You know your cntext is a little bit screwy. What happened to go out and preadh the Gospel to the ends of the earth………?
Reading the context is what I'm about........and context is that God is telling HIS people not to lift up those outside the faith, unbelievers.
Here is just part of your context, again. YOu are saying we should not lift up in prayer those who do not believe.
Stop following me around. I do not need your back-ánd-forth posting just to please your needs.
Either you believe God on praying for our enemies and those who are not yet believers, or yu do not.......context is simply a word, and words are printed or verbalizzed expressions of thos concepts. YOu seem to have your own set.
Have you lost your mind? I am not following you around. I quoted scripture IN CONTEXT for you to deny. Have at it.
Just one example maybe?gee, yah know God plumb musta forgot to put each and every name of every individual who would ever grace this planet into an already pretty thick document
are you serious?![]()
Acts 8.20-24 Simon was told to pray.I know instinctively that we are to do so, but can any one point me out an example in Scripture where there is prayer for the unsaved.. for their salvation, or an injunction to pray for the unsaved that they may be saved?
Extra Credit-
For the Arminian...Wouldn't a salvation prayer intefere with the free wiil of the lost?
For the Calvinist... Wouldn't a salvation prayer intefere with God's sovereign choice?
Didn't he tell Peter the reason why? "That your faith fail not." Which means Peter already had faith in Jesus. That's another good example though.Yes when Jesus prayed for Peter who was going astray. Because satan was sifting him for wheat. He actually told Peter he was praying for him.
See Luke 22:31-32
Also note that Jesus prayed for Peter's conversion.
True. But I don't think anyone is telling us to pray for others.At least that is not the purpose of the OP.No one in this thread who loves Jesus needs to be told to pray for others…...No one..
True, but what about a specific individual?Also Paul says in Romans 10:1 that he prays for Israel that they may be saved. It is his hearts desire!
God always was and always will be, it is God's will and desire that all shall be saved, and that He heard such a prayer even before He created the universe and will certainly consider this prayer of salvation and answer it, and that includes a prayer of salvation for those that are supposedly lost and have died. Who really know what the last thoughts were of anyone who died except for God. It is best not to assume that a person is lost based on visual observations of a person's character and faith.I know instinctively that we are to do so, but can any one point me out an example in Scripture where there is prayer for the unsaved.. for their salvation, or an injunction to pray for the unsaved that they may be saved?
Extra Credit-
For the Arminian...Wouldn't a salvation prayer intefere with the free wiil of the lost?
For the Calvinist... Wouldn't a salvation prayer intefere with God's sovereign choice?
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15 KJV)Oh and James 5:15 as well.
It is both God's will and desire that all shall be saved.It is God's desire that all souls be saved…….
This is true we do need to pray that the Lord send 'harvesters', but still falls short of praying for an individual's salvation.Also Jesus said to pray for more labourers for the harvest too. So pray continually at all times. People really need to read their new testaments all over again. If we not praying, we cant do anything.
The thing about praying for the lost in scripture is that the entire Word of God is not yet known. In John's vision in Revelation he was told not to write down what the 7 thunders said. Also, Paul had a vision in which He was told not to tell certain things. When the woman caught in adultery was about to be stoned Jesus did some writing on the ground with His finger. Who knows what He wrote? One day all of these things will become known. Every word in the bible is true and reliable as it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. The circumstances I wrote about are part of the Word of God also and may change the whole dynamic of salvation as it is currently perceived and understood. Praying for the lost may not be specifically referred to in the bible but perhaps it can be implied, especially so when the entire Word of God is made known for then it will be specific one way or another, and who lives and who dies.I was hoping for scriptures specifically telling us to pray for the salvation of a lost person, or an example of someone doing so.
Acts 8.20-24 Simon was told to pray.
For the Arminian-these verses reinforce the truth. They show it. They show free will. Free will to sin, to repent, and to pray for forgiveness.
For the Calvinist-these verses are contrary to Calvin...Calvinism. They show free will. Free will to sin, to repent, and to pray for forgiveness!
How bout, 1 Timothy 2:1-8?
.... prayers.... that all men might be saved....... therefore I desire that men pray everywhere.......![]()
Since God is not willing that any should perish, do you think Jesus would follow up on your advice and pray for all, even those who have died? That gets a little too close to universalism for my taste.God always was and always will be, it is God's will and desire that all shall be saved, and that He heard such a prayer even before He created the universe and will certainly consider this prayer of salvation and answer it, and that includes a prayer of salvation for those that are supposedly lost and have died. Who really know what the last thoughts were of anyone who died except for God. It is best not to assume that a person is lost based on visual observations of a person's character and faith.
The thing about praying for the lost in scripture is that the entire Word of God is not yet known. In John's vision in Revelation he was told not to write down what the 7 thunders said. Also, Paul had a vision in which He was told not to tell certain things. When the woman caught in adultery was about to be stoned Jesus did some writing on the ground with His finger. Who knows what He wrote? One day all of these things will become known. Every word in the bible is true and reliable as it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. The circumstances I wrote about are part of the Word of God also and may change the whole dynamic of salvation as it is currently perceived and understood. Praying for the lost may not be specifically referred to in the bible but perhaps it can be implied, especially so when the entire Word of God is made known for then it will be specific one way or another, and who lives and who dies.
I seem to be just throwing things out there for us to search and thinkDidn't c your response to this one #25? Sorry you got me searching, just throwing things out there for u to judge!![]()