach though. Can we have more sermons on hell?
Sometimes the preacher will preach the same message over and over and you wonder where they get their sermons from...

In bibles in schools the teachers are actually not even allowed to talk about hell. If they talk about it and a child complains to a parent who doesnt believe the teacher may get in trouble with the school board and could lead to banning all the lessons.
Hell is not an easy topic to bring up. But its really important to know what Jesus is saving us from.

I find the presy church has this thing about assuming everyone who goes is 'elect' which probably stems from calvinism. Baptist churches dont assume, but then I find theres more phariseeim in baptist ones. I find they openly admit their clergy can be self-righteous. Im sure other churches focus on different things though, some are really into speaking in tongues so that everyone who doesnt feels a bit left out and questions their salvation.
 
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Lanolin said:
Yea, its a bit unbalanced. Its funny though the elders cant really tell the preacher what to preach though. Can we have more sermons on hell?
Sometimes the preacher will preach the same message over and over and you wonder where they get their sermons from...

In bibles in schools the teachers are actually not even allowed to talk about hell. If they talk about it and a child complains to a parent who doesnt believe the teacher may get in trouble with the school board and could lead to banning all the lessons.
Hell is not an easy topic to bring up. But its really important to know what Jesus is saving us from.

I find the presy church has this thing about assuming everyone who goes is 'elect' which probably stems from calvinism. Baptist churches dont assume, but then I find theres more phariseeim in baptist ones. I find they openly admit their clergy can be self-righteous. Im sure other churches focus on different things though, some are really into speaking in tongues so that everyone who doesnt feels a bit left out and questions their salvation.
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Presby churches don't assume everyone who goes is elect, yet none other than the elect are saved. They get this from the Bible, not "Calvinism."

The elect are mentioned in Romans 8:33 and following. The text is about the elect, applies to them, encourages them, edifies them, speaks to them, strengthens them, is solely for them. Therefore if we're going to claim being saved we need to claim this to be true because of being elected, otherwise Romans 8 does not apply to a person. Note also 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.

Jesus saved us from our sins, Matthew 1:21. Not going to hell is the bonus, not the main objective.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Noblemen said:
Why do you think we should teach Christians about hell?
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If I may, When a pastor is teaching a book of the bible should he skip the parts about hell? And if you think he should . Why?
 
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Noblemen

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eternally-gratefull said:
Did God put it in the bible?
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I'm not against preaching on hell, don't read me as such.
I'm just curious how Christians think teaching about hell is greater than learning the Christ in them.
What do you think about the Christ in you? If you have an opinion
 
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Noblemen

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eternally-gratefull said:
If I may, When a pastor is teaching a book of the bible should he skip the parts about hell? And if you think he should . Why?
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No I don't think he should, my personal feeling is there is a far deeper understanding for Christian's be taught from scripture.
An appeal should always be made to sinners to come to Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Noblemen said:
I'm not against preaching on hell, don't read me as such.
I'm just curious how Christians think teaching about hell is greater than learning the Christ in them.
What do you think about the Christ in you? If you have an opinion
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Ok, I did not think so. Was just tryign to clarify

I do not think any pastor to should teach 20 minute sermonettes of whatever he thinks God layed on his heart. I think all pastors should teach the word. Book by book (he does not have to do this in sequence) and teach the word as God gave it. This way he is not tempted to be teaching one subject to much, or focusing on things that really are not helping his flock. But hurting them, ( I have witnessed this to much in my younger days)

If the topic of hell comes up. Teach it, It is what God wanted us to learn.. if the topic of judgment cmes up. Teach it.. Don’t skip it.. God put it there for a reason. And you will not be judged as tryign to force your view when you do i tthis way, You teaching the book, as written (even though you may teach your interpretaion. It is still hard to judge your motive)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Noblemen said:
No I don't think he should, my personal feeling is there is a far deeper understanding for Christian's be taught from scripture.
An appeal should always be made to sinners to come to Christ.
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This is why pastors shuould teach books, not sermons.. (topical)

It is fine once in a while (like during the holidays doing topicals on the birth of Jesus and thanksgiving)
 
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Heaven or Hell is dependent on Jesus, so yes, they are relevant and worthy to be acknowledged, even as He, Himself, made them known. I agree with you, though, the consequences of Him, significant as they are, should never, not ever, become more elevated than Himself.
 
Lanolin

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preacher4truth said:
Presby churches don't assume everyone who goes is elect, yet none other than the elect are saved. They get this from the Bible, not "Calvinism."

The elect are mentioned in Romans 8:33 and following. The text is about the elect, applies to them, encourages them, edifies them, speaks to them, strengthens them, is solely for them. Therefore if we're going to claim being saved we need to claim this to be true because of being elected, otherwise Romans 8 does not apply to a person. Note also 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.

Jesus saved us from our sins, Matthew 1:21. Not going to hell is the bonus, not the main objective.
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Oh ok well I dont know why they talk about calvinism then as if its the greatest thing since sliced bread. I know Jesus, not calvin. We are chosen in Him i.e Jesus. The chosen(elect) ones were Israel from all the other nations because of the promise of God to Abraham. Via Jesus we are adopted into this chosen nation.
 
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