Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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Marcelo

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The answer is in John 8:46

Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?

The yardstick for holiness in Jesus' day was the law of Moses. He was not guilty of any sin because He kept the Law perfectly.
 

JaumeJ

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To the Title only: If you translate the word Jew, that is the root of the word, Judah, you will learn al who praise God are doing what the name states praising God,. So, all who truly believe are Jews by their action, not by the bloodling. So which impresses all more being of the Spirit or of the bloodline of one of the tribes of Israel.

Jesus Christ- King of the Jews.

He is my King; is He yours?
 

John146

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No,the question is did the HOLY SPIRIT write it,no matter my opinion of it.

See,that is the ROOT of our differences.

You got to go back,back,back ......to the root.
The root is your/my starting place.

"......all scripture.......inspired......"

If it is some abstract,like you say,then we can treat it with that attitude.

If it is word for word from heaven,to me, it is priceless and precious.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, red and black letters.:)

Now, answer my question please. Is that passage written TO you or FOR you?
 
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Example:

OT - eye for an eye (Law)
Gospels - turn the other cheek (kingdom of heaven, Millennium)
Paul's letters - if it's possible live at peace, sometimes it's not possible, self defense (Church Age)
The church age started at JTB and Jesus's baptism.
(The equivalent of moses coming down from the mountain)
The new covenant started at the Jordan.
The new covenant sealed and ratified by innocent blood,the cross.

Like i said before,without UNDERSTANDING of the priesthood,you positively can not understand the nt.
 
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Through misunderstanding some place the gospels in the ot,and the bible as partly inspired,with the remainder like a poison to run from
 
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All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, red and black letters.:)

Now, answer my question please. Is that passage written TO you or FOR you?
All 66 books written TO ME and so much so,it is as like if i was the only one left on the planet it would be 100% to me only.
 

John146

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The church age started at JTB and Jesus's baptism.
(The equivalent of moses coming down from the mountain)
The new covenant started at the Jordan.
The new covenant sealed and ratified by innocent blood,the cross.

Like i said before,without UNDERSTANDING of the priesthood,you positively can not understand the nt.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God....the NT did not begin until the death of the testator. Trust the Scriptures over your bible study group.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


The NT is not in force while Christ was alive. His death was necessary for the NT to be in force. Do you see that? Verse 16?
 

TheDivineWatermark

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"To the 7 churches....."
To be completely fair, the word "churchES" is not entirely identical [in designation] with that of the phrase "the Church which is His body". ;)

During the future tribulation period, there will still be "churchES" present on the earth, whereas "the Church which is His body" will not be present there.
 
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I don't see " to me/for me"

It is Gods book. A supernatural book.

It is awesome and I am awestuck by it.

I recently recieved revelation concerning the geneologies of the men/women of the bible. The begats.

They were put there for a reason.

The bible authenticates irself. It vibrates with power. It is LIVING, and alive.
It exudes a fragrance and power. It is life to some,and death to others.
It turns born again believers into radical Jesus freaks.
 

John146

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All 66 books written TO ME and so much so,it is as like if i was the only one left on the planet it would be 100% to me only.
Then the direction God has given in Leviticus you need to apply to be in fellowship with the Lord. Literally, you need to make the appropriate sacrifices whenever you transgress the Law.

99.9% of believers understand that it is written FOR us to learn what God was doing with Israel under the law, and not TO us as direction we are literally to follow.

TO us = we are to literally follow to be in right fellowship with the Lord. aka doctrine
FOR us = the directions given by God are TO someone else in a different time period under different circumstances.
 
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Study to shew thyself approved unto God....the NT did not begin until the death of the testator. Trust the Scriptures over your bible study group.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


The NT is not in force while Christ was alive. His death was necessary for the NT to be in force. Do you see that? Verse 16?
The bible says the law and the prophets were until John.

You van keep your Juvenile comments about my knowledge since you cant understand the priesthood changed at jesus baptism.

I said it STARTED THERE.
RATIFIED AT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD.

IT IS YOU THAT SHOULD LISTEN.
I know what i am talking about.
 
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Then the direction God has given in Leviticus you need to apply to be in fellowship with the Lord. Literally, you need to make the appropriate sacrifices whenever you transgress the Law.

99.9% of believers understand that it is written FOR us to learn what God was doing with Israel under the law, and not TO us as direction we are literally to follow.

TO us = we are to literally follow to be in right fellowship with the Lord. aka doctrine
FOR us = the directions given by God are TO someone else in a different time period under different circumstances.
Word games.
I can write a letter TO someone about another person.

Try and get out of that silly box
 
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To be completely fair, the word "churchES" is not entirely identical [in designation] with that of the phrase "the Church which is His body". ;)

During the future tribulation period, there will still be "churchES" present on the earth, whereas "the Church which is His body" will not be present there.
Uh,go back and read it.

It says church
 
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Okay, but your point is not addressing mine, its a totally different argument.

I am saying, in John 3:16 when John wrote "believe in him", John is most likely referring to "believing in Jesus as the Son of God". I am trying to argue why that is the correct interpretation from the context of what John said later on to the readers, on why he wrote the Gospel of John.

He did not meant. as Paul did, "believe in Jesus's death, burial and resurrection". We are reading that because we had the benefit of growing up with Paul's letters, so we read that meaning into John 3:16.

Are you disagreeing with that claim?
Paul preached Jesus 1st the testimony as to what he did 2nd.
 
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The answer is in John 8:46

Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?

The yardstick for holiness in Jesus' day was the law of Moses. He was not guilty of any sin because He kept the Law perfectly.
In Jesus' day the law was supreceeded.
" you have heard it is written...."

"But i say...."

" unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisee...."

Then we see him breaking the sabboth and laws of washing.
 

Marcelo

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The over examination of the "who is it to" is a marvelous way out of the word being made alive for the born again saint. Under the "who is it to" wild card I am now erased from accountability to the words and commands of the Holy Spirit. IOW a sure fire formula to miss out on truth which is the entire word,not sectional favorites as my base.
Your concern is not without merit and if I were a pastor I wouldn't teach "Jesus vs. Paul" overnight. Christians who have always believed that the words of the earthly Jesus supersede the words of the risen Jesus (for salvation purposes) will need time to absorb the truth.
 

Marcelo

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In Jesus' day the law was supreceeded.
" you have heard it is written...."

"But i say...."

" unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisee...."

Then we see him breaking the sabboth and laws of washing.
No, this doesn't mean that Jesus and His disciples had already been freed from the Law. When the Lord says "it was written ..., but I say"
He is expounding the Law, not making it obsolete.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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And you would both be wrong.
It says in the bible
" the law and the prophets were until John"
So this verse ^ is in Luke 16:16.

John the Baptist is said to be dead in Luke 9:9.

I'm trying to ascertain your points, here.

Oh, and remember what I'd put about Jesus and His being "a Prophet like unto Moses" in His earthly ministry (BEFORE His death, Acts 3:22[26])… meaning, "a Prophet" indeed came after JtB, right?

Even without that verse it is a no brainer that the gospels are NOT part of the ot.

The reason lies at Jesus's baptism.
That is another study, ( the priesthood).


You can not understand the gospels or any of the nt w/o the priesthood.
Are you suggesting that Melchisedec was baptized in water? (just trying to figure out what you mean exactly)
 

TheDivineWatermark

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[continuing my post]

Luke 7 [regarding John the Baptist] -

26 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.


Acts 18:25-26 -

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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In Jesus' day the law was supreceeded.
" you have heard it is written...."
"But i say...."
" unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisee...."

Then we see him breaking the sabboth and laws of washing.
Acts 7 -

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.