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a dead faith? well, I could just remember something similar to that ...when the apostles told Jesus that there were others preaching the gospel but were not Apostles and Jesus said something in the line of if they are preaching the right gospel it doesn't matter its just more people spreading the Gospel...I can look up the exact words if you want .. or you can..let me know if you need help with that.
He that is not with me is against me.....amen the power is in the message!!!
 

VincentG

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Oh it has been mentioned.....there is not a just man upon the earth that does doog and sins not.....exactly why we need the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith to stand justified before God!
and thats why -->
Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die.
 

VincentG

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He that is not with me is against me.....amen the power is in the message!!!
Matthew 6:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
 

Argueless

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a dead faith? well, I could just remember something similar to that ...when the apostles told Jesus that there were others preaching the gospel but were not Apostles and Jesus said something in the line of if they are preaching the right gospel it doesn't matter its just more people spreading the Gospel...I can look up the exact words if you want .. or you can..let me know if you need help with that.

...But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, Philippians 1:18

... As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26

DEAD AND WITHOUT POWER...CANNOT SAVE.

... But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. 1 Corinthians 4:19-20
 

VincentG

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...But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, Philippians 1:18

... As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26

DEAD AND WITHOUT POWER...CANNOT SAVE.

... But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. 1 Corinthians 4:19-20
As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26 There's a comma between the both I understand that the body without the spirit is dead in about two different ways...the other states as the the other scripture where the Samaritan seen a person lying in his path hurt and took him to the inn and gave some currency to help the man then said if you need more apply it to my account when I get back I will pay you..then another if you see someone cold and tell him to go and keep warm but don't give him anything such as a jacket..what good is that? Faith and works need to work together. But you are saying a dead faith ...it has my head circling around that either you have faith in the lord or you don't. Faith apart from knowing the word is diffrent..such as someone who has fallen but knows the word he can still pass his knowledge on to someone else..no credit to him he was probably under attack and fell...but he still knows the word.
 
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And a false gospel of faith plus works to secure, top off, embellish or finish salvation is not only false, has no power and equates the one peddling it to being cursed and all who believe it are fools and bewitched.....

Faith plus works for = lie, false and not of God!
 

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In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body emits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works (Ephesians 2:5-10).

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no resulting evidential works to validate his claim. That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

*So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple! (y)
 
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In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body emits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works (Ephesians 2:5-10).

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no resulting evidential works to validate his claim. That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

*So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple! (y)

Amen........except for the religionists, Cainologists and Pharisees that must devalue Christ by injecting self.....!
 

VincentG

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And a false gospel of faith plus works to secure, top off, embellish or finish salvation is not only false, has no power and equates the one peddling it to being cursed and all who believe it are fools and bewitched.....

Faith plus works for = lie, false and not of God!
cursed is anyone who preaches a gospel other than the one who the Apostles preached.
 

VincentG

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I would definitely die for my wife and my daughter.
I don't know who I would die for till the moment comes a preacher once told me a story that a man his son and his sons friend went out on a boat ride, it capsized and both children were drowning knowing that his son was saved and the other wasn't he saved the other boy and his son died..I know that might have been off course...but if I know I am dying for the Lord by doing what I think is in his will I could in any case and for anyone...but I would not die for something other..Jesus gives us Salvation and a place for us with him if we believe John 3:16 He also said do not fear the one who can destroy the body, but the one who can destroy the body and soul...I have everything to pick me up when I die for the Lord.
 

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And a false gospel of faith plus works to secure, top off, embellish or finish salvation is not only false, has no power and equates the one peddling it to being cursed and all who believe it are fools and bewitched.....

Faith plus works for = lie, false and not of God!
CAN a DEAD FAITH save?
 

VCO

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Another part of the story, is THEY WERE NOT KINGS. The Magi were HIRED to conduct the CORONATION CEREMONIES of most of the MID-EAST Kings. They were NOT KINGS, they were KING MAKERS.

Makes the Christmas song "WE THREE KING OF ORIENT ARE" a Joke.

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. . . . . . . . . . . . .This is a MYTH

REALITY was more like THIS:

 

VincentG

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... HE WILL PUNISH THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD AND DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS. THEY WILL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you. With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may count you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may fulfill every good purpose of yours and every act prompted by your faith. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-11

Who are those who DO NOTt KNOW God and DO NOT OBEY the Gospel of our LORD Jesus?

...We know that WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. 1 John 2:3-4

...They claim to know God, but BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16

...They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and DENY JESUS CHRIST our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.7 Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians5:6
you are setting scriptures up from unbelievers Jesus is Grace...and love that's why he came cause we could not keep the commandments God loves us read The core of the bible John 3: 16
 

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Another part of the story, is THEY WERE NOT KINGS. The Magi were HIRED to conduct the CORONATION CEREMONIES of most of the MID-EAST Kings. They were NOT KINGS, they were KING MAKERS.

Makes the Christmas song "WE THREE KING OF ORIENT ARE" a Joke.

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. . . . . . . . . . . . .This is a MYTH

REALITY was more like THIS:

Hi VCO, thanks for the Christmas info, I hope you are having a joyous celebration
 

tourist

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Another part of the story, is THEY WERE NOT KINGS. The Magi were HIRED to conduct the CORONATION CEREMONIES of most of the MID-EAST Kings. They were NOT KINGS, they were KING MAKERS.

Makes the Christmas song "WE THREE KING OF ORIENT ARE" a Joke.

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. . . . . . . . . . . . .This is a MYTH

REALITY was more like THIS:

Were they even 'wise men'?
 

tourist

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Another part of the story, is THEY WERE NOT KINGS. The Magi were HIRED to conduct the CORONATION CEREMONIES of most of the MID-EAST Kings. They were NOT KINGS, they were KING MAKERS.

Makes the Christmas song "WE THREE KING OF ORIENT ARE" a Joke.

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. . . . . . . . . . . . .This is a MYTH

REALITY was more like THIS:

Actually the bible does not mention the exact number of men that came to see Jesus only that it was obvious by the wording of the text that it was more than one.