Praying for the Unsaved
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Here is just part of your context, again. YOu are saying we should not lift up in prayer those who do not believe.
Stop following me around. I do not need your back-ánd-forth posting just to please your needs.
Either you believe God on praying for our enemies and those who are not yet believers, or yu do not.......context is simply a word, and words are printed or verbalizzed expressions of thos concepts. YOu seem to have your own set.
Have you lost your mind? I am not following you around. I quoted scripture IN CONTEXT for you to deny. Have at it.
I have only seen you quote scripture out of context…….You have denied God's Word as I have shared it with you contextually........
You brought u0p one example from the Old TEstament of a people who had turned on God, this is not saying we do not pray for our enemies and people who have not yet heard teh Word, and you know it.
Now, go pester someone else.
Just one example maybe?gee, yah know God plumb musta forgot to put each and every name of every individual who would ever grace this planet into an already pretty thick document
are you serious?
Acts 8.20-24 Simon was told to pray.
For the Arminian-these verses reinforce the truth. They show it. They show free will. Free will to sin, to repent, and to pray for forgiveness.
For the Calvinist-these verses are contrary to Calvin...Calvinism. They show free will. Free will to sin, to repent, and to pray for forgiveness!
Didn't he tell Peter the reason why? "That your faith fail not." Which means Peter already had faith in Jesus. That's another good example though.
True. But I don't think anyone is telling us to pray for others.At least that is not the purpose of the OP.
God always was and always will be, it is God's will and desire that all shall be saved, and that He heard such a prayer even before He created the universe and will certainly consider this prayer of salvation and answer it, and that includes a prayer of salvation for those that are supposedly lost and have died. Who really know what the last thoughts were of anyone who died except for God. It is best not to assume that a person is lost based on visual observations of a person's character and faith.
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15 KJV)
It does say 'among you' so it seems James is speaking to the Church and the 'save' in context appears to be physical healing. Another good attempt though.
This is true we do need to pray that the Lord send 'harvesters', but still falls short of praying for an individual's salvation.
What I mean is, that a Calvinist will just say harvesters are needed to reach the 'elect'. etc.
The thing about praying for the lost in scripture is that the entire Word of God is not yet known. In John's vision in Revelation he was told not to write down what the 7 thunders said. Also, Paul had a vision in which He was told not to tell certain things. When the woman caught in adultery was about to be stoned Jesus did some writing on the ground with His finger. Who knows what He wrote? One day all of these things will become known. Every word in the bible is true and reliable as it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. The circumstances I wrote about are part of the Word of God also and may change the whole dynamic of salvation as it is currently perceived and understood. Praying for the lost may not be specifically referred to in the bible but perhaps it can be implied, especially so when the entire Word of God is made known for then it will be specific one way or another, and who lives and who dies.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and [in] the bond of iniquity. Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me. (Acts 8:20-24 KJV)
Perhaps a good example except it is Simon asking Peter to pray for him. It would lso be questionable whether Simon was already saved at that point since earlier...
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. (Acts 8:13 KJV)
How bout, 1 Timothy 2:1-8?
.... prayers.... that all men might be saved....... therefore I desire that men pray everywhere.......
Didn't c your response to this one #25? Sorry you got me searching, just throwing things out there for u to judge!
Since God is not willing that any should perish, do you think Jesus would follow up on your advice and pray for all, even those who have died? That gets a little too close to universalism for my taste.
More of the word is already known than most let on. The Catholics and then the Protestant Reformers have been duped into believing half truths and outright lies. They place such zeal behind their erroneous teachings the whole world is deceived. You get walls and walls of scripture references that do nothing but obscure God's truths. Start obeying the Lord and He will open your eyes.
I seem to be just throwing things out there for us to search and thinkDidn't c your response to this one #25? Sorry you got me searching, just throwing things out there for u to judge!
, nothing to get riled up over.