Are there two gospels or ONE?
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The results are in: It seems that Christendom (or atleast this forum) is largely influenced by dispensational TV preachers and seminaries which pump out the pastors repeating this stuff.
Its a poor attempt to get away from repentance, because Paul preached the exact same holiness message as did Jesus. For all the free gift verses there are two Galatians 5:19-21s
Nobody before 1800s believed the gospels were only "for the jews" or a different gospel.
This is a MODERN INVENTION, wake up people, do some research on it. Absolutely made up modern american burger king theology, deception 101..
Its a poor attempt to get away from repentance, because Paul preached the exact same holiness message as did Jesus. For all the free gift verses there are two Galatians 5:19-21s
Nobody before 1800s believed the gospels were only "for the jews" or a different gospel.
This is a MODERN INVENTION, wake up people, do some research on it. Absolutely made up modern american burger king theology, deception 101..
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Paul did not teach a different version of the one Gospel, he taught how to live once you applied the one Gospel to your lives. So, there never was other gospels being preached, there was part 1 and part 2 of the same Gospel.
Part 1 being the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Christ
Part 2 being how to live abundantly and free of bondage because of the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Christ.
Part 1 being the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Christ
Part 2 being how to live abundantly and free of bondage because of the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Christ.
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Context is critical. Those words were spoken to the Jews who were looking for a conquering Messiah at the first coming of Christ. But that was not to be. However, the Kingdom of God will indeed be real, visible, and tangible on earth, when He comes the second time *with power and great glory*.
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: (Mt 25:31,32)
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: (Mt 25:31,32)
I have to agree (at least, with how you've worded this post!) 
Yes!
Again, a lot of this issue is cleared up when we ascertain "what" is said/proclaimed/preached "when"... and after "the Church which is His body" is raptured out, there will still be "good news preached in all the world" (who of us says the Matt26:13 thing when we witness??)... the difference will be in "who" does that specific preaching, and the fact that it will [then (future to our Rapture)] INCLUDE the NEARNESS of "the [MK] kingdom age [singular]" [known to be "NEAR" by WHAT they SEE (SEAL#1 and following!)] which is not the case "in this present [/evil] age [singular]" (distinct from "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" that the disciples were asking Jesus about, and He was answering in chpts 24-25). So considering this matter involves the what and the WHEN (in relation to what other things) and also the who of it, as spelled out in Scripture ("chronology" being a very BIG issue).
Yes!Again, a lot of this issue is cleared up when we ascertain "what" is said/proclaimed/preached "when"... and after "the Church which is His body" is raptured out, there will still be "good news preached in all the world" (who of us says the Matt26:13 thing when we witness??)... the difference will be in "who" does that specific preaching, and the fact that it will [then (future to our Rapture)] INCLUDE the NEARNESS of "the [MK] kingdom age [singular]" [known to be "NEAR" by WHAT they SEE (SEAL#1 and following!)] which is not the case "in this present [/evil] age [singular]" (distinct from "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" that the disciples were asking Jesus about, and He was answering in chpts 24-25). So considering this matter involves the what and the WHEN (in relation to what other things) and also the who of it, as spelled out in Scripture ("chronology" being a very BIG issue).
EDIT (to add to my last post):
Mark 13:29 [ylt] -
"so ye, also, when these ye may see [subjunctive] coming to pass, ye know [IMPERATIVE (a command)] that it is nigh, at the doors."
[note: this is NOT a "rapture" context or verse, but His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly MK--and the "see these things coming to pass" refers also to "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" which are parallel to the SEALS of Rev6 (and FUTURE to the 70ad events according to the Lk21 information!), which starts with the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3 at the ARRIVAL of the DOTL time period]," aka when "the man of sin be revealed" at the START of the 7-yr trib (not its middle or its end!), the "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" of Matt24:4/Mk13:5!] When they shall SEE that (that is, if they are paying attention, for some will not!) they are COMMANDED to "KNOW" that it is NEAR (His Second Coming to the earth [NOT our Rapture!--and wholly DISTINCT from explanations re: our Rapture!]).
It is often willful ignorance (not always) to say that Jesus STILL does not "know" (for that is this very thing that the LATER "Revelation of Jesus Christ" [book of Rev] DISCLOSES! Precise info regarding TIME-STAMPS throughout!)
Mark 13:29 [ylt] -
"so ye, also, when these ye may see [subjunctive] coming to pass, ye know [IMPERATIVE (a command)] that it is nigh, at the doors."
[note: this is NOT a "rapture" context or verse, but His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly MK--and the "see these things coming to pass" refers also to "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" which are parallel to the SEALS of Rev6 (and FUTURE to the 70ad events according to the Lk21 information!), which starts with the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3 at the ARRIVAL of the DOTL time period]," aka when "the man of sin be revealed" at the START of the 7-yr trib (not its middle or its end!), the "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" of Matt24:4/Mk13:5!] When they shall SEE that (that is, if they are paying attention, for some will not!) they are COMMANDED to "KNOW" that it is NEAR (His Second Coming to the earth [NOT our Rapture!--and wholly DISTINCT from explanations re: our Rapture!]).
It is often willful ignorance (not always) to say that Jesus STILL does not "know" (for that is this very thing that the LATER "Revelation of Jesus Christ" [book of Rev] DISCLOSES! Precise info regarding TIME-STAMPS throughout!)
Well, perhaps I should not have used the word "PARALLEL" (I meant, same phrase used ELSEWHERE besides the two passages I actually listed), meaning ALSO Matthew 10:7 -
10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of the heavens is at hand.
[this particular msg ceased being said at some point during His earthly ministry/first advent; only again during the future tribulation period will it again be true that it is "at hand" or "NEAR" (the promised AND PROPHESIED earthly Millennial Kingdom, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth, and pertaining to His "presence" THERE)]
10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of the heavens is at hand.
[this particular msg ceased being said at some point during His earthly ministry/first advent; only again during the future tribulation period will it again be true that it is "at hand" or "NEAR" (the promised AND PROPHESIED earthly Millennial Kingdom, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth, and pertaining to His "presence" THERE)]
Yes,i understand the sacrificial lamb.
Yes,through those things HE OBTAINED OUR SALVATION. It is also called redemption.
I am saying that some,myself included,got saved WITHOUT that knowledge.
Not that the massage is voided. Salvation can come with no message.
But all you are seeing is " the formula is the entire picture"
Jesus showing up is beyond a message.
Of course we preach the message.
That is obvious.
Jesus showing up ,manifesting in power is how I got saved.
Paul ,likewise, was saved in that same way
Yes,through those things HE OBTAINED OUR SALVATION. It is also called redemption.
I am saying that some,myself included,got saved WITHOUT that knowledge.
Not that the massage is voided. Salvation can come with no message.
But all you are seeing is " the formula is the entire picture"
Jesus showing up is beyond a message.
Of course we preach the message.
That is obvious.
Jesus showing up ,manifesting in power is how I got saved.
Paul ,likewise, was saved in that same way
At some point during Jesus' earthly ministry (first advent), "the kingdom of the heavens is at hand" ceased being said/proclaimed.
I believe "this gospel of the kingdom" (Matt24:14/26:13) is what will be being preached in all the world DURING the trib years (following the Rapture of "the Church which is His body") and that it necessarily involves the idea [surrounding] its [again] being immediately "at hand" (very soon to arrive and commence!), which is not what we are presently saying (recall, it involves "the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom" and involves Israel [and their participation] rather than their "blindness... UNTIL" [present] status). And that involves "when ye [speaking of the proleptic 'ye'] shall see all these things know that IT IS NEAR, even at the doors" ("IT" being the commencement of the earthly MK).
This is parallel to what I've stated regarding the SEQUENCE issues of Matt22:7-8 [verse 7 involving the 70ad events; verse 8 stating "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" paralleling the later Rev1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [Jesus], to SHEW UNTO His servants [Rev7:3 the 144,000 (for example)] things which must come to pass [4:1, the FUTURE aspects of the book] IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" not things transpiring over the past some 2000 years [parallel with the other "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" passages of Lk18:8 [chpt 17-end] /and Rom16:20, regarding "future things" [to us] not present things).
"The wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [also in Rev19:9] is the promised and prophesied earthly MK, and the "INVITATION" to THAT is given out DURING the trib years [FOLLOWING our Rapture; "the Church which is His body" will not be present on the earth during that time frame] (and is distinct from "the MARRIAGE" itself involving "the Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]" [Rev19:7; 2Cor11:2 also] ). "BLESSED are those [plural 'guests'] having been called/invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb" (again, this is the call [invitation] TO/FOR/ABOUT "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK commencing upon His "return" [see Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal!]) Presently, WE are asking ppl to be involved with "the MARRIAGE" itself.
I believe "this gospel of the kingdom" (Matt24:14/26:13) is what will be being preached in all the world DURING the trib years (following the Rapture of "the Church which is His body") and that it necessarily involves the idea [surrounding] its [again] being immediately "at hand" (very soon to arrive and commence!), which is not what we are presently saying (recall, it involves "the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom" and involves Israel [and their participation] rather than their "blindness... UNTIL" [present] status). And that involves "when ye [speaking of the proleptic 'ye'] shall see all these things know that IT IS NEAR, even at the doors" ("IT" being the commencement of the earthly MK).
This is parallel to what I've stated regarding the SEQUENCE issues of Matt22:7-8 [verse 7 involving the 70ad events; verse 8 stating "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" paralleling the later Rev1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [Jesus], to SHEW UNTO His servants [Rev7:3 the 144,000 (for example)] things which must come to pass [4:1, the FUTURE aspects of the book] IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" not things transpiring over the past some 2000 years [parallel with the other "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" passages of Lk18:8 [chpt 17-end] /and Rom16:20, regarding "future things" [to us] not present things).
"The wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [also in Rev19:9] is the promised and prophesied earthly MK, and the "INVITATION" to THAT is given out DURING the trib years [FOLLOWING our Rapture; "the Church which is His body" will not be present on the earth during that time frame] (and is distinct from "the MARRIAGE" itself involving "the Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]" [Rev19:7; 2Cor11:2 also] ). "BLESSED are those [plural 'guests'] having been called/invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb" (again, this is the call [invitation] TO/FOR/ABOUT "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK commencing upon His "return" [see Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal!]) Presently, WE are asking ppl to be involved with "the MARRIAGE" itself.
BOOOM!!! NICE!
Who are we to question? God gives the increase!! Thank God, we have this scripture! For it is written unequivocally!! Wherein ye stand!!!
1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
Unless ye have believed in vain!